Does Islam Permit Muslim Men to Rape Their Slave Girls?

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
As I said - the article was a polemic and fails to recognize that we now live in the 21st century and not the 1st century.
You live in fourteenth century, according to the hijri calender. Does that make any difference?

Islam and its practice and teachings are not "confined" and "defined" by the age or century you live in. It's the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If even in this 21st or 14th century, you attack a state ruled by Islam and lose. They'll take your prisoners as slaves and it will be permitted to them by what will rule them i.e Qur'an and Sunnah. "You" fail to recognize the "main" point of this thread. It is about explaining the permissible and prohibited stuff in related to slaves btw.

The Bible also sanctions all sorts of other behaviour which we now find abhorrent. Stoned anyone lately? How about burning an ox in your backyard?
I don't care what they "do". I care about what is in "their Book". If they have stoning and burning oxen in their books, they should keep their beautiful lips together. Since they don't. Learnt people tell them off for their lies and what they have in their books. It's about time we separate the "actions" of people from the "teachings" of the Religion, if we are to understand a religion or choose it.
All of these things are against the law in some form - well they are if you live in a Western country.
So the OP question is a non question - rape is against the law.
They are against the law "around" the world. The point I'm trying to make is, we are discussing "Islamic Law" here, which is valid for practice when there are Muslims in a Muslims. So no, the question isn't a non question.

So you accept the lie because you have little faith.
Lie? Could you please explain why I'm accused of such a thing? I don't advocates lies=(
wa`alaikum salaam warahmatullaahi wabaraakatuh!

Awesome, indeed!=) I'm about halfway through it, hopefully I'll be done by tomorrow! (kiddin'- tonight maybe...)

Yeah. I know it's long, but you will have no regrets Inshaa'Allaah *Smile*.
I just rcently heard of such cases... and I've yet to understand it! How does one *rape* his wife?:confused: Subhaanallah, what has the world come to?
How would I know? Trust me ukht, I'm a girl not someone's husband (Just kidding ukht.)
But Jazaakillaahu khayr for sharing this. I've always wanted to look more into this issue- 'bout time I did!:)
BaraakAllaahu feeki.
 

rivergum

Junior Member
They are against the law "around" the world. The point I'm trying to make is, we are discussing "Islamic Law" here, which is valid for practice when there are Muslims in a Muslims. So no, the question isn't a non question.

That's what I thought - for Islam slavery is valid.

Which I why I won't become a Muslim and will advocate that Islamic law never get's a foothold in my country - Islamic law is barbaric.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
That's what I thought - for Islam slavery is valid.

Which I why I won't become a Muslim and will advocate that Islamic law never get's a foothold in my country - Islamic law is barbaric.

Slavery in Islam is not the same as that in the west,Islam encourages freeing of slaves.
In the West,slaves are to be treated similar to animals while in Islam they are to be treated with mercy and peace and not with transgression.
In the west a slave has no rights,in Islam a slave has rights which must be given to him.

The thing is western ideology and how it creates a false image within the minds of people in relation to other ideologies by giving their ideology as foundation for the projection of other ideologies.
In order to call a law barbaric one has to study it fully,I am not sure if you have studied that.It's a vast subject.I suggest you take your time to study the law before making statements.
The whole Universe which includes Earth is created by God and His laws will prevail,whether people like it or not.
As far as your accepting or not accepting Islam is concerned,it wouldn't change a thing, for it is entirely your choice and the consequences that follow are yours as well.It is between you and God,Whom no one can harm in the least bit.
Qur'an says :

Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your way, and for me is my way."
 

rivergum

Junior Member
Slavery in Islam is not the same as that in the west,Islam encourages freeing of slaves.
In the West,slaves are to be treated similar to animals while in Islam they are to be treated with mercy and peace and not with transgression.


There are no slaves in the West. And if you know of any you should immediately report the matter to the police.

I really struggle to believe you think it OK to keep slaves. This is the 21st century.
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
There are no slaves in the West. And if you know of any you should immediately report the matter to the police.

I really struggle to believe you think it OK to keep slaves. This is the 21st century.

There might not be but there were slaves in the West and the idea of mistreatment of slaves has been embedded in people's heart and mind via teachings from the western ideologies,how else would you explain the mass immigration of african americans?
In fact most of Africa was colonised and slave trade promoted.The kind of slave,which treats humans like animals.
I think I need to repeat myself.
The concept of a slave as promoted by the west is that of an animal without rights.
In Islam everyone is a human being and has rights.
So the problem is not with any law,the problem is in "the thinking" and "attitude".

You are from the west,where people have been raised thinking they are nothing better than an animal so when a person has more authority over others he starts treating those below him as lesser human beings or lets just say animals.
We are muslims,we believe we are not just mere animals and believe everyone is equal in the sight of Allah,no one differs except by piety.

Be it 21st Century or 31t Century,the human beings are same and their original nature upon which they were created will always remain the same.
 

MeGladder

Junior Member
The so called slavery in Islam never really confused me. Slave is an English word. When this word comes into action, we think of the harsh treatment that was carried out by numerous Americans and Britishers in the past. For Islamic treatment, we must look into Islamic sources (Qur'an and authentic Hadiths) ONLY, not the translated word depicting harshness of past in that or any other culture.

I hope everyone will keep this in Mind.
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
That's what I thought - for Islam slavery is valid.

Which I why I won't become a Muslim and will advocate that Islamic law never get's a foothold in my country - Islamic law is barbaric.

Yep slavery is valid. It's not obligatory though. You don't like it. Cool, we agree on something. If ever you get the chance as a Muslim, free your slave as I will. Massive reward opportunity. I won't miss it.

Btw in Islam, you like it or not, slavery is almost similar to the boss-servant relation in the west. Each got rights to the other. You so much as slap a slave, you pay by freeing them if you are a muslim.

If I were you, I would be studying it's basic beliefs and reading the Qur'an and Sunnah to decide weather or not I wanted to become a Muslim. Slavery is allowed, yes. Will I be punished for not keeping a slave, would I be questioned for not having whipped them. No. Why should I even bother about it. If I see someone with a slave, I can't forbid it, but I can do all I can to advise him to free the slave. Or free the slave with money myself. This is my Prophet:saw: sunnah and I ask Allaah to keep me firm on it.

There are no slaves in the West. And if you know of any you should immediately report the matter to the police.
Really? I wonder what would 'Afia's case be called? She's a prisoner? Really? Well, tell you what Slave in Islam has 1000000000 times better condition than my poor sister. Ever thought of that. which police should I contact for 'Afia?
You just don't name it as slavery, doesn't make it any different.

Btw do some research, there are 'actual' slaves in the west. Who are named as 'slaves'.
I really struggle to believe you think it OK to keep slaves. This is the 21st century.
Provided you are able to give them all their rights, yes it is quite ok. Many won't take the risk. Better have no slave than always be at the risk of wronging them and inviting Allaah's wrath.

This is the 21st century, and. . .

I'll end Brother Kashif's way.


Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your way, and for me is my way."
If you accept Islam, you benefit from it. If you don't, none is harmed except you. Your reversion to Islam adds nothing to the what Allaah rules, if you don't, it doesn't causes no reduction in His Might and Majesty. It's purely us and our benefit. Up to you. As a fellow human, I would invite you to Islam, and invite you to success. I sincerely hope for your sake that you don't deny for yourself an eternal peaceful life.

To Allaah We Belong,To Him Shall We Return.
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
Now, rivergum I see a difference in Point of View. 'Treat them worser than animals' is Unislamic.

Quoting from different sources to highlight this difference in point of view.
From: http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/19...ery-in-the-us-in-light-of-the-13th-amendment/

Now, let us compare Western slavery to slavery in Islam; when and how is it allowed to exist. Really, there is nothing for us to be ashamed of as Muslims when it comes to the Islamic concept of slavery. Slavery is essentially Islam's very humane way of dealing with prisoners of war. To quote Br. Nouman Ali Khan on how different societies deal with prisoners of war, “America has Abu Ghurayb and Islam has slavery.” And, of course, I am sure we are all familiar with the way in which a Muslim is commanded to treat his slave, that we are to “feed our slaves with what we feed ourselves” and “clothe our slaves with what we clothe ourselves”; not to mention all the virtues in Islam associated with freeing a slave. Compare this most excellent system with Western slavery, both past and present. There is no comparison. Compare our humane methodology for dealing with POW's with the West's Abu Ghurayb and Guantanamo Bay. There is no comparison whatsoever. Walhamdulillah.

Of course this goes without saying, but regardless of how we perceive any concept in Islam relative to other social norms and customs, we know that Islam is the religion of Allāh, and thus any concept endorsed by the Qur'an and Sunnah is true and of the highest level of morality. As Muslims, we are totally comfortable with this concept, so regardless of how we feel about the concept of slavery in Islam and regardless of how others are or are not practicing slavery, we know that the truth lies in our deen. Walhamdulillaahi Rabbi al'aalameen.


The so called slavery in Islam never really confused me. Slave is an English word. When this word comes into action, we think of the harsh treatment that was carried out by numerous Americans and Britishers in the past. For Islamic treatment, we must look into Islamic sources (Qur'an and authentic Hadiths) ONLY, not the translated word depicting harshness of past in that or any other culture.

I hope everyone will keep this in Mind.



.........What was thrown into stark contrast in this 'debate' is the essential difference between Western and Islamic philosophy.

For Western philosophy it is all about 'individual freedom' - freedom of 'rights' - freedom from constraints.

Islamic philosophy is about responsibilities - individual and collective sanctions that act in concert to complete and maintain society.

The West promotes, hypocritically as it turns out, that individual freedom where the individual is the measure of all things.

Islam promotes individual surrender to a greater ethic where God is the measure of all things.
.............
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
Slavery fully abolished? Slavery in Islam vs. Slavery in the U.S. (in Light of the 13th Amendment)

The full text

From: http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/19...ery-in-the-us-in-light-of-the-13th-amendment/
Title: Slavery in Islam vs. Slavery in the U.S. (in Light of the 13th Amendment)
This is post is not what most might have expected from the title. This is not an article about the (somewhat) trite topic of the inhumane forms of slavery which have once existed in Western society. Rather, this post is about the current form of slavery which still exists today in America. Now, I'm sure everyone here is thinking, “What are you talking about? Slavery in the US was officially abolished in 1865 with the 13th Amendment! Right?” Well, hate to burst the bubbles of the patriotically minded, but such is not the case by any means. A closer look at the 13th amendment will show as falsehood the oft-propagated myth of the abolishment of American slavery.The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

AMENDMENT XIII

Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.​

Note the bold portion in Section 1: except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted!!! (Hats off to Br. Abu Marwah from Boston for pointing out this little loop-hole and sharing with me some very useful points of discussion.)

So, according to the US constitution, slavery, or rather, “involuntary servitude” CAN exist, but only as a punishment for convicts. Anyone here ever heard of prison labor?? Of course we have, and that is EXACTLY the form of slavery that exists in the US today. Essentially, the 1865 amendment changed the rules of the game from enslaving imported African slaves to social outcasts who cannot afford to pay bail or hire a decent lawyer. Not to mention that the concept of the Western prison system in and of itself seems very unjust. Essentially, once a person commits a crime of a certain level of severity, he/she is outcast from normal (and heterosexual!) society and has his very life taken away from him. Alḥamdulillāh for the beauty of Islam. In Islam, in general, the punishment for a crime is carried out all-at-once (e.g. lashing, cutting off of a hand), and given the crime didn't deserve capital punishment, the criminal is then free to move on with his or her life (the main exception I can think of is that of exile for an unmarried adulterer… but even this most just punishment keeps one within the fold of general society). I realize there is ikhtilaf amongst the scholars about the necessity/permissibility of prison for certain other crimes, the punishments of which are not explicitly mentioned in the primary texts, but all the same, that is not comparable to the Western prison system

Now, let us compare Western slavery to slavery in Islam; when and how is it allowed to exist. Really, there is nothing for us to be ashamed of as Muslims when it comes to the Islamic concept of slavery. Slavery is essentially Islam's very humane way of dealing with prisoners of war. To quote Br. Nouman Ali Khan on how different societies deal with prisoners of war, “America has Abu Ghurayb and Islam has slavery.” And, of course, I am sure we are all familiar with the way in which a Muslim is commanded to treat his slave, that we are to “feed our slaves with what we feed ourselves” and “clothe our slaves with what we clothe ourselves”; not to mention all the virtues in Islam associated with freeing a slave. Compare this most excellent system with Western slavery, both past and present. There is no comparison. Compare our humane methodology for dealing with POW's with the West's Abu Ghurayb and Guantanamo Bay. There is no comparison whatsoever. Walhamdulillah.

Of course this goes without saying, but regardless of how we perceive any concept in Islam relative to other social norms and customs, we know that Islam is the religion of Allāh, and thus any concept endorsed by the Qur'an and Sunnah is true and of the highest level of morality. As Muslims, we are totally comfortable with this concept, so regardless of how we feel about the concept of slavery in Islam and regardless of how others are or are not practicing slavery, we know that the truth lies in our deen. Walhamdulillaahi Rabbi al'aalameen.
 

Mairo

Maryama
That's what I thought - for Islam slavery is valid.

Which I why I won't become a Muslim and will advocate that Islamic law never get's a foothold in my country - Islamic law is barbaric.

Islamic law upholds the highest principles of humanity. Calling for truth, justice, rightousness, kindness, mercy, generousity, tolerance, protection of family values, protection of not only human rights but the rights of all creatures, it calls people to the highest values and creation of a moral society. No person has any superiority over any other person except by piety and good action.

There are serious punishments for the most serious crimes, for example that of murder, rape, theft and adultery, as there should be. These are all despicable acts which are deserving of punishment, and the punishments outlined are nothing new but rather the same as you will find in the law that came before. At any rate, these punishments and Islamic law in a Muslim society only apply to those who are Muslim. Any other group of people or other religious group within the society are free to follow their own laws and punishments or lack thereof regarding these matters.

Islam came into a society that was actively practicing slavery and it encouraged the kind treatment and emancipation of slaves. Not to seek to enslave or torture anyone. Thousands of slaves gained their freedom under Islam. As brother Perseverance pointed out, there is still slavery ongoing in the West. Not only the example of sexual slavery, but also take the example of many of the illegal immigrants in the US and other countries. These people are completely marginalized, devoid of any rights, and there are powerful companies that take great advantage of their desperate plight and are able to get away with paying them very little while requiring them to work extremely long days. Most of those involved in farming and food processing industry in the West are of this category of worker. And those in power have not done anything to address this issue, as they also prefer to just continue to benefit from it and keep the status quo.

Allahu alam
 
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