Are the London Riots about Class Warfare Poor vs Rich ?

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

Brother,

From my readings that is not the case. There is a horrible class system in the UK.
Why is anyone surprised by this. This is as bad a reaction as Let them eat cake.

Why can't the Muslims use this opportunity to turn it around and educate the youth. They have no hope.

I do not have sympathy for them. I understand the causes of the problems. The socio-economic causes have been predicted for a long time.

The law is the law of the kuffir. It changes,. The banker pigs get away with murder. Come on now, brother..Murdock is not the only one who relays the news.

Please Brother do not tease me about the Zionists. I have done a lot of research. Should you be one who does not believe in the banker/Zionist connection I strongly urge you to read the history of the Rothschild for starters.

I have no doubt about the banker-zionist connection


the issue here is the cause of the riots,,this is not socially oppressed people asking peacefully for rights...this is young people who have nothing better to do but destroy life and homes and businesses for those who work hard to survive..most of the damage was to poorer parts of london..destroying lives of poor innocent people ..they deserve our sympathy not rioters,,,
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

Brother,

From my readings that is not the case. There is a horrible class system in the UK.
Why is anyone surprised by this. This is as bad a reaction as Let them eat cake.

Why can't the Muslims use this opportunity to turn it around and educate the youth. They have no hope.

I do not have sympathy for them. I understand the causes of the problems. The socio-economic causes have been predicted for a long time.

The law is the law of the kuffir. It changes,. The banker pigs get away with murder. Come on now, brother..Murdock is not the only one who relays the news.

Please Brother do not tease me about the Zionists. I have done a lot of research. Should you be one who does not believe in the banker/Zionist connection I strongly urge you to read the history of the Rothschild for starters.

and by the way,,you said from your readings,,,we are talking as people who have spent much of thier life in london so know the reality
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

I speak English with a British accent. It is very sad for a Southern Belle.



I think the riots are wrong. We are all agreed as to the actions being wrong. But the English have had a history of being hooligans. The poor English man has never been one to invite to dinner. Once again think of the compassion of a Dickens or a Newton.

I am suggesting that we understand the root of the problem. Did our Prophet not take the most ignorant of peoples and turn them into Muslims. So let us focus on helping these poor souls.

They are angry. And only faith disspells anger.

They have nothing. Give them hope. That is the spirit of Islam.
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
Its not about poor vs rich.

The rioters are like rats who poo in their own nest. They have no jobs because they`re inadequate, have no morals, no backbone, no intelligence, no knowledge and cant be trusted. They should blame their stupid ignorant parents not their lack of opportunity.

Disgusting pathetic parasitical halfwits.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
:salam2:

There have been some fabulous dawah attempts in the past by the brothers and sisters of London. I'm sure they won't let this opportunity go by without trying.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

I speak English with a British accent. It is very sad for a Southern Belle.



I think the riots are wrong. We are all agreed as to the actions being wrong. But the English have had a history of being hooligans. The poor English man has never been one to invite to dinner. Once again think of the compassion of a Dickens or a Newton.

I am suggesting that we understand the root of the problem. Did our Prophet not take the most ignorant of peoples and turn them into Muslims. So let us focus on helping these poor souls.

They are angry. And only faith disspells anger.

They have nothing. Give them hope. That is the spirit of Islam.

sure try to give them hope,,,,help them,,but there are others more deserving


surely we should be helping muslims suffering first

i know in Us you get news full of london ..and not about middle east


well good honest faithful muslims are being masaccared in syria,,,i think they deserve our help first.............................................
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I totally agree we need to help. We need to help everyone.

In the UK we have an opportunity and that does not take away from helping the others.

The underprivileged in the UK are fighting for the same thing. The news is letting us know of the economic plight of the poor. How the rich have laws to protect them, how the rich keep getting richer. How the poor are not given opportunities.

They spent close to $ 20 million tax dollars on a stupid wedding. They changed the ceremony to include Jewish rites to accommodate the Jewess. So much for the Church of England. Let the poor watch me eat cake while you starve. The whole idea of the middle class has been a joke. It is the rich eating the life out of the poor.

The UK is a police state. It is and always has been racist.

The UK has made a lot of trouble in the world. Do not think they were not complicit in the mess that is in the Middle East right now.

Are you aware of the difference between London and the City of London. Check that out.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

I totally agree we need to help. We need to help everyone.

In the UK we have an opportunity and that does not take away from helping the others.

The underprivileged in the UK are fighting for the same thing. The news is letting us know of the economic plight of the poor. How the rich have laws to protect them, how the rich keep getting richer. How the poor are not given opportunities.

They spent close to $ 20 million tax dollars on a stupid wedding. They changed the ceremony to include Jewish rites to accommodate the Jewess. So much for the Church of England. Let the poor watch me eat cake while you starve. The whole idea of the middle class has been a joke. It is the rich eating the life out of the poor.

The UK is a police state. It is and always has been racist.

The UK has made a lot of trouble in the world. Do not think they were not complicit in the mess that is in the Middle East right now.

Are you aware of the difference between London and the City of London. Check that out.

sorry and idont want to argue..but i must answer

The Uk is not a police state,,,,,and not racist........

muslims there actually have greater deomcratic rights..than many other countries,,,,a musllim can practise his faith freely,,,and a woman can wear hijab or burka,,,and a woman wiht hijab,,,can work in any postion attend any school,,,this is not so across europe and also in many arab muslim countries,,,and now isee far east countries,,,where womn with hijab are discriminated agaisnt for weairng hijab,,,in public positions,,,,and education

and we have freedom of speech,,,i can remember long ago pro saddam supporters,,,in midddle of trafalgar square,,,noone tells them go..and muslims of many parties or cultures are aloud to speak in public,,,

but we do not want freedom for HOOLIGANS and LAW bREAKERS who DESTROY OTHERS LIVES
and yes im 100% aware that the Uk is responsible initially for most troubles across middle east and arab and asian countries


but im still proud to be part british
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

I totally agree we need to help. We need to help everyone.

In the UK we have an opportunity and that does not take away from helping the others.

The underprivileged in the UK are fighting for the same thing. The news is letting us know of the economic plight of the poor. How the rich have laws to protect them, how the rich keep getting richer. How the poor are not given opportunities.

They spent close to $ 20 million tax dollars on a stupid wedding. They changed the ceremony to include Jewish rites to accommodate the Jewess. So much for the Church of England. Let the poor watch me eat cake while you starve. The whole idea of the middle class has been a joke. It is the rich eating the life out of the poor.

The UK is a police state. It is and always has been racist.

The UK has made a lot of trouble in the world. Do not think they were not complicit in the mess that is in the Middle East right now.

Are you aware of the difference between London and the City of London. Check that out.

sorry and idont want to argue..but i must answer

The Uk is not a police state,,,,,and not racist........

muslims there actually have greater democratic rights..than many other countries,,,,a musllim can practise his faith freely,,,and a woman can wear hijab or burka,,,and a woman wiht hijab,,,can work in any postion attend any school,,,this is not so across europe and also in many arab muslim countries,,,and now isee far east countries,,,where women with hijab are discriminated agaisnt for weairng hijab,,,in public positions,,,,and education

and we have freedom of speech,,,i can remember long ago pro saddam supporters,,,in midddle of trafalgar square,,,noone tells them go..and muslims of many parties or cultures are aloud to speak in public,,,

but we do not want freedom for HOOLIGANS and LAW bREAKERS who DESTROY OTHERS LIVES
and yes im 100% aware that the Uk is responsible initially for most troubles across middle east and arab and asian countries


but im still proud to be part british
 

Rebaz

Junior Member
I don't think so, what I see is a new generation of evil people that dosen't think when they act.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,


Three items,

1. The UK has more surveillance than anyone.

2. The EDL; skin heads, the British are racist. They are the ones who coined the term colored. The British are racist.

3. You did not look up the difference between London and the City of London. If you research this you would understand the cause of many riots.

This discussion has nothing to do with you personally. You can be anything you want. I do not want this to be personal. Very little learning happens.

This is a discussion in which I am trying to understand why the members of this forum have no knowledge of why the riots occurred. I am trying to get a sense of why members are presenting a perspective that is totally aligned to the mainstream media. The same media which maligns Muslims. The same media which changes the news to benefit specific groups like the Israelis.

I am confused to the emotionalism that the responses contain. The responses are lacking facts. What facts do you have to back up the claims. What are the unemployment figures, what was the average salary of the poor per year, how many children, how many unwed mothers, etc etc.
What are the social evils that would precipitate such violence.

If you are proud to be British that is your right.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,


Three items,

1. The UK has more surveillance than anyone.

2. The EDL; skin heads, the British are racist. They are the ones who coined the term colored. The British are racist.

3. You did not look up the difference between London and the City of London. If you research this you would understand the cause of many riots.

This discussion has nothing to do with you personally. You can be anything you want. I do not want this to be personal. Very little learning happens.

This is a discussion in which I am trying to understand why the members of this forum have no knowledge of why the riots occurred. I am trying to get a sense of why members are presenting a perspective that is totally aligned to the mainstream media. The same media which maligns Muslims. The same media which changes the news to benefit specific groups like the Israelis.

I am confused to the emotionalism that the responses contain. The responses are lacking facts. What facts do you have to back up the claims. What are the unemployment figures, what was the average salary of the poor per year, how many children, how many unwed mothers, etc etc.
What are the social evils that would precipitate such violence.

If you are proud to be British that is your right.


british are racists yes and there are american racists,,,dont forget what hapenned in fifties,,,and right across europe,there are many racistd
but not all british are racists

second im not going by the media,,,but why what ihave seen in britain over the last twenty years..yes there are social issues,,,because people have lost any sense of morality as they move away from tradition and religion

three why not worry about your governemnt who are propping up the jewish state( even if the british set it up)

and lastly as i keep saying ..why worry about british hooligans

lets cocentrate on the suffering of innocent muslims and see whar wecan do about that
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

If we keep the post factual there is no need for emotionalism.

This has nothing to do with Americans being racist. I can write a book about that.

You are not currently residing in the UK nor have you given me facts as to why you are of the opinion that the rioters are selfish. What are the factors that have contributed to the current economic crisis in the UK. The end result being the riots and looting. Please find out the difference between London and the City of London.

This is a response to an economic crisis in the UK with similar responses across Europe. What are the factors that led to this economic crisis. Why are the underclass angry.

A person is not born angry. A person becomes angry for a reason.
What specifically is happening in the UK that has led the indigenous youth to riot.

The OP asked a question and we are trying to discern an answer.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

Personally I see that most of those rioters are just spoiled kids whose believe that it is duty of society to give them free money without they need to make hard work for it. Now those spoiled kids show they demands by robbering, burning and destroying others property and beating and even kill innocent people. To banks or the owner class they don´t cause any real harm.

Why they behave like this way? Have they parents forgot to teach them what is right and what is wrong and by making work for your dreams you may reach them one day - not as going to robber some shopt whose owner will get financial trouble after that?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

That is what we are trying to discuss. And no-one has given me any proof that is the case.

I came across this:http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Rioting+underclass+Brits+long+history/5265696/story.html.

It is too easy to blame the poor for being the poor. I find it very hard to understand why the Muslims have no compassion for the poor.

Show me the evidence that the underclass does not exist in the UK. Show me the numbers that there is no gap in the income levels of the rich and the poor. Show me why these are spoiled racist kids. Show me why these poor have educational opportunities and more importantly job opportunities.

What I am detecting are royalist. Those who will support the oppressors of the poor.
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
There are a variety of factors.... yes! And no denying Brits too like elsewhere in world, when pushed to corner, they too react. Class, Educated ... Cilivlized they are just notions, in my opinion. True color is when you put something to test.

And I feel the youth have managed to do whatever they are doing. That is they see a need to express themselves. And they are expressing it. Its not organized its sporadic, its mindless, its violent... are the many tags to it. There for sure, something is lacking and its not been addressed and hence the violent reactions.

Some might say that its the spoilt brats. So does it mean the Society there let them get rot and get spoilt? Does it mean that in UK, the older generation have lost touch with the pulse of the upcoming generation??

[just different viewpoints]
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

When I view the videos it makes me sick. The youths are hurting those who are in the same boat.

But to resolve the evil we can not be evil.

Someone has to stand up and say NO. The anger does not allow thought. Did anyone take the time to think who will pay for the destruction. It will not be the bankers.

The only solution is for Muslim men to take over. Walk down those streets with the praises of Allah upon your tongue. The youth have not seen the power of pious men. They have been imprisoned in their ghettos being fed what they are missing. No-one has told them the most important thing they are missing.

It is not idealistic. It is simple.
 
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