Osama bin Laden is dead, says US

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Al-Kashmiri

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As-salaamu `alaykum

Let's look at this from some different perspectives.

The first, according the Benazir, former president of Pakistan and others, he was long dead (killed by Omar Sheikh as Bhutto claimed). Having had a kidney issue it was highly unlikely he was gonna get any dialysis up in Tora Bora or whatever. Plus, notice how shortly after 9/11, he made some "TV" appearances. Yet all the subsequent footage that followed has been proven to be a hoax, thus its not surprising that Western outlets have relied on only audio 'tapes' for his more 'recent' statements. The dumbos they are, they kept getting busted and resorted to obscure audio messages as their videos were just too fake to have any credibility.

Given that they mysteriously buried him at sea only adds to the dubiousness of the whole account. And how he ended up right near Pak Army HQ's sounds disturbingly fixed to me. Plus, in Pakistan, it seems that the main threat for a while has been from Humza, his son, and not Osama himself. Usually, one's son becomes a bigger threat when the father is too old, sick or dead, is that not the case? Add to add to this list of ingredients, the fact that Obama's rep has been on the decrease, the believability of him being killed up in Pak as they are claiming becomes even slimmer. We also know that the press are compulsive liars, especially the pro-Western government agencies (not to forget how patriotic and outright thick many American jouranlists are). Some of them, explain their reasoning as being due to them having to relate official reports, fair enough. On this note, I remind you that Allaah says,

O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
Al-Hujurât 49:6​

Another perspective, given if it's true then let's reflect... He supposedly masterminded a number of attacks. I say supposedly because all good news agencies use that word, because it hasn't been proven true. The death toll of his attacks reached nowhere near the death toll of innocent children, women and men killed in the 10 years spent to find him.

Anyway, I'm no fan of the man and don't understand myself why some people here still are, but it seriously bugs me how people run and believe whatever they hear so easily, and even if true, don't seem to consider that more lives were damaged in his hunt, then there were before. Apparently, it seems that the lives of a few thousand Westerners are more dear than tens of thousands of young Afghani and Pakistani children and their mothers.

And it took them ten years? Pathetic!
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
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At the press conference.. /facetious post
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Assalamu`alaykum

A few years back top CIA officials admitted that if they kill Osama a 100 of them would be born to take revenge thats why its important to have him alive. He also quoted that now killing Osama wont make any difference because the AlQaeda has now been organized to lead without a leadership.

If he is really dead now all foreign forces must withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan or it might be the real start of war on terror now.

Whats really doubtful is why his body put in sea there was so much land to bury him. Why not display him when you show the world you did a great job and saved the world?


Allah knows best. I just hope now no more drone attacks no more civilian killings the Americans need to go back home as their job is done I hope they dont say we still have job left to kill his aides.



There alot of mysteries surrounding his death where did his 100 body guards go? Didn't he get a ride to flee like how he did in Tora Bora?
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatulah wa baarkatuhu

Dear brother, how do you mean that Osama Bin laden is not fault for the crimes he done in past, like acts of terrorism and killing of innocent people.?

I agree with you dear brother that Allah knows the best, but to us is aslo given some knowledge and although we may not see everything with our own eyes, we still beliave it can be truth, although we do not have proves. Also as we know Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaida accepted responsability for some terrorist attacks which happened in the past and he gave many statments and public treats regarding new terrorist attacs. Wallahi, they do not have anything to do with Islaam,and they give image that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

I feel sad for my Muslim brother brothers in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Checheniya who are getting killed every day by Kaffir hands, but that is not reason that we be the same like they are because we are Muslims. Alhamdulillah, Allah is prescribing us fight for His sake and for the sake of defending lifes of other Muslims, but Allah is not allowing us killing of innocent people, suicide bombing,and making dissorder on Earth.Our Prophet Mohammed salahu alayha wa salam, his Sahabhas r.a,and after close generations of Muslims did not kill innocent people, but they fighted only how is allowed in Islaam and it should be enough example and gudiance for us Inshallah.. Allahu Aleem.

Allah knows the best.

May Allah guide us all to the right path. Ameen.

:wasalam:

wa 'alaikum salam wa rahmatu-llah

my point wasn't that what you made
it can lead a big big big discussion and really I don't wan to get into it.

anyways:

"Bin Laden is believed to be the mastermind of the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001 and a number of others."---BBC

so upon what they are doing their stuff?

why the US is doing so much mess , killing people round the world to catch or punish one man?nothing they are upto show and fool people....

and indeed Allah knows everything.
may Allah disfigure the face of the disbelievers and may He reveal the truth

wassalamu'alaikum
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Assalamu`alaykum

A few years back top CIA officials admitted that if they kill Osama a 100 of them would be born to take revenge thats why its important to have him alive. He also quoted that now killing Osama wont make any difference because the AlQaeda has now been organized to lead without a leadership.

If he is really dead now all foreign forces must withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan or it might be the real start of war on terror now.

Whats really doubtful is why his body put in sea there was so much land to bury him. Why not display him when you show the world you did a great job and saved the world?


Allah knows best. I just hope now no more drone attacks no more civilian killings the Americans need to go back home as their job is done I hope they dont say we still have job left to kill his aides.



There alot of mysteries surrounding his death where did his 100 body guards go? Didn't he get a ride to flee like how he did in Tora Bora?


good points you made, but he, look what they are planning, new game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11489337

uff, kuffars....

they plan but Allah also plans......

wa'llahua'lam

wassalamu 'alaikum
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
Innocent muslims were killed that day too, as was already pointed out. People from lots of different countries.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

1.2 million people have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 10 years (different estimates have it at more than that). 6000 dying on that day does not justify everything that has been done by the right-wing war-crazy nuts in the USA.

If Bin Laden is a terrorist for killing 6000 people, and he is, then the USA government is 2000 times the terrorist for the 1.2 million people they killed, and 2000 times the hypocrite for claiming moral superiority.

"An eye for an makes the whole world blind"? It'd be nice if you had used that quote in October 2001 when the USA was gearing up to go to war in Afghanistan. They weren't so forgiving then. At that moment, it didn't matter, bombing and killing someone was important.
 

Ahsen

Junior Member
I ain't still much happy.There are many hitlers in east and west.I want all of them dead.You all know who they are.These people are the modern version of genghis khan.
 

Ahsen

Junior Member
Am I the only one who thinks this is a hoax? I mean Obama numbers are down then his re election campaign is under way and boom
Bin Laden is dead? Not to count they don't even have the body cause it was buried under sea? And what is that about a mansion? For what I heard from ppl in Pakistan this all is a farce ... At the same time I see islamophobia raising with all these warnings against possible retaliation threats and the worst thing chaos escalating in Pakistan and Afghanistan....
La hawla wa la quwata ila billah

I was thinking the same.It could be a way to get more votes in the coming elections.
 

joldas

Banned
in china,

All china laughing Americans act.

The Muslims cursing Americans, i doubt the bad action of USA government will bring the sadness and the ruin and destroy of USA people in this world, and the ever-bad in the time of Kyiamet - the day of questoning.
 

msmoorad

mommys boy
salaams to all

the timing of this announcement is very suspicious- the west is getting a good hiding in Afghanistan & is now looking for an exit strategy that will still allow it maintain some semblence of dignity.
they dont want to be called cowards or for it to be said that the mighty US was unable to defeat a few thousand men living in the mountains/caves of Afghanistan.

im still sceptical though, i still suspect they will NOT withdraw entirely because there is the proposed natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to protect and other valuable minerals to steal.

as for Usama- if he were really still alive- he himself would be confused- he wont know whether hes supposed to be alive or dead.

and Allah ta'ala knows best
jazakallah
 

arzafar

Junior Member
let's keep the thread to the topic and avoid speculations.

I am still waiting for conclusive evidence/proof.

This event seems alarmingly similar to 9/11 when we were told to accept without evidence (circumstantial, eye witnesses or otherwise) that alqaeda did 9/11. in fact the visuals of the plane crash on pentagon have still not been released.

Unfortunately when Govts. hide things, it fuels conspiracy theories. The US govt should come out clean and release all evidence that leads them to believe alqaeda did 9/11 and also the reveal Osama's dead body to the world.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Thats actually not nice - You may not know it, but with that sort of thinking you are creating a boundary between yourself and the rest of the people here. Our primary aim here is to share and learn about Islam and to remove misconceptions. This is a public forum, not everyone's opinion is going to be correct. Why not try to think or understand why someone would mention Zionists? If you feel it is wrong, then explain why they are wrong, rather than simply taking the conceited position you currently are.

It may not be nice, but it's true. The word pops up as often as blame for Muslims pop up when a bombing happens. I'm already standing on the other side of a wall that has been built by members here. I was happy when I first started coming here, I finally felt like I'd found the religion that I was meant to be a part of, now I am seeing nothing more than the same bigotry and bias that some Christians have against Muslims. Are there people working these situations behind the scenes that support Israel? Yeah, I have no doubt. But as I told my friend, that word is used as a SLUR here to describe anyone who doesn't agree that Americans are trash and that every Muslim on the face of the planet has a halo. People are people and they do stupid things, regardless of their place of origin or their religion. And frankly, I'm sick of it from both sides. I defend Muslims constantly, saying how many good people I've met (many here), and when I come here, I get buried in people blaming America for everything. I can't take it from both sides. Ban me if you need to, but it won't matter because I can't deal with this anymore. I'm sick of crying about losing out on what I thought was Islam.

Want to get rid of misconceptions? Prove that Islam is about peace, and make that a focus here, so people can really understand. Because when I first came here, and I saw "oh Bless Osama for everything he did" I would turn around and leave. I'd do the same if I saw a forum that said "Bless bush for everything he did." My husband has watched tons of videos on 9/11, that would be dismissed as conspiracy theory. And I believe Bush and his people (and some family) are guilty. But blaming all Americans for crap they pulled? NOT MY FAULT.

Last night when I heard the news, I wasn't even happy about his death. Why? Because he has either helped, or been the excuse for, murder of thousands on BOTH sides. I can't be happy about that. I'd never pretend all Americans are innocent, nor will I ever pretend that all Muslims are innocent. But I'm not going to place the blame on those who ARE innocent. Apparently that's just me.

"An eye for an makes the whole world blind"? It'd be nice if you had used that quote in October 2011 when the USA was gearing up to go to war in Afghanistan. They weren't so forgiving then. At that moment, it didn't matter, bombing and killing someone was important.

I did, but you weren't around to hear me say it, were you? Nice to assume that I'm so one-dimensional isn't it?
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
let's keep the thread to the topic and avoid speculations.

I am still waiting for conclusive evidence/proof.

This event seems alarmingly similar to 9/11 when we were told to accept without evidence (circumstantial, eye witnesses or otherwise) that alqaeda did 9/11. in fact the visuals of the plane crash on pentagon have still not been released.

Unfortunately when Govts. hide things, it fuels conspiracy theories. The US govt should come out clean and release all evidence that leads them to believe alqaeda did 9/11 and also the reveal Osama's dead body to the world.

Yes I am having a laugh just read US buried him at sea to avoid his burial place to become a terrorist shrine...lol seems nice place to throw your evidence also.

AFP reports that US forces administered Muslim religious rites for Osama bin Laden aboard an aircraft carrier Monday in the Arabian Sea, an American official said after the raid that killed the Al-Qaeda leader.

Traditional procedures for Islamic burial were followed. The deceased's body was washed and then placed in a white sheet. The body was placed in aweighted bag.A military officer read prepared religious remarks which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat-board... (and) eased into the sea. The ceremony began at 0510 GMT and ended some 50 minutes later aboard the aircraft carrier which is stationed off the coast of Pakistan to help US and coalition forces in Afghanistan.

Innovative concept if you dont have land for burial dump them in sea what kind of religious remarks you would make

Obamas facial expression didn't match with others who were happy at the death while he read the statement.lol. I guess this is just a boost to revive the economy as they are going on news saying US stock markets will open on high with the good news. Also to prove Pakistan did harbor terrorist and they are weak in combating terror. It could also be he died of natural death long back and US came to know now so to take credit and justify they announced they did it that's why don't have the body also


http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-killed-worldwide-reactions/100058/
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
It may not be nice, but it's true. The word pops up as often as blame for Muslims pop up when a bombing happens. I'm already standing on the other side of a wall that has been built by members here. I was happy when I first started coming here, I finally felt like I'd found the religion that I was meant to be a part of, now I am seeing nothing more than the same bigotry and bias that some Christians have against Muslims. Are there people working these situations behind the scenes that support Israel? Yeah, I have no doubt. But as I told my friend, that word is used as a SLUR here to describe anyone who doesn't agree that Americans are trash and that every Muslim on the face of the planet has a halo. People are people and they do stupid things, regardless of their place of origin or their religion. And frankly, I'm sick of it from both sides. I defend Muslims constantly, saying how many good people I've met (many here), and when I come here, I get buried in people blaming America for everything. I can't take it from both sides. Ban me if you need to, but it won't matter because I can't deal with this anymore. I'm sick of crying about losing out on what I thought was Islam.

Want to get rid of misconceptions? Prove that Islam is about peace, and make that a focus here, so people can really understand. Because when I first came here, and I saw "oh Bless Osama for everything he did" I would turn around and leave. I'd do the same if I saw a forum that said "Bless bush for everything he did." My husband has watched tons of videos on 9/11, that would be dismissed as conspiracy theory. And I believe Bush and his people (and some family) are guilty. But blaming all Americans for crap they pulled? NOT MY FAULT.

Last night when I heard the news, I wasn't even happy about his death. Why? Because he has either helped, or been the excuse for, murder of thousands on BOTH sides. I can't be happy about that. I'd never pretend all Americans are innocent, nor will I ever pretend that all Muslims are innocent. But I'm not going to place the blame on those who ARE innocent. Apparently that's just me.



I did, but you weren't around to hear me say it, were you? Nice to assume that I'm so one-dimensional isn't it?
:salam2:Am sorry to have to tell you this but you really seem to be cornered in your own bias.You have a tendency to deny the same emotionalism you indulge in to others.

In few words Whether Muslim or non Muslim all around the world people are waking up against Zionism and Imperialism,according to your definition any American Muslim or non Muslim(and god knows there are many) that speaks up to power is a hater,a bigot an extremist..etc. let alone non Americans they don't even exist in "Alabama" .

Obviously if he is a Muslim you put him in a box,condemn him to uniformity of thought in your perception, therefore indirectly dehumanize him,you have to step in and think for him.If he doesn't agree with your own version or doesn't share your views he is automatically not a good Muslim or his religion is bad .welcome to the same old story of divide and conquer....It used to be the Japanese,the Russians,the Vietcong,the Natives..etc .

All of them were bad folks,their religion was even worse.Some were good at making sandwiches cooking spicy or looking exotic... But hey Chuck Norris ,Bruce Willis a, John Wayne,Spiderman and Rocky Balboa are there to save us ,they are the good guys the look so much like us,eat the same food and crack the same jokes.Tell that to an in Afghan child who has just lost it's whole family through a bombardment , an amputated veteran finding himself homelss after returning to the states or a poor Mexican American father who has just lost his child for the interest of the rich and the decision makers for the promise of a citizenship that he will never live throughly !

You can not embrace humanity if you do not recognize it's diversity.It is like being obsessed with the old Charlie Chaplin in Black and white out of nostalgia, forgetting that meanwhile the banks,the weapon sealers and other war profiteers are taking over and that they couldn't care less about your nationalistic outcries or what they see as an infantile disease like Einstein would. It serves them well they use it.

National zealotism has never proven to be a way to find harmony and in peace with the universality of one's existence,it is a trigger to an endless competition of egos and misplaced pride.And if you thought finding any glorification of it in Islam you missed the whole point,Islam unites human beings through their shared basic human consciousness, tribalism divides them by enhancing their particularities .The imperfection and error might also be coming from your side ,shouldn't we rather consider this as an alternative to a simplistic and defensive attitude? Because,This is where your unconscious confusion is coming from.

While you blame the Muslim of constantly building walls and victimizing themselves, you do the same and find comfort by selfishly appropriating yourself this right with quite a bold exclusivity .The objection of conscience is something priceless,it has been vivid all across history and through all cultures.It should never be marginalized ,silenced,denied or deprived.

As a 17 th century French writer said:
If I knew something that would serve my country but would harm mankind, I would never reveal it; for I am a citizen of humanity first and by necessity, and a citizen of France second, and only by accident. ~Montesquieu


The answer to your question is no.No one here wants or should wanna prove anything to anybody about Islam being Peaceful.It is Gods way one submits or goes to hell,simple.It is none of our business to prove our God given conscience is not a commodity for trade,the almighty doesn't need our help and to him alone we happen to be accountable,all of us,the good and the bad.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
wa 'alaikum salam wa rahmatu-llah

my point wasn't that what you made
it can lead a big big big discussion and really I don't wan to get into it.

anyways:

"Bin Laden is believed to be the mastermind of the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001 and a number of others."---BBC

so upon what they are doing their stuff?

why the US is doing so much mess , killing people round the world to catch or punish one man?nothing they are upto show and fool people....

and indeed Allah knows everything.
may Allah disfigure the face of the disbelievers and may He reveal the truth

wassalamu'alaikum

:salam2:

May Allah forgive me because I have misunderstood your view and opinion brother.

:wasalam:
 

h4mza

Palestine Forever
Sounds fishy to me, how can a small unit without any Pakistanis go and quickly dump him on the sea. Who were those people who killed him, marines, nato, ISI? Why no footage of dead body?

I think it was just a bunch of yanks who pretended, so America thinks justice is done and Obama can get re elected.

This will also make more problems for Pakistan, because ISI is accused of sheltering Osama, Afghanistan wants the war to be moved to Pakistan, Taliban will even attack more. So more terrorism in Pakistan could lead another US invasion, or even a WW3 if Muslim world and China condemn it.
 

Aroosak

Junior Member
:salam2:

JOKE OF THE YEAR:

Source: Al-Jazeera

10:46am
After bin Laden was killed, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said.

Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said.

So the US decided to bury him at sea. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred. (Associated Press)


AS IF! ha! like they would care about what Islamic rites are... I vividly remember when they showed pictures of Sadam Hussein and his sons as if they were hunting trophies (I think they even said they were) And NOW they would care about that?
I heard CNN saying that they did it so his followers wouldn't make shrines of his burial place or have "secret meetings" there .... Wouldn't someone who knows a tiny bit about Islam know shrines are strictly prohibited and considered shirk? Especially for so labeled extremists as the Taliban? sorry not buying a thing....
 
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