Women and non-Muslims

Matouf

New Member
First, my english isn't my first language and so I appologise in advance for my mistakes.

I am not a Muslim, I am in fact not religious at all. I don't intend to provoke. I have several questions about Islam, though, as reality (unfortunately) urges me to deal with your religion in my own country. I admit, I have a very negative opinion about Islam. Nevertheless, I am willing to clarify maybe just misunderstandings or simply to get answers to my several questions about Islam. I hope you help me to get these answers. Thank you in advance.


My first question I have is following: Can anyone explain me please, how come - if Islam really is that good and just - that in ANY Islamic country in ths world, women and non-Muslims don't enjoy equal rights? Or do they all just misinterprete Islam?
 

BigAk

Junior Member
My first question I have is following: Can anyone explain me please, how come - if Islam really is that good and just - that in ANY Islamic country in ths world, women and non-Muslims don't enjoy equal rights? Or do they all just misinterprete Islam?

Yup... You have answered your own question above... There is not a country in the world today that draws upon the true Islam as it was during the days of Muhammad (pbu) and his immediate disiples afterwards. Other words, do not make the mistake of evaluating Islam by the current actions of its followers; you will surly and easily find an ugly picture. On the other hand, you will find many many true muslim people among us who practice correctly. Those are the ones you need to observe. I try my best to be as good as they are and continuously ask Allah for His guidance and help.

BTW.. Welcome to our community. We are delighted to have you and answer any misconception that you may have. But, we ask you to work with us by trying hard to open your mind and heart and remove all the pre-programmed prejudice that your society has implanted in you.

Welcome.. :D

Ak
 

BigAk

Junior Member

I loved the answer given on this link... If you don't mind I would like to post it on here for everyone to see.. Jazak Allah Khair.

Hello,

I don’t have faith in any religion and I don’t believe there is something like a god. But I’m, however, very interested in religions and different ways of life. I want to learn about and respect how people live all over the world. I live in Sweden, a western Christian country and I don’t think that our lifestyle is the best or the only one.

Our society has come far in erasing the differences in social treatment between males and females. Islam is very often, or always, referred to as a religion that doesn’t respect females whatsoever. As far as I know, Islam men treat women with no respect, beat them, oppress them and sometimes kill them!

Personally, I don’t think that there should be any differences between how we treat men and woman. I believe that woman have the exact, same, rights as I and should be respected doing whatever she wants with her life.

BUT! I also understand that what I have learned to believe can’t be 100% right. My sense tells me something else than TV and newspapers. Please give me your view on the relation between men and woman. Let me know how Islam thinks and acts in this matter.

I would like to be free from prejudices, but it’s not easy in a world full of that!

Thank you very much.

The answer by some female sister is:

Hello Jacob,

Thank you for your attitude, which is free from prejudice.

I do agree with you that many images of Islam have been dreadfully and deliberately distorted by hostile mass media, especially after September the 11th. As for this image of women in Islam, actually it has been the target of the western spears and arrows, long before that time! This is not only due to prejudice, but also due to the ill practices of ignorant Muslims, which validate such a negative image.

I do not think it is worthy to tell you about the aspects of equality, between the two genders, either in the way they were created or their rights and duties towards God, since you don't believe in Him. Let me focus then on the aspects of equality in our materialistic world.

First, you have set a contrast between the Swedish society, as a model of respecting women, in opposition to Islam, which you have heard about to encourage people to kill them! I dare say that your society and many of the Islamic societies suffer from the same dilemma of the gap between paradigm and practice.

Considering paradigms, the Islamic law is not less respecting for women than any other liberal constitution, if indeed it is not more respecting! But when it comes to practice, I don't think that the Swedish or any other western society is any less than many Islamic societies in the rate of violence against women, which is only one symptom of the general violence syndrome, recently spreading in people's lives, due to factors, which are the target of sociological studies. I have a valid study for the high rate of violence against women even in the family in Sweden regardless of the strict rules that "dictate" respect for women. For details please click:

http://www.google.com/search?lr=lan...against+women&hl=en&inlang=ar&ie=windows-1256

This validates the fact that the law itself is not enough, unless there is an inherent power in people to respect this law. This inherent power, we - the religious people – define as ‘piety’ or ‘God love and fearing’. Therefore, the problem is with the practice and not with the law either in Islam or any other culture.

This value of mutual respect amongst humans is a keynote to the Islamic moral code. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

‘A Muslim would neither abuse nor speak bad words to, nor curse others.’ (Sahih Muslim)

Also, he always stressed the fact that men should treat their women in a fair way and never to use violence in dealing with them. He said:

‘Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbors. And I command you to take good care of the women.’ (Bukhari)

Even when women misbehave, tolerance and not violence is recommended, as a way to solve the problem. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

‘No believing man should hate a believing woman, if he hates one of her manners, he should be satisfied with another.’

The same meaning is repeated in a heavenly advice for husbands through the Qur'an - the holy book of Muslims – that says:

... live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.


Surah 4 Verse 19

Again, the Prophet (pbuh) stressed this meaning, saying:

‘The believers who have the best manners are those who have the most perfect faith. The best amongst you are the best towards their wives.’ (Tirmidhi)

He also criticized those who misbehave towards women saying:

‘Many women come to Muhammad's family members to complain about their husbands, those men are not the best amongst you.’ (Ibn Magah)

As a matter of fact, The Prophet was keen to make a model example of himself in treating women. His beloved wife 'Aisha narrated that he used to make a running competition with her! When she was newly married and still slim, she used to win. Then, after many years, she became fatter and thus he won. He used to taunt her saying: ‘this for that’ - meaning to revenge his earlier loss!

These are but few glimpses of how women should be treated in Islam. This image has been neglected by some Muslims, which paved the way for the enemies to deliberately take their example as the established law of Islam, concerning women.

You mentioned that in Sweden men and women are equal - a fact that you should be proud of - but I believe that they are not equal to the extent and degree, which Islam gave us, as Muslim women! For example, the husband should not share the money or assets that a Muslim woman possesses, either through inheritance or from her work. He doesn't have any claim on any part of it, which is opposite to many Western constitutions that give the husband a claim on his wife's wealth!

On the other hand, while husbands are not obliged to sustain their wives in western family laws, the Muslim wife is exempted from spending her income - however big it is - on the family unless she would like to help in a voluntary way. This is while the husband is asked to sustain her fully, regardless of her wealth. If he doesn't do it, it becomes a reason for her to get a divorce.

Those who are hostile towards Islam like to play on the rule that men and women are not equal in the way they inherit; the brother inherits more than his sister! Well… this is true, for a very simple reason that it is obligatory in Islam that the male member of the family should be responsible for sustaining all female members, either the wife, the mother or even the unmarried sisters. If he doesn't fulfill this obligation out of his free will, he should be forced by the power of law. This is while the sister takes her share to spend on her own interest. Thus, the matter is perfectly balanced.

Another important point, is that the Islamic law grants the woman the right to get divorce if, simply, she is not happy in her marriage! This advantage is not granted to western women, without many legal complications resulting from the gap between civil and church laws.

There are so many other examples of this Islamic equity, between the two genders, in all fields of life such as labor laws, criminal laws… etc. Also, what distinguishes the Islamic concept of equality, between the two genders, from other constitutions, is that it respects the biological differences between men and women. An example is the respect of the woman's need to spare a certain stage of her life for her role as a mother.

Thus, in my country, as well as many Islamic countries, new mothers get fully paid long maternal leaves, which I know do not exist in western societies. Also women have their own separated sections in public transportation to avoid sexual harassment, that if they choose to use it, not obligatory. In fact, examples are endless and can never be summed up in this brief answer.

I hope this answer is satisfying. Thank you again for your interest and I hope to hear from you again.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Welcome to TTI. I am the oldest female on this forum. And I enjoy my status very much. I make the choice to be Muslim every day. I thank Allah subhana talla that He has made me Muslim. I have battled women's rights here in the States. I have battled civil rights. I have fought for the rights of all oppressed people..I still do. I write this to simply let you know I make the choice of being a Muslim woman because it is my freedom. Islam is the perfection of religion thus I am able to practice my faith as a human being. I find questions like yours to be very elementary. They result from a lack of knowledge coupled with years of pumped propaganda. I write this because the concept of freedom has little to with your question. Freedom is a construct that can not be delineated into social norms. Freedom and equality are beyond simple phenomenological perspectives. One has to dive deeper into the realm of human development and spirituality.
It is impossible to answer your question. You ask a global question. Restate what it is exactly that you wish to have answered. It is futile to engage in debates when your perspective is ridden with answers and you wish to prove yourself right. I say this because should you want correct answers you will be patient with my brothers and sisters.
I do thank you for taking the time to read my response. Insha'Allah we will be able to satisfy your questions in a correct and respectable manner.
 

Matouf

New Member
Hello again to everyone who participated already in this thread and welcomed me!

Yup... You have answered your own question above... There is not a country in the world today that draws upon the true Islam as it was during the days of Muhammad (pbu) and his immediate disiples afterwards.Ak
Hm, I honestly didn't mean my last sentence seriously when asking "if they all just misinterprete Islam?", lol. But - as honest and good your answer was meanted, it left me quite helpless, though. How can I come to a prejudiced-free opinion if I don't know what the "true" Islam is about? Maybe modifying my question helps:

Would women and non-Muslim enjoy equal rights under a true Islam? What exactly would be different to how they are treated right now in Islamic countries?
 

BigAk

Junior Member
My first question I have is following: Can anyone explain me please, how come - if Islam really is that good and just - that in ANY Islamic country in ths world, women and non-Muslims don't enjoy equal rights? Or do they all just misinterprete Islam?

Sister mirajmom has vast knowledge with regards to your question based on her experiences over the years.. I can't touch her or come near her wisdom. We are greatful for having her.

On a seperate note; something just popped in my head and I wish that you; Matouf may be able to reflect on this. I find that many western women easily attack the muslim based cultures; hence blame the religion itself which is innocent of the people's actions. But, I wonder:

1) Does it ever come to you that almost 99.9% of the por*ography comes from those same western Christian societies?? Strip clubs are abundant in every city in the US and Europe; yet they are considered Christian societies.

2) Do you view this as equality of women among their men peers??

3) How can this be viewed as equality to women as they have become slaves to men's sexual desires that it has become the norm??

4) How much abuse, corruption and loss of human rights these same women are being subjected to by selecting such life style?? not to mention the crime, drugs, homocide, and suicide associated wth such life style.

5) If you consider that the dominant faith of these western societies is Christianity, how come no finger is being pointed at these Christian women and their equality under such western Christian societies?? Yet, these same Christian women are too quick at pointing their fingers at the muslim covered (by choice) woman and judging "she must have lost all her rights."

6) Do you really feel that women in the western Christian socioties are treated fairly and equally??

7) Is it fair to blame Christianity by the actions of these Christian westerners?

I would love to hear your answers.

Respectfully,
Ak

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BigAk

Junior Member
Hello again to everyone who participated already in this thread and welcomed me!

Hm, I honestly didn't mean my last sentence seriously when asking "if they all just misinterprete Islam?", lol. But - as honest and good your answer was meanted, it left me quite helpless, though. How can I come to a prejudiced-free opinion if I don't know what the "true" Islam is about? Maybe modifying my question helps:

Would women and non-Muslim enjoy equal rights under a true Islam? What exactly would be different to how they are treated right now in Islamic countries?

Still unclear.... Maybe we're talking on two differnet subjects here..

You are asking "Would women and non-Muslim enjoy equal rights under a true Islam?"... do you mean Muslim women and non-Muslim individuals next to the rest of the Muslim population?? ... and you're meaning in the current so called "Islamic countries" and not true Islam??

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BigAk

Junior Member
Sorry... It seems that we're not on the same page... But, if you clarify with an example maybe, it may make the job easier!!!.. I'm sure you have an example because of your quote:

as reality (unfortunately) urges me to deal with your religion in my own country.

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sazk

Banned
psst fraulein Matouf,

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21

"what exactly would be different to how they are treated right now in islamic countries?"

well not much but there are some things which enjoins upon men for their behaviour towards women, and for women for their behaviour towards men. i m sure u will find what you need in the link above.

here are some of the things which are better for women in islamic countries:

there are far less divorces in islamic countries,
far less break ups in islamic countries,
far less rape in islamic countries,
much much less sexual harassment in islamic countries (in my country sexual harassment in the office is almost 0%),
men just don't abandon their families, they are loyal and faithful
woment don't elope with other men, they stay true to their husbands
incest is nil in islamic countries
women feel safer because there are no drunks who will touch them in the streets
there is no bestiality in islamic countries

at the time of marriage, a woman asks for an amount of money, called Mehr, which is given to her. this can be any amount as agreed by man and wife, from 1 euro to 1 million euros. this Mehr cannot be taken from the woman under any circumstances. it is only for a woman to keep. her father, brother, husband, children nobody can take this from her. this is islamic law which every muslim respects.

anal or oral sex is not allowed in islam solely because it is painful/demeaning to the woman.

in islam, the highest status any human being can achieve is motherhood. and that honour only goes to the woman.
 

sazk

Banned
women and non-muslim enjoy equal rights under true islam?

yes, women and non-muslims enjoy equal rights under true islam because actually Islam is not about religion or theology or just belief in God etc, it is actually all about rights.

in islamic doctrine, a person cannot enter Paradise if they donot give others their rights.

i can see why you have a problem in understanding the situation. here is what will make it easy for you:

the muslims of saudi arabia are different from the muslims of turkey which are different from the musilms of afghanistan who are different from the muslims of pakistan who are different from the muslims of indonesia.

the theology is homogenous but the muslims of every country are different according to their lifestyles and cultures. your fear of islam is a media propaganda. every muslim's lifestyle is not the same but every muslim's theology is same.

islam means peace (for all). do not oppress and donot be oppressed. that is our message
 

Matouf

New Member
I read the link you provided. Please, let me comment them:

Considering paradigms, the Islamic law is not less respecting for women than any other liberal constitution, if indeed it is not more respecting!
How can you reconcile this statement, when in Islam adult women have to ask for permit (be it their husband if married or their father or any other male) to make certain decisions - for example to work or the freedom to decide where to go to and whom to meet? Women - if in Sweden or in Germany - are free to make the same decisions as men do, no matter on which field/issue. Also, corporal punishment in marriage is not allowed. The rules for divorce are the same for both, men and women. A woman can marry anyone she wants, regardless her partners religion (or non-religion). In Islam this right only enjoy the men. Well, there are many more differences (which are anything else but not respectful towards women in my opinion) but those few alone contradicts heavily what the author of above link stated. The issue of legal islamic child marriages is another one. Back then it was common also in non-Muslim communities. That doesn't justifies it. Neither back then - but especially not today.


Another quote from that link I want to comment:
You mentioned that in Sweden men and women are equal - a fact that you should be proud of - but I believe that they are not equal to the extent and degree, which Islam gave us, as Muslim women! For example, the husband should not share the money or assets that a Muslim woman possesses, either through inheritance or from her work. He doesn't have any claim on any part of it, which is opposite to many Western constitutions that give the husband a claim on his wife's wealth!
The author forgets to mention, that this applies also to the opposite gender. And usually, because of having a more stable and constant career without interruption, by far many more men "naturally" receive better qualifications, professional experiences and hence get better payed jobs with also more power. They usually have more money and assets then women. Hence, the cases in which women have to share their money/assets with men are rare. In fact, much more common is the opposite case. If marriage fails, usually the men have to share much more money than women.

On the other hand, while husbands are not obliged to sustain their wives in western family laws, the Muslim wife is exempted from spending her income - however big it is - on the family unless she would like to help in a voluntary way.
Well, this is simply wrong. Both partners (he as well as she) do very well have the legal obligation to sustain each other. Each appropriate to their individual ability. Also, it's more a nice theory rather than reality, that in the average muslim partnership, the wife does not contribute (if she works) her income to the family. Her income simply is needed. And often she also gives voluntarily even her dowry. Notice, I don't criticize this, the opposite. For me this is naturally. They are (or rather should be) equal partners. But as much as I know about Islamic law, she has no legal right to get back the dowry in case of divorce. I am not sure about this, though. Maybe we have some lawyer here and I already have some special someone in mind, lol ;)

There are so many other examples of this Islamic equity, between the two genders, in all fields of life such as labor laws, criminal laws… etc.
Also in Islamic countries the wage gap differs between men and women. Out of the same reasons as it does in non-Islamic countries. I have no clue which other labor laws the author could have in mind. I am eager to hear them, though. He also mentioned criminal law. I don't know of any discriminating gender criminal law in Sweden or Germany. Does anyone here? But I have heard that women count less as witnesses in Islamic law. How does this respect women?


Also, what distinguishes the Islamic concept of equality, between the two genders, from other constitutions, is that it respects the biological differences between men and women. An example is the respect of the woman's need to spare a certain stage of her life for her role as a mother.
With respect, but this author has no clue about what he speaks. Of course we respect the woman's need to spare a certain stage of her life for her role as a mother! This finds recognition in our labor and family law for example. She get's money from the state, she isn't allowed to lose her job just because she is pregnant or staying at home because of a child. I don't say it's perfect, but certainly not worse (if even) than in Islam. In opposite to Islamic law, she also doesn't lose custody of her child automatically after the child reaches a certain age, as well as it doesn't matter, if the mother is Muslim or not when it comes to divorce and who get's the custody.
 

Matouf

New Member
Salaam,

Welcome to TTI. I am the oldest female on this forum. And I enjoy my status very much. I make the choice to be Muslim every day. I thank Allah subhana talla that He has made me Muslim. I have battled women's rights here in the States. I have battled civil rights. I have fought for the rights of all oppressed people..I still do. I write this to simply let you know I make the choice of being a Muslim woman because it is my freedom. Islam is the perfection of religion thus I am able to practice my faith as a human being. I find questions like yours to be very elementary. They result from a lack of knowledge coupled with years of pumped propaganda. I write this because the concept of freedom has little to with your question. Freedom is a construct that can not be delineated into social norms. Freedom and equality are beyond simple phenomenological perspectives. One has to dive deeper into the realm of human development and spirituality.
It is impossible to answer your question. You ask a global question. Restate what it is exactly that you wish to have answered. It is futile to engage in debates when your perspective is ridden with answers and you wish to prove yourself right. I say this because should you want correct answers you will be patient with my brothers and sisters.
I do thank you for taking the time to read my response. Insha'Allah we will be able to satisfy your questions in a correct and respectable manner.
Thanks also to you for the welcome. You mentioned the "propaganda" I received and the lack of knowledge. Well, I indeed have deep hopes you can satisfy my questions in a correct and respectable manner.

After reading the first reply I already (without having read your post, cause I answer strictly according to the order of posts), clarified my questions and asked several more detailed in my prior posts. But I have another one which I - if you don't mind - want to ask especially you, cause you said you made the "choice of being a Muslim woman because it is my freedom": Is it correct that you indeed have the Islamic right to choose Islam as your religion - but you don't have the freedom to apostate Islam?
 

BigAk

Junior Member
Matouf

Do you have any comments on my previous post ??? I am reposting it and am eager to hear your opinion about it.. Please re-read below:

On a seperate note; something just popped in my head and I wish that you; Matouf may be able to reflect on this. I find that many western women easily attack the muslim based cultures; hence blame the religion itself which is innocent of the people's actions. But, I wonder:

1) Does it ever come to you that almost 99.9% of the por*ography comes from those same western Christian societies?? Strip clubs are abundant in every city in the US and Europe; yet they are considered Christian societies.

2) Do you view this as equality of women among their men peers??

3) How can this be viewed as equality to women as they have become slaves to men's sexual desires that it has become the norm??

4) How much abuse, corruption and loss of human rights these same women are being subjected to by selecting such life style?? not to mention the crime, drugs, homocide, and suicide associated wth such life style.

5) If you consider that the dominant faith of these western societies is Christianity, how come no finger is being pointed at these Christian women and their equality under such western Christian societies?? Yet, these same Christian women are too quick at pointing their fingers at the muslim covered (by choice) woman and judging "she must have lost all her rights."

6) Do you really feel that women in the western Christian socioties are treated fairly and equally??

7) Is it fair to blame Christianity by the actions of these Christian westerners?

I would love to hear your answers.

Respectfully,
Ak

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Thank you
 

BigAk

Junior Member
Is it correct that you indeed have the Islamic right to choose Islam as your religion - but you don't have the freedom to apostate Islam?

This is not correct... It's a false information that the anti-Islamic websites love to spread... There is nothing in Islam that restrict freedom to leave Islam. The verse in the Quran was directed towards a certain event during the life of the prophet Muhammad where some of the non-believers used to play games by pretending to accept Islam in order to avoid paying taxes then rejected Islam afterwards. Allah has ordered the prophet to fight these wicked individuals.

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Matouf

New Member
best greetings lady Matouf .
salam alikom sisters and brothers .

the human rights as the UN comte them are :
twin pacts of Geveva

1 -the politics and civilians rights.
2- the culturals economics and socials rights.

are they the rights do you speak about or there more ones that you want include to here ?
Hello Abdalilah! Thanks for joining the discussion! To answer your question - I don't have the UN Charta in mind. When I speak of "equal rights" for men and women, I mean that no one has to face disadvantages just because of it's gender. And of course this embeds any field, be it politic, economic, social and civilian right. There's no exception.
 

BigAk

Junior Member
septithol .... Sorry... but you make very little sense in most of your posts.. Your mind is so convoluted that you complicate things for yourself too much.. This results in not even having a clear definition of what your religion is or what you truly believe in... You haven't even read and researched the Quran... But yet you feel that you are an authority to talk about it!!!???

That's why I often change my mind to going into a dialog with you.

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sazk

Banned
thank you for reading through the post fraulein matouf,

statement 1:

"in Islam adult women have to ask for permit (be it their husband if married or their father or any other male) to make certain decisions - for example to work or the freedom to decide where to go to and whom to meet?"

answer: a woman does not need permission for these matters. in islam it is a practice that these above mentioned matters are DISCUSSED by husband and wife rather than requiring permission. this is because the family is a very strong unit in islam and attention to children comes first and foremost. i come from a muslim family. before my mother's marriage, when she graduated from her university, she ANNOUNCED her decision to work for Merck. and it was well received and supported by her father.

how can you make such a statement when you can see thousands of muslim women working in the field?

answer: in islam, a man HAS to provide for his family. a woman does not. she can put her feet up and say FEED ME to her husband. and her husband will have to comply because it is required that he should be the breadwinner. the woman can relax. if she WANTS to work, it is fine. if she DOES NOT WANT to work, it is fine.

statement 2: corporal punishment in marriage is not allowed.

and yet many german men get drunk and beat their wives. can you answer for those christians? in islam, if you read the verse again, it says that 1st step: admonish them if they do something bad. and if they are in their bad habit: Leave them in their beds for a short while. and yet still they do not reconsider ONLY THEN can you beat them. beating is only a last step, not the first step and that too if the woman is so trashy that it is the only way.

if a woman was so slutty that she continually elopes behind her husband's back, she constantly ignores her children's cries, she is a whore who publicly flirts with other men and constantly brings bad repute to her family. first you tried admonishing her, then you tried leaving her in her bed, what would be the last step you took?

if you didn't correct this sort of a woman, you just let her go then there is very good chance that she will seduce your own husband or boyfriend causing your own family or relationship to break up. and this is exactly why families break up in Duetschland. why? because you didn't beat and correct the adultress! no my sister, beating is only a last resort, only done if a woman is so filthy and so bad that there is no other way.
other than that, if a woman is good, she is a good person, a good human being, then no problem. no beatings, no scoldings whatsoever. she can do whatever she wants. :)

statement 3: The rules for divorce are the same for both, men and women

answer: before 1875, a german woman could not get a divorce, after 1875 she could only get a divorce if the couple was previously entitled to a religious "perpetual separation order". in traditional christianity, there is no concept of divorce, thus the phrase "till death do us part". then what are you bragging about?
islam gave the right to divorce 1430 years ago. a muslim woman 1430 years ago, could initiate a divorce from her husband. a german woman 1430 years ago could not divorce her husband no matter what.

statement 4: A woman can marry anyone she wants, regardless her partners religion

answer: in islam the husband is required to feed and clothe his wife. the food must be halal. a non muslim husband will put non-kosher food (or non halal) on the table. so she will have to eat non-halal food which is not allowed in islam. a husband might abuse our Prophet (PBUH) and his muslim wife while under islam a muslim cannot abuse Jesus (pbuh). every muslim is required to respect jesus otherwise they are non-muslims. a non-circumsized penis is the major cause of cervical cancer. every muslim male is required to be circumsized for the sake of the female's health.

a muslim male can only marry a believing christian or jew. not a secular one who just says it on the tongue but doesnt put it in practice. muslim men cannot marry atheists/agnostics.

statement 5: The issue of legal islamic child marriages is another one. Back then it was common also in non-Muslim communities.

answer: when it was common in non-muslim communities then what are you so proud about? is islam a child CAN marry when they are adolescent. not HAVE TO marry.

in germany the age of consent is 18. this is an arbitary number assigned by a bunch of old men. and this is why your 13 year old daughters and sisters are getting seduced and laid before marriage. can you stop this from happening in germany? this is what is happening to your daughters and sisters.

if a child should not be married before 18 years old, why are they having sex before that? why are your daughters and sisters getting seduced and hurt before that? can you justify that? i can tell you the answer: because your courts didn't allow boys and girls to marry when they are adolescent. now they are having sex with one another in school. this is what is happening to your daughters and sisters and mothers. i take off my hat to you. this is what your courts have achieved.

statement 6: "They usually have more money and assets then women. Hence, the cases in which women have to share their money/assets with men are rare. In fact, much more common is the opposite case. If marriage fails, usually the men have to share much more money than women."


answer: and yet this didnot happen in germany before 1875. what your courts have achieved only recently, was achieved by islam 1430 years ago. your german husbands have a claim in your wealth. and your women have a claim in their husbands wealth.
in islam a woman's wealth is her own, no man can have any claim in it, whether large or small. a woman has a claim in her husband's wealth no matter what. this is not injustice to men, this is equality for women because there are some rights men enjoy over women, and some rights women enjoy over men. remember, equal rights does not mean identical rights

statement 7: Both partners (he as well as she) do very well have the legal obligation to sustain each other. Each appropriate to their individual ability. Also, it's more a nice theory rather than reality, that in the average muslim partnership, the wife does not contribute (if she works) her income to the family.

answer: no. this is not wrong. it is a privilege given by islam to the women. is islam only the men have to provide food and shelter for the family, the women do not have to do that.
women have a choice: if they want to work and contribute her income for the family, she can do that. if she wants to keep her income for herself, no husband can force her to do to contribute to the family.

statement 8: And often she also gives voluntarily even her dowry.

answer: please notice the word voluntarily. islam does not require a woman to give dowry. it is not necessary for the woman to give dowry. this is a privilege for the woman.

misconception 8: But as much as I know about Islamic law, she has no legal right to get back the dowry in case of divorce. I am not sure about this, though.

answer: yes u r right , you are not sure about this. is Islamic law, she keeps her Mehr (research this fraulein!) and no man can take this from her, even in case of divorce.

statement 9: "I don't say it's perfect"

answer: well when you yourself its not perfect then what are you bragging on about.

"but certainly not worse (if even) than in Islam"

if you make this statement, them please show your proof. if it is not perfect, then how is it better than islam? when islam is saying that a woman can rest at home, her husband has a duty to feed her and provide for her, she can work if she wants to, she can not work if she wants to. so how can you say that your system is better, when most of the time its not perfect and you and i know why.

statement 10: In opposite to Islamic law, she also doesn't lose custody of her child automatically after the child reaches a certain age, as well as it doesn't matter, if the mother is Muslim or not when it comes to divorce and who get's the custody.

answer: in Islam, the child custody goes to the parent who can provide better for the child. who can feed, clothe, and educate the child better.

all in all, please keep in mind that it is because of Islam that divorce rates are so much lower in Islamic countries than in Europe.

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Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

As you asked my specific answer I will respond. Due to time constraints I did not read the other responses. I wish to remain focused.

I need to alert you to the fact that I am not a scholar. I am a humble woman trying to live a simple and pious life.

Yes, it is my choice to be a Muslim. There is no compulsion in religion. I have studied many faiths. I have experienced many things in my life. Everything led me back to Islam. In my life experiences there is nothing other than Islam. Intellectually Islam satisfies the mind, spiritually Islam feeds the soul, practically Islam provides the solutions to all of mankind's socio-economic problems. It is a total way of life. It breeds Love. It makes men humble and women obedient. Freedom from the yoke of oppression that tie souls to the rock we call the duyna ( world). Oh how happy it makes me to be a Muslim.

A person may leave Islam. There is no compulsion in religion.

Please feel free to question me. I am not the most knowledgeable. I am striving to please my Creator.

Please find out about Islam. As the rays of the sun are in 360 points so is Islam. It is enlightenment in every sense of the word. As a Muslim we can tolerate the different conditions of mankind, for we are ever mindful that we are in the presence of our Rabb every second of the passing minute. My brothers and sisters here will assist you, we are at the end of the bridge you are on with open arms.
 
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