Beginning my studies...

Tomtom

Banned
He is an atheist currently and is here to study Islam not Christianity. In Islam our sources are the Holy Qur'an, authenthic Hadith, Ijma' and Qias of the ulama. From where did you bring the bible as one of the source to study Islam? I don't want to hijack this thread hence I don't want to say more.

Easy hard rock, all I said was that reading the Holy Qur'an becomes a bit easier after you have read the Holy Bible because one would recognise the Prophets and their situations as mentioned in the Holy Qur'an. For example, in the Holy Qur'an Prophet Musa (pbuh) is mentioned a few times, and on reading the Holy Bible one would become familiar with Prophet Musa (pbuh) and his exodus from Egypt and the pharoah if one reads the Holy Bible. There is no harm in reading the Holy Bible as long as one understands that it has been corrupted.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Hello Robert,
I would like to congratulate you on your decision about reading Qur'an and I pray that Allah may guide you.Ameen.
We Muslims believe that the Bible has been distorted and tampered with by Christian scholars, and it now contains falsehoods and myths that no one with a sound mind can believe.
So I advice you to read Qur'an only and if you have any difficulty in understanding it,please feel free to ask those who know.
I would also like to advice you to read the seerah(Biography ) of Prophet Muhammad :saw:.There is a very good seerah called, "The sealed nectar" or Ar Raheeq al makhtum by Sheikh Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri.You can find it online or you can order it,as you wish.

Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Alhmadulillah, you gave good advice dear brother. :tti_sister:

I also agree with you and other brothers and sisters that it is not neccessery that one non Muslim read Bible in order to understand Quran, because as Muslims we know perfectly well that Christians changed words of Allah Astagfirullah.

But beside that, Allah subhanhu wa teala has made perfect His deen and explained everything to all mankind in Quran and of course in the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Mohammed sallahu alayha wa saalam.

And Allah knows the best.

May Allah guide you brother Robert to Islam. Ameen ya Rabb

:wasalam:
 

Robert.

New Member
I've read the fifth sura.mI have a question. It says in this sura that Muslims are closer to Christians than Jews. Is this correct, or have I misinterpreted?
 

Tomtom

Banned
I've read the fifth sura.mI have a question. It says in this sura that Muslims are closer to Christians than Jews. Is this correct, or have I misinterpreted?

As'alaamu Alaikkum

I think you are referring to the following verse.

Sahih International
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. 5:82

If you are, then take a look at this tasfir which will explain that verse more clearly.

* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُواْ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوۤاْ إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ ذٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَاناً وَأَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ }

You, O Muhammad (s), will truly find the most hostile of people to those who believe to be the Jews and the idolaters, of Mecca, because of the intensity of their disbelief, ignorance and utter preoccupation with following whims; and you will truly find the nearest of them in love to those who believe to be those who say ‘Verily, we are Christians’; that, nearness of theirs in love to the believers is, because some of them are priests, scholars, and monks, devout worshippers, and because they are not disdainful, of following the truth, as the Jews and the Meccans are.

Hope this helps.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
I've begun reading the Qu'ran, I'm on the fourth Sura. I must say that it is a joy to read (I do know that the original Arabic is the only true Qu'ran, however).
I have a question, as well.
Do you need to read the Bible as well in order to understand the context of the Qu'ran (there are some pars which are confusing me slightly) or does it clarify everything?
I've been getting a really nice feeling reading this book, I must say.

I'm sure you've read the Bible before but if not, don't worry because you definitely DO NOT need it.

There are some similarities but overall it can be confusing. As a born Muslim, I've read the Bible and it confused ME about the facts that both Christianity and Islam have in common. It can really mess with your head, and as you're still searching, you don't need the added confusion right now.

This isn't a study of comparative religions and if that were the case for you and you were looking to learn about the errors of Christianity, I would then recommend that you read the Bible. Otherwise, it's unnecessary.

For clarification on historical figures, civilizations and occurrences, you can turn to another ISLAMIC source titled "Qisas al-Anbiya" by Ibn Kathir. It means "Stories of the Prophets" and is the most extensive and widely used literary work for Muslims who want to learn more about past Prophets, Messengers and civilizations, of which many are in the Bible and Torah as well.

Again reading the Bible is not a prerequisite for the Quran. Alhamdulillah Muslims have their own VALID and UNCORRUPTED sources. We have no need to turn to a corrupted one.

Best of luck.
 

Tomtom

Banned
I'm sure you've read the Bible before but if not, don't worry because you definitely DO NOT need it.

There are some similarities but overall it can be confusing. As a born Muslim, I've read the Bible and it confused ME about the facts that both Christianity and Islam have in common. It can really mess with your head, and as you're still searching, you don't need the added confusion right now.

This isn't a study of comparative religions and if that were the case for you and you were looking to learn about the errors of Christianity, I would then recommend that you read the Bible. Otherwise, it's unnecessary.

For clarification on historical figures, civilizations and occurrences, you can turn to another ISLAMIC source titled "Qisas al-Anbiya" by Ibn Kathir. It means "Stories of the Prophets" and is the most extensive and widely used literary work for Muslims who want to learn more about past Prophets, Messengers and civilizations, of which many are in the Bible and Torah as well.

Again reading the Bible is not a prerequisite for the Quran. Alhamdulillah Muslims have their own VALID and UNCORRUPTED sources. We have no need to turn to a corrupted one.

Best of luck.

As'alaamu Alaikkum

Where would Ibn Kathir get his sources from?
 

serena77

Junior Member
Originally Posted by kashif_nazeer
Hello Robert,
I would like to congratulate you on your decision about reading Qur'an and I pray that Allah may guide you.Ameen.
We Muslims believe that the Bible has been distorted and tampered with by Christian scholars, and it now contains falsehoods and myths that no one with a sound mind can believe. ** end quote

When i was at the university i actually took a bible as literature course. It was very definite on how the bible had been so distorted. Often times, it may not have been intentional, but you take translation upon translation where you lose the true meaning of the original word and that happens w/ word after word, in translation after ranslation and you won't have the original no matter what that first version may have said.
Serena
 

Kakorot

Junior Member
But with the Qur'aan and hadith together there is of some sort.

In the Qur'aan, the stories of the Prophets (peace be upon them) are mentioned in some detail, like the story of Yusuf, Ibraaheem, Adam, Suleiman, 'Isa etc. and there are hadith narrations which explain more as well.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Well that would be very difficult as there isn't a comprehensive narration in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadiths. Go check if you don't believe me.

That's a given.

So is the fact that Bukhari and Muslim (closely followed by Tirmidhi) ahadith are the most authentic Hadith collections in history. In depth analyses of ahadith have been provided by scholarly consensus throughout the world. How you ask?

Even my Sunday School 4th graders would be able to tell you that.

Because the process of disseminating knowledge has been passed down starting from the earliest generations of Islam. From the Sahaba, to the Ta'abie'en to the Taba Ta'abe'en, the knowledge and verification process has been consistent.

I give them more weight than the individuals that butchered the Injil and Torah. What's to be said of the evangelists that edited them? Where was the validation process there?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

The reading and listening to the Quran is a life-changing experience. Once you are done with that you want to learn more..you study seerah of the Prophet ( may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him ) and then it is all good. All good.
 

Hatty

Junior Member
I wish you all the best in your studies. I am sure you will do very well...

So was it easy to accept the religion of atheism and reject Allah and His message?

Is there a revelation for such a belief? and can you provide an evidence of the truthfulness of its message?
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Easy hard rock, all I said was that reading the Holy Qur'an becomes a bit easier after you have read the Holy Bible because one would recognise the Prophets and their situations as mentioned in the Holy Qur'an. For example, in the Holy Qur'an Prophet Musa (pbuh) is mentioned a few times, and on reading the Holy Bible one would become familiar with Prophet Musa (pbuh) and his exodus from Egypt and the pharoah if one reads the Holy Bible. There is no harm in reading the Holy Bible as long as one understands that it has been corrupted.

Is there such thing corrupted "Holy Bible"? Why you need bible to understand better Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) exodus from Egypt and Islam already has reliable sources? Are you undermining Islamic sources? Yes there is no harm reading bible but for Robert it is better he learn Islam from Islamic sources first.
 

Tomtom

Banned
Is there such thing corrupted "Holy Bible"? Why you need bible to understand better Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) exodus from Egypt and Islam already has reliable sources? Are you undermining Islamic sources? Yes there is no harm reading bible but for Robert it is better he learn Islam from Islamic sources first.

Look hard rock all I'm saying is that when he reads the Holy Qur'an and the Prophets of Allah are mentioned, then it will be easier to relate to that Prophet if he has an understanding of the trials they went through. It would be easier for Robert to relate to that Prophet if he knew their circumstances and their struggle. Contrary to popular belief there are only minimal alterations, the vast majority of the Holy Bible is still the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. If I can give you an example then take the story or Prophet Lut, in the Bible it says that one of his daughters seduced him unknowingly and had sexual intercourse with him. Another is that Prophet Nuh got drunk on the Ark and exposed himself. Now, we all know that the Prophets of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala are all pious and God fearing people and they would never resort to such things. So the only explanation that we can conclude is that the Jewish scribes with the whisperings of satan changed the verses and added their own literature to the Bible.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Tomtom,

I'm sorry for nagging you. As Muslim brother I'm not happy you call Bible as "holy". As Muslims we only recognise Qur'an and Sunnah.

You see brother, the story of Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) is one clear example that the bible is distorted. It has since lost its holiness. Secondly Bible is not the "Injeel" revealed to Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) as such it can never be "holy". A cup of milk once you add a spoon of cow urine, the milk will lose its purity, it will bring more harm than good if consumed. How many % of Bible is word of God is not important because as soon as it was confirm distorted it can no longer deemed word of God. I agree no harm reading Bible, I do read Bible for comparison purpose but you don't need Bible to teach Islam to new Muslim. Robert is an atheist, why he needs to read Bible to learn Islam? Again, accept my apology if I wronged you.
 

Tomtom

Banned
Tomtom,

I'm sorry for nagging you. As Muslim brother I'm not happy you call Bible as "holy". As Muslims we only recognise Qur'an and Sunnah.

You see brother, the story of Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) is one clear example that the bible is distorted. It has since lost its holiness. Secondly Bible is not the "Injeel" revealed to Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) as such it can never be "holy". A cup of milk once you add a spoon of cow urine, the milk will lose its purity, it will bring more harm than good if consumed. How many % of Bible is word of God is not important because as soon as it was confirm distorted it can no longer deemed word of God. I agree no harm reading Bible, I do read Bible for comparison purpose but you don't need Bible to teach Islam to new Muslim. Robert is an atheist, why he needs to read Bible to learn Islam? Again, accept my apology if I wronged you.

You didn't wrong me bro the LOOK part was a soft look........I suppose I should practice my writing skills with humility.......
 
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