Beginning my studies...

Robert.

New Member
I am going to study religion. For very long I have been a staunch atheist, but I feel I may have been somewhat closed minded. Also, I have this extreme urge to study Islam (I converted to it prematurely a year ago, only to change my mind). So, I intend to study religion and keep an open mind. I will use this thread for any questions I may have, if that is ok.
Thanks very much.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Good luck.

Keep an open mind, be receptive to what you are learning about, and feel free to ask whatever you like.
 

Tomtom

Banned
As'alaamu Alaikkum

OK don't forget to come back and ask questions here, we all want to save you from the hell fire.

Regards,
 

Robert.

New Member
I've begun reading the Qu'ran, I'm on the fourth Sura. I must say that it is a joy to read (I do know that the original Arabic is the only true Qu'ran, however).
I have a question, as well.
Do you need to read the Bible as well in order to understand the context of the Qu'ran (there are some pars which are confusing me slightly) or does it clarify everything?
I've been getting a really nice feeling reading this book, I must say.
 

serena77

Junior Member
salaams robert
No.. the bible isnt needed also. The two books do not go hand in hand. just like for christians they don't turn around and read the Qu'ran to understand the bible ... some some read both... and some others might learn a bit if they also read the Qu'ran.
Serena
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Do not read the Bible simply because it has nothing to do with Islam. Focus on Qur'an. I'm sure you have questions after reading, just post here the name of the chapter and the verse you do not understand. We will try to help to explain.
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
salaams robert
No.. the bible isnt needed also. The two books do not go hand in hand. just like for christians they don't turn around and read the Qu'ran to understand the bible ... some some read both... and some others might learn a bit if they also read the Qu'ran.
Serena

Do not read the Bible simply because it has nothing to do with Islam. Focus on Qur'an. I'm sure you have questions after reading, just post here the name of the chapter and the verse you do not understand. We will try to help to explain.

I've begun reading the Qu'ran, I'm on the fourth Sura. I must say that it is a joy to read (I do know that the original Arabic is the only true Qu'ran, however).
I have a question, as well.
Do you need to read the Bible as well in order to understand the context of the Qu'ran (there are some pars which are confusing me slightly) or does it clarify everything?
I've been getting a really nice feeling reading this book, I must say.

:::

ASALAAM ALEYKUM

robert, muslims usually even here do start with "asalaam aleykum' and dont see u have so far (as u said you want to learn to tht is why i pointed out.
thank you.

now ref to your question. 1

to Me Yes i have to study Bible (which i did/on it::pLUS hindu Manu book, Buddhas for sure TALMUD) and for your information Jews, they take special care to teach their children Kuran Kareem.

( I like this question and information of yours you have given)
thank you.

About learning your 4th sura

i could not make it which one

4th Surah 111. Al-Lahab


Surah 4. An-Nisa

please reply as to be clear; as u said you could not understand arabic sylabes C, U are here and too are Wii.....

just point out the Surat or verse.

thank you

Allah Kareem
 

Tomtom

Banned
I've begun reading the Qu'ran, I'm on the fourth Sura. I must say that it is a joy to read (I do know that the original Arabic is the only true Qu'ran, however).
I have a question, as well.
Do you need to read the Bible as well in order to understand the context of the Qu'ran (there are some pars which are confusing me slightly) or does it clarify everything?
I've been getting a really nice feeling reading this book, I must say.

As'alaamu Alaikkum Robert

I'm glad that you have started to read the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. :)

To answer your question YES you will need to read the Holy Bible as well because it gives you the history of the earlier prophets and although the Bible is corrupted you will discern truth from fiction once you read the Holy Qur'an. You will also understand why Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala turned away from the Children of Israel due to their continuing disobedience etc. What most Muslims don't realise is that 90% of what is in the Holy Qur'an is also in the Holy Bible. It's a shame that most Muslims disrespect the Holy Bible, it is also the words of Allah Subhana Wa T'ala albeit corrupted by man.
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
As'alaamu Alaikkum Robert

I'm glad that you have started to read the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. :)

To answer your question YES you will need to read the Holy Qur'an as well because it gives you the history of the earlier prophets and although the Bible is corrupted you will discern truth from fiction once you read the Holy Qur'an. You will also understand why Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala turned away from the Children of Israel due to their continuing disobedience etc. What most Muslims don't realise is that 90% of what is in the Holy Qur'an is also in the Holy Bible. It's a shame that most Muslims disrespect the Holy Bible, it is also the words of Allah Subhana Wa T'ala albeit corrupted by man.

wa aleykum salaam.

To me, i take those errors committed by late and (nearby the sons of Jacob(bani Israel) humans...AS a lesson to be learnt, and of course NOT CRITICIZING THEM,(as usually is being done) while we are suppose to follow the those teachings by words and deeds but alas !!..daily practice of "words" but not "ACTION taken as it should"

Even you can find a good percentage of Kuran Translation are NOT convincing just take surat AL FATIHA.

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(1:7) The way of those whom You have favoured *9, who did not incur Your wrath, who are not astray *10.


*9. This defines the 'straight way' which we ask God to open to us. It is the way which has always been followed by those who have enjoyed God's favours and blessings. This is the way which has been trodden from the beginning of time by all those individuals and communities that have unfailingly enjoyed God's favours and blessings.
*10. This makes it clear that the recipients of God's favour are not those who appear, briefly, to enjoy worldly prosperity and success; all too often, these people are among those whom God has condemned because they have lost sight of the true path of salvation and happiness. This negative explanation makes it quite clear that in'am (favour) denotes all those real and abiding favours and blessings which one receives in reward for righteous conduct through God's approval and pleasure, rather than those apparent and fleeting favours which the Pharaohs, Nimrods and Korahs (Qaruns) used to receive in the past, and which are enjoyed even today by people notorious for oppression, evil and corruption.

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You can check with other translation...

(straight they interpenetrated as Yahood wa nasara??????)

ALLAH;(Jala Jalaaluhu) admonishes

and present scholars..criticizes/critisize for a thing which themselves commit...WHERE ARE WE
wake up young Muslims.
....i dont think that is good-or right SIRAT taught by and through Kuran.

BUT It should be for them(the scholars to keep on advising/us and those Whose hands are controlling the UMMAT)
to do ...DEED...DEEDS ....deeds
GOOD DEEDS.

thank you.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
As'alaamu Alaikkum Robert

I'm glad that you have started to read the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. :)

To answer your question YES you will need to read the Holy Bible as well because it gives you the history of the earlier prophets and although the Bible is corrupted you will discern truth from fiction once you read the Holy Qur'an. You will also understand why Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala turned away from the Children of Israel due to their continuing disobedience etc. What most Muslims don't realise is that 90% of what is in the Holy Qur'an is also in the Holy Bible. It's a shame that most Muslims disrespect the Holy Bible, it is also the words of Allah Subhana Wa T'ala albeit corrupted by man.

Brother, you are confusing your self between the Bible and the Injil. The Bible can never be Injil, corrupted text can never be a source to any religion as it no longer reliable. From where you learn that 90% of Qur'an contain in the Bible? This brother Robert is here to learn Islam pls do not confuse him.
 

Tomtom

Banned
Brother, you are confusing your self between the Bible and the Injil. The Bible can never be Injil, corrupted text can never be a source to any religion as it no longer reliable. From where you learn that 90% of Qur'an contain in the Bible? This brother Robert is here to learn Islam pls do not confuse him.

As'alaamu Alaikkum

In Christianity the Torah and the books of the Prophets leading up to Prophet Isa (pbuh) are called the Old Testament and the Injeel of Isa (pbuh) is called the New Testament and they are collectively called the Holy Bible.

If you have never read the Holy Bible then you woud not know that at least 90% of the Holy Qur'an in in the Holy Bible. I don't think I'm confusing the brother as I'm sure he has read the Holy Bible before, and he will find the similarities when he will begin to study the Holy Qur'an.

Btw in my honest opinion it makes it easier to understand the Holy Qur'an once you have read the entire Bible. :) The reason is that there are instances in the Holy Qur'an where the incidents are abbreviated and it has a running commentary in the Bible. :)

EXAMPLE

About Prophet Adam
About Prophet Nuh
About Prophet Ibraheem
About Prophet Musa
About prophet Isa
About ALL the other prophets of Allah Subhan Wa Ta'ala and peace and blessings of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala be with them all. Ameen.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
As'alaamu Alaikkum

In Christianity the Torah and the books of the Prophets leading up to Prophet Isa (pbuh) are called the Old Testament and the Injeel of Isa (pbuh) is called the New Testament and they are collectively called the Holy Bible.

If you have never read the Holy Bible then you woud not know that at least 90% of the Holy Qur'an in in the Holy Bible. I don't think I'm confusing the brother as I'm sure he has read the Holy Bible before, and he will find the similarities when he will begin to study the Holy Qur'an.

but what people are saying is we dont nedd the bible we have the quran .........which is everything we can possibly need
 

Tomtom

Banned
but what people are saying is we dont nedd the bible we have the quran .........which is everything we can possibly need

Indeed this is true, what I'm saying is that the Holy Qur'an is easier to understand once one has read the Holy Bible even with the errors.
 

Tomtom

Banned
how do u mean

Well like I said above the Holy Bible chronicles the lives of the Prophets in detail. The Holy Qur'an only mentions them in passing. When the Holy Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) he was told that the Torah and the Injeel were also revelations from Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala therefore they are also holy words in written form. The Holy Qur'an confirms the former books, it does not condemn it except the corruption that was made to it by man. So it is still the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. However, after reading the Holy Qur'an those errors are corrected by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. For example, the birth of Isa (pbuh) is explained more fully in the Holy Qur'an as we are told that Isa (pbuh) spoke from the cradle. This miracle is essential to be recognised as Mary, the mother of Isa (pbuh) was a very pious woman and the Holy Qur'an says that she went away to the East to have the child. So imagine when she came back to her family with a child in her arms, she was not married at the time. So by Jewish law she would have been stoned to death. The reason she was not is because Isa (pbuh) spoke to her family and the people of the town confirming that Mary was innocent and that he was a messenger of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Wa'alaikumusalam.

I strongly disagree. The Gospels are said to be the Injeel. Inside NT you have the 4 Gospels, Paul's Epistles, Acts etc. Have you ever read the original Injeel? How do you confirm the Gospels is the Injeel when the original Injeel is no longer exist? Paul's epistles are included as part of NT, who is Paul? Yes, there are similarities between Qur'an and part of Bible's verses, but both are not the same, similarities yes but not 90%.

The Torah, is part of Old Testament and OT contains list of books. Bible is from Greek words which means "list of books" or simply "the books" because you have either 66 or 72 books depend to which deno you belong. The Injeel was given to Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) who spoke Aramaic, not bible and not the gospels.

You mentioned it was corrupted, if it was corrupted in can never be words of God anymore and can never a reliable source. As Muslims we even reject false hadith, needless to say bible which was confirmed to be corrupted.
 

Tomtom

Banned
Wa'alaikumusalam.

I strongly disagree. The Gospels are said to be the Injeel. Inside NT you have the 4 Gospels, Paul's Epistles, Acts etc. Have you ever read the original Injeel? How do you confirm the Gospels is the Injeel when the original Injeel is no longer exist? Paul's epistles are included as part of NT, who is Paul? Yes, there are similarities between Qur'an and part of Bible's verses, but both are not the same, similarities yes but not 90%.

The Torah, is part of Old Testament and OT contains list of books. Bible is from Greek words which means "list of books" or simply "the books" because you have either 66 or 72 books depend to which deno you belong. The Injeel was given to Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) who spoke Aramaic, not bible and not the gospels.

You mentioned it was corrupted, if it was corrupted in can never be words of God anymore and can never a reliable source. As Muslims we even reject false hadith, needless to say bible which was confirmed to be corrupted.

As'allamu alaikkum hard rock

What I meant to say was that the Injeel was part of the New Testament.
 

Tomtom

Banned
Oh by the way, reading the Holy Bible on it's own one would be so confused, as I was, the Holy Qur'an diminishes this confusion as Allah Subhana Wa T'ala Himself clearly corrects the Bible. One of the reasons why I reverted was because of this clarity in the Holy Qur'an.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
He is an atheist currently and is here to study Islam not Christianity. In Islam our sources are the Holy Qur'an, authenthic Hadith, Ijma' and Qias of the ulama. From where did you bring the bible as one of the source to study Islam? I don't want to hijack this thread hence I don't want to say more.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
Hello Robert,
I would like to congratulate you on your decision about reading Qur'an and I pray that Allah may guide you.Ameen.
We Muslims believe that the Bible has been distorted and tampered with by Christian scholars, and it now contains falsehoods and myths that no one with a sound mind can believe.
So I advice you to read Qur'an only and if you have any difficulty in understanding it,please feel free to ask those who know.
I would also like to advice you to read the seerah(Biography ) of Prophet Muhammad :saw:.There is a very good seerah called, "The sealed nectar" or Ar Raheeq al makhtum by Sheikh Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri.You can find it online or you can order it,as you wish.
 
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