ruling on the niqab

Marina28

Junior Member
salam peeps,
Recently ive been feeling that i might wear the niqab but im not sure..i just wanted to know what the ruling on the niqab.......if i do decide to wear it will i not get a job?because im changing my job soon..salam

edit: also im looking to do a carer job for the elderly is it permissable to see elderly men nakeness?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,

We do what we can to please Allah. So if a sister can wear niqab it is better.

For those of us who have to work we have to use common sense. There are many posts here on TTI that should help you make up your mind. You have to weigh your options. Where do you live? What profession are you undertaking. And what are the reasons you personally wish to wear niqab.

I hold a simple view. As I am a single mother of two and work and have to have transactions ( what I call eye to eye with men ) it is easier for me to be in full hijab. I do not keep eye-contact with men. As I have written before I do the perpendicular stance with my head lowered. I keep interactions to a minimum.

I have worked in places where I was the only Muslim woman. I had complaints about me about hijab. One thing was for sure, I could not hide in a crowd. Even the hijab was a turn-off.

Please take a moment and search the posts on niqab. InshaAllah between that and the responses of the brothers and sisters should help you.
 

Marina28

Junior Member
thank you sister i will,
i dunno lately i just being feeling like it but i dunno if i can with my job..and some british people can be alittle rascist...maybe i make a dua, only allah knows :p but i will be very greatful for any advice.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
Sister Marina, I am starting a job where I will see VERY old men naked as well. I will be assisting them use the restroom, dressing them, showering them, cleaning catheters, etc.
 

*pink niqaabi*

Junior Member
Is it permissible for a women to work in a home for the elderly that is mixed, men and women together, where the workers have to wash the people, both men and women, and change their diapers, or she may have to give them forbidden drinks and meals containing pork? Can a Muslim woman work in this place if she avoids giving the people alcohol and haraam meats? Also please note that she is not allowed to wear anything but a scarf on her head and a knee-length shirt over trousers, on grounds of necessity. Some people have told the women that doing this kind of work is better than being dependent on the social agencies that offer help to families whose head is out of work.

Praise be to Allaah.

With regard to offering alcohol and pork to the residents of the home for the elderly, this is undoubtedly haraam, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed ten types of people with regard to alcohol, including the one who carries it and the one who pours it. It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed ten types of people with regard to wine: the one who presses (the grapes), the one for whom it is pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1295; Abu Dawood, 3674). So it is not permissible to carry it or serve it and to be paid for that. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah forbids people to eat something, He also forbids its price to them [i.e., they are not allowed to sell it].” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani – may Allaah have mercy on him) in Saheeh Abi Dawood, no. 2978).

It is also well known that alcohol and pork are forbidden in the Qur’aan.

There remain two further issues of concern:

The first is that the Muslim woman who works in this home is not wearing complete shar’i hijaab.

The second is that washing the elderly people and changing their diapers will lead to seeing and touching their ‘awrahs. This is permissible in cases of necessity, but I do not think they will appoint men to take care of men and women to take care of women; usually they bring all the people together in one place and both women and men work with both sexes.

So my advice is that a Muslim woman, in particular, should not work in this place. This work is also not desirable because it involves dealing with impure things. Accepting help from the social institution, even though it involves the humiliation of the Muslim taking aid from the kaafirs, is still easier to bear that this work which involves going against sharee’ah.

We ask Allaah to cause Islam and the Muslims to prevail. And Allaah is the Source of help.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

In one of my jobs I had to bathe and feed and change and give medication to men and women. Trust me, when you are bathing a sick individual you are concerned that you do not embarrass the patient. Many times it is not a simple procedure. It often took two of us to be efficient and always care about the dignity of the human being. And common sense always comes into the picture. I would place a washcloth on the private parts. As a professional you are more concerned that there are no bedsores; etc.

Sister, some of us work to put food on the table. The work is hard. Try lifting someone who weighs almost twice what you weigh and you have to bathe ten people on your shift.

I am just grateful that their are sisters who work and do not abuse the helpless but help them.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
thank you sister i will,
i dunno lately i just being feeling like it but i dunno if i can with my job..and some british people can be alittle rascist...maybe i make a dua, only allah knows :p but i will be very greatful for any advice.

As salam 'alaykum


Prophe Ibrahim 'alayhis salam, when he was leaving his family in Makkah near Kaaba, he made this dua.
hope it will help you, insha Allah

رَّبَّنَآ إِنِّىٓ أَسۡكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِى بِوَادٍ غَيۡرِ ذِى زَرۡعٍ عِندَ بَيۡتِكَ ٱلۡمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُواْ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ فَٱجۡعَلۡ أَفۡـِٔدَةً۬ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ تَہۡوِىٓ إِلَيۡہِمۡ وَٱرۡزُقۡهُم مِّنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٲتِ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَشۡكُرُونَ

O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivated valley by Your Sacred House (the Kabah at Makkah); in order, O our Lord, that they may stand in prayer, so fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits (food etc.) so that they may thank You. (Qur’an, Surah Ibrahim, verse 37)

may Allah strengthen you and keep steadfast.

may Allah help us , make dua for us.

barakAllahu feekum
wassalamun 'alayka
 

*pink niqaabi*

Junior Member
I understand where you are coming from sister Aapa but at the end of the day if somethings haraam, its haraam no matter how hard it is on us. When i was in a job that decided they wanted to comprimise my deen by forcing me to uncover my arms up to the elbow, i quit that job there and then even when other Muslims advised me not to. And this was working in a hospital.
Allah tells us that if you give up something for His sake, he will grant you something better. And that sure was the case with me Alhamdulillah. A month or a few months later i got a job as a secretary at an Islamic school. We just need to have tawakull.
 

helpinghumanity

Junior Member
Okay well I just work with females then thanks for everyone's advice.

alf2 said:
Sister Marina, I am starting a job where I will see VERY old men naked as well. I will be assisting them use the restroom, dressing them, showering them, cleaning catheters, etc.

Seeing the Awrah [(for women its entire body except hand, face and according to some scholars feet)(for men its the area in between navel and knee including both navel and knee)] is not permissible. So please don't indulge yourself in a work in which you will see their awrah.

My sincere brotherly advise to you is **Change your profession**. Inshallah Allah will give you some thing which will be better for you both in this dunya and in the hereafter.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58g-ZNWxv20[/ame]
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

No, sister that is not what is intended.

We, as Muslim women have to be modest. Unless it is absolutely necessary we cover. Now, there are times when we have to expose ourselves such as medical exams. Once again, it boils down to common sense.
 

Marina28

Junior Member
I'm sorry I must be some big flake coa I still don't understand. I can't become a carer for the elderly cos I can't see them naked even if there female? It's not like I'm naked i will be covered..I'm sorry I still don't get it.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister,


You are not a flake. When we have to assist others we do what we have to do.
If you work in the medical field you can not let a patient remain in a bed that is soiled.When a person is too sick to tend to themselves we have to help them.
 

helpinghumanity

Junior Member
R u saying I can't see women? Why? We r all women, I don't understand

Whatever is permitted is crystal clear and whatever is forbidden is also crystal clear.

After knowing the rulings from the authentic source it is really up to the person if he/she wan't to please Allah or he/she wants to please himself/herself by following his/her desires.

Before committing any action one needs to check the intention. Is the action that he/she is about to perform purely for the sake of Allah? and is the action within the boundary lines of sharia (guidelines for the Muslims on how to lead life)

So I would urge/advise you to please give it a thought or re-iterate your thought process. Please determine if you want to please Allah or on the other hand follow self-desires.

jazzak Allahu khiran wa barrak Allahu feek,
wa alikum asalam wa Rahmutul Allahi wa barkaktuhuu,
 

Marina28

Junior Member
I spoke to imam bout this he said I should just low my gaze as much a possible but only look if it's unavoidable
 

Idris16

Junior Member
I spoke to imam bout this he said I should just low my gaze as much a possible but only look if it's unavoidable

Secondly:

What is established among the fuqaha’ is that the ‘awrah of a woman with another woman is the area between the navel and the knee, whether the woman is her mother or sister or is not her mahram. It is not permissible for a woman to look at the area between the navel and the knee of another woman, except in cases of necessity such as medical treatment and the like.

This does not mean that a woman may sit among other women with all of her body uncovered except the area between the navel and the knee. No one does that except women who are promiscuous and negiligent, or immoral and evildoers. The words of the scholars, “The ‘awrah is the area between the navel and the knee” should not be misunderstood, because this does not mean that this is how women should always dress and show themselves among their sisters and friends. No wise person would accept that and it is not what the fitrah (sound human nature) calls for.

Rather the way a woman should dress among other women is in clothes that cover properly and express her modesty and dignity. She should not show anything except that which appears when she is working and serving others, such as the head, neck, forearms and feet, as we have mentioned when discussing mahrams above.

Here's the Complete Fatwa: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/82994/awrah women
 
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