What are we supposed to do when our lands are taken from us by force?

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

I had this Question in mind for a while, what are we supposed to do if a non-muslim regime tries to or occupies our (muslim) land?
 

sachin4islam

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

About your signature: Freemixing is Haram. Don't you think it is extreme extremism?. I suppose we should go for moderate way. I think this extreme isolation between two kinds of human beings viz men and women is not a natural approach. You can't segregate completely two strains of a single species.

Pardon me if it hurts you.

Regards.
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Assalamu`alaykum warahmatullahi Wabarakatu

Attacked countries should defend themselves. If a Muslim country is attacked, it becomes obligatory upon all who are eligible for Jihad in the country to defend themselves so as to hit back at the attacking enemy.

This is what shaykh saleh al fawzaan had answered when asked upon defending Iraaq, Palestine etc
 

Precious Star

Junior Member
Assalamu`alaykum warahmatullahi Wabarakatu

Attacked countries should defend themselves. If a Muslim country is attacked, it becomes obligatory upon all who are eligible for Jihad in the country to defend themselves so as to hit back at the attacking enemy.

This is what shaykh saleh al fawzaan had answered when asked upon defending Iraaq, Palestine etc

jihad is fighting for the cause of islam.

Read the original question carefully. The question pertains to attacks on Muslim countries. There are very few muslim countries in the world right now. Just because a country is populated by muslims, does not mean it is muslim country; most of these countries in fact are secular.

Iraq, for example, is not a muslim country. It had and has a secular government. There was absolutely nothing Islamic about Sadam Hussain's policies and in fact some of his top advisors were not even muslim.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
:salam2:

I had this Question in mind for a while, what are we supposed to do if a non-muslim regime tries to or occupies our (muslim) land?

:wasalam:

Common sense tells me ,we should resist the occupation of our lands,if by a disbelieving armies.We shouldn't simply give in.Maybe something like when mongols invaded the muslim lands?
Jihad fil hurriye or is it Jihad fee sabilillah.
A scholar can explain better I guess,inshaAllah.
 

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

About your signature: Freemixing is Haram. Don't you think it is extreme extremism?. I suppose we should go for moderate way. I think this extreme isolation between two kinds of human beings viz men and women is not a natural approach. You can't segregate completely two strains of a single species.

Pardon me if it hurts you.

Regards.

:salam2:

I am not hurt. I don't think this is extremism. Anything that leads to haraam is haraam. Anything that leads to zina is zina. Freemixing leads to zina. In my Jahilliya (ignorant days) i had the fare share of the experience. I know personally how free-mixing takes the nation to the doom. Besides the proper Islamic verdict is that freemixing is haraam. This is moderate. Moderate does not always means that it favors your choice or desire. Some might take the complete prohibition of alcohol as extreme and argue that a little won't hurt. But there is only one true way, the seerat-al-Mustaqeem. May Allaah save us and guide us to the seerat-al-Mustaqeem.
 

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
jihad is fighting for the cause of islam.

Read the original question carefully. The question pertains to attacks on Muslim countries. There are very few muslim countries in the world right now. Just because a country is populated by muslims, does not mean it is muslim country; most of these countries in fact are secular.

Iraq, for example, is not a muslim country. It had and has a secular government. There was absolutely nothing Islamic about Sadam Hussain's policies and in fact some of his top advisors were not even muslim.

Sister, my question is not about an Islamic state, as there are none right now with khilafa. I am talking about muslim lands (lands where most are muslim). And jihad is also fighting against oppression.

Brother Abu Talib, can I have the fatwa by sheikh fawzan ? That means every able muslim should go defend filistin from the zionist regime and so is in afghanistan and iraq. In case that they are not being able to defend themselves ?

And by the way my question is not for nationalistic countries, rather muslim lands. My question is concerning the ummaah.
 

sachin4islam

Junior Member
:salam2:

I am not hurt. I don't think this is extremism. Anything that leads to haraam is haraam. Anything that leads to zina is zina. Freemixing leads to zina. In my Jahilliya (ignorant days) i had the fare share of the experience. I know personally how free-mixing takes the nation to the doom. Besides the proper Islamic verdict is that freemixing is haraam. This is moderate. Moderate does not always means that it favors your choice or desire. Some might take the complete prohibition of alcohol as haraam and argue that a little won't hurt. But there is only one true way, the seerat-al-Mustaqeem. May Allaah save us and guide us to the seerat-al-Mustaqeem.

Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

During my visit to Egypt,a day I was wandering a market in Cairo to meet a buyer of my product. It was heavily crowded with both men and women. I myself collided with many sisters. This sort of free-mixing isn't Islamic etiquette. As far such types of free-mixing is concerned I am with you. But total isolation of both genders doesn't seem natural.

Yes,your reply is convincing.

Regards.
 

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

During my visit to Egypt,a day I was wandering a market in Cairo to meet a buyer of my product. It was heavily crowded with both men and women. I myself collided with many sisters. This sort of free-mixing isn't Islamic etiquette. As far such types of free-mixing is concerned I am with you. But total isolation of both genders doesn't seem natural.

Yes,your reply is convincing.

Regards.

:salam2:

I dont have the reference right now but there is probably a hadith that says that the Prophet :saw: said that Market places are the worst of places. Someone else might correct me, insha Allaah. Allaah knows best.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

To deviate..the marketplace is the duyna in a nutshell. The dua is:

In the name of Allah. Our Lord I ask You the good of this market and the best of what is int it. And I seek refuge with You of its evil and the evil of what is in it. Our Lord I seek refuge with You to pronounce with it a dissolute oath or a forfeited deal. ( Abu-Tabarni and Al-Hakem).

Freemixing. Once you step out of the duyna it is not a big deal.

Now back to this very interesting topic.
 

Astrugglingsoul

Junior Member
:salam2:
brother mohammedmaksudul in one of your previous thread you said

Unless until a ruler becomes a kaafir, even if he is one of the most wretched Zalimun on the earth Muslims are supposed to obey him.

so follow your leader. if your leader wants to fight, then fight for your land. you can't do anything by yourself against a non-Muslim regime i think.
 

islamirama

www.netmuslims.com
Assalaam walaikum,

To deviate..the marketplace is the duyna in a nutshell. The dua is:

In the name of Allah. Our Lord I ask You the good of this market and the best of what is int it. And I seek refuge with You of its evil and the evil of what is in it. Our Lord I seek refuge with You to pronounce with it a dissolute oath or a forfeited deal. ( Abu-Tabarni and Al-Hakem).

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The most beloved places on Earth to Allah are its mosques, and the most despised places on Earth to Allah are its markets.” [Sahîh Muslim]

http://en.islamtoday.net/quesshow-39-822.htm

Freemixing.

Evidence Prohibiting of Mixing of Men and Women
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/1200


Now back to this very interesting topic.
:salam2:
brother mohammedmaksudul in one of your previous thread you said

so follow your leader. if your leader wants to fight, then fight for your land. you can't do anything by yourself against a non-Muslim regime i think.

I disagree. If the rulers are in bed with the enemies of Islam and massacring it's own people, then he has given up his rights over his people.


:salam2:

I had this Question in mind for a while, what are we supposed to do if a non-muslim regime tries to or occupies our (muslim) land?

Physical jihad against the kaafirs becomes obligatory in four cases, which are:



1 – When the Muslim is present in a jihad situation.
2 – When the enemy has come and attacked a Muslim land
3 – When the ruler mobilizes the people, they must respond.
4 – When a person is needed and no one else can do the task except him.


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:



Jihad is obligatory and becomes fard ‘ayn if a person is present where fighting is going on. This is the first of the situations in which jihad becomes an individual obligation, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



“O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them.


And whoever turns his back to them on such a day — unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), — he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allaah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!”


[al-Anfaal 8:16]


http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20214
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
Sister, my question is not about an Islamic state, as there are none right now with khilafa. I am talking about muslim lands (lands where most are muslim). And jihad is also fighting against oppression.
Brother Abu Talib, can I have the fatwa by sheikh fawzan ? That means every able muslim should go defend filistin from the zionist regime and so is in afghanistan and iraq. In case that they are not being able to defend themselves ?

And by the way my question is not for nationalistic countries, rathemuslim lands. My question is concerning the ummaah.

In that fatwa the Shaykh said that a foriegner Muslim needs permission from his parents. But for the inhabitants of that land Jihaad is there
 

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
In that fatwa the Shaykh said that a foriegner Muslim needs permission from his parents. But for the inhabitants of that land Jihaad is there

I guess that is when it is Fard Kefaya, obligatory on the community as a whole. If enough people undertake it, then the rest are relieved of the duty.

But, what happens when the muslims of that land are not being able to repel the enemy or badly need help. What then ?
 
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