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finding light

Ya Rab! Forgive me..
This is an important thread (the thread about taqleed) and it should not be closed until those who have debated think they have conveyed the true message.

:salam2:
Then might I suggest we start behaving, speaking, DISCUSSING, and RESPECTING like MUSLIMS.

I agree that this needs to be discussed. I agree there is a difference of opinion. I agree people are getting heated about it, but all this Brother bashing is making me sick.
THis is my point.

I want to learn. I want to read about Taqleed and follow the discussion and learn, but how can I when this is just so many snowballs being thrown around. snowballs covered in dirt.

I stopped reading the other thread because it wasnt easy.. guess I will never learn about taqleed from TTI.
I really hope this doesnt happen in the future.

And aziboy if you are reading this, very disappointing brother.... :SMILY286:
 

finding light

Ya Rab! Forgive me..
Assalaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuhuh

To all of my dear brothers and sisters who have seen the forums go through an uproar and felt upset by it, I offer my deepest apologies. It's not something that's always nice to see, but i have to say that sometimes it might be a little necessary. Please try to look past it and derive the good where you can, and leave the emotional banter outside of it.

I would like to clarify for the sake of our Moderating however, that although brother HH may have publicly called for the banning of some members, this was based on his advice. It was something that was considered with the Mods, but the final agreement was on our collective judgment as well. And each member has more than a few reasons for why it was done. As examples, as this is something I intended to do:

Asif1 - He returned after he was given a temp ban as Aziboy with a new username, fully aware that it was wrong, just to, as he told me "prove a point". He did not give any indication and hid this deception until such a point in which he was caught in his act, at which time he said he wanted no action to be taken on him and to keep it 'between us'. As a Moderator this was impossible, and yet when I told him that a public apology might warrant leniency in his punishment - he decided to continue posting threads instead of answering this request. Thus, for failing to take account for his own actions he was banned.

This was outside of any request. Let me make this clear, this forum is for people who are eager to learn, but also abide by the rules. Not deceivers and trolls.

Similarly with the rest of the Users we have found major, not minor transgressions against other members (such as implying Hanafis to be other than Muslims, or accusing our members of 'worshiping' others A'uthubillah), and a total disregard for the nature of our forum. Instead of responding to topics they would only serve to divert and derail it - lacking even one scholar to support their cause. And when the flaws in what they would copy-paste was shown to them, they would have no response to it, but would attack the speaker.

I know some people have become annoyed with the topics, but here's what I'll advise. Stop looking at the speech of the people, and start looking at the words of the scholars - and who has them. Every person who has internet can speak, but not everyone can speak with knowledge. As is evident.

Thus, those who are not serious in learning and will simply continue to use emotion as their weapon, and degrade our members as they have been, will be dealt with in a stricter manner insha'Allah.

I was going to close this thread, but I am hoping that we'll be able to turn over a new leaf insha'Allah and keep this thread active for any other posts that may be necessary to move.

:salam2: Sis...

JazakAllah Khair.
 

Itqan Ullah

Time is Running!!

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
Oh Yeah! Than how about this?

Yeah, how about this Hammy:

Hammy said:
It would be not fitting on my part that I shall leave without informing... Pls Note, if you guys are refuting to what i'll say now, (and try to become a "Hero" and turn out to be a fool) that would be vain cuz i am deleting my account from TTI...

Why have you not kept your word for? Do you like breaking promises and not sticking to your words?

I am off from here, may Allah (swt) increase your disease in doubting

Doesn't look like you are off yet?

I said Allah will increase your doubt and end up being Muqallid, just because i dont want to say Kafir, but an Aqeeda like this... no comments....

So why are you on a forum where the mods are all kuffaar as you are trying to imply?

I really thank Allah, Most High that people are calling us with mocking names same happened to Prophet (saww) and His followers, no wonder who love him (saww) will be treated in the same fashion.... hoping you come up with some brilliant excuse....

Good joke pal.

Hammy if you remember the very first thread we discussed, you were the first person to mock and call names. It is simple: Give respect and take respect.
 

muslimshabs

Junior Member
Collecting all non-useful-non-relevant posts in one thread..... And then just press the delete button to delete all at once. Good Idea Indeed. :p :)

What is your point here...?


Did you read this...

Part 22: Salafiyyah does NOT contradict following Madhhab
 

Itqan Ullah

Time is Running!!
Asslamaliekum warahmatullahi wabrakatu,
What is your point here...?
I mean "please delete this thread and stick to the topic, if anything needs further discussion"

You have some misunderstanding sister, I never said following a madhab is wrong (in past 3 threads), niether do I have a hizbi concept of salafiyyah.
So... yes I did read that, before I posted the link.
 

Hammy

Banned
Yeah, how about this Hammy:



Why have you not kept your word for? Do you like breaking promises and not sticking to your words?



Doesn't look like you are off yet?



So why are you on a forum where the mods are all kuffaar as you are trying to imply?



Good joke pal.

Hammy if you remember the very first thread we discussed, you were the first person to mock and call names. It is simple: Give respect and take respect.


Lol... look who's talking... are you al-fajr?

It is simple: Give respect and take respect
this is how you deal with your own family members? this shows where you coming from pal.
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
Oh Yeah! Than how about this?

Language like this is acceptable?

So calling Harris such thing is against the rule of TTI and harris calling others with name is exception?

This guy never answered our questions what he did is only talk talk and talk... mocking others and his cheap insults and humiliating people into his submission if someone opposes his opinions, behaving as if he is divinely appointed for the guidance of all the “poor, misguided Deo’s” out there.... I really thank Allah, Most High that people are calling us with mocking names same happened to Prophet (saww) and His followers, no wonder who love him (saww) will be treated in the same fashion.... hoping you come up with some brilliant excuse....
Harris Hammam has already been warned by another moderator, did it have to be me in order to be valid? Moderation isn't a one-person job.

TTI moderation policy is universal and non-discriminatory, what you're trying to prove here is very weak.

Regardless:

al-fajr said:
I can predict that you will probably think you're being warned because you specifically called Harris Hammam an 'idiot', you should note that actually we don't tolerate that sort of unjustified language directed at any member here.
Unfortunately for you Hammy, I choose my words quite carefully; the keyword is unjustified.

Harris Hammam said:
It is on this basis that I suggest that these folks are banned. Imagine a new Muslims looking at these idiots who are prepared to humiliate all the scholars of Islam just to appease their own desire non-comprehension and misguided opinion - what do you think would happen to such new Muslims! And what impression of Islam does that give?
Each religion - truthful or otherwise - is carried by its institution of scholars. According to these dangerous individuals, it was destroyed by the same institution

Abu Hurairah said:
When we thought you changed, you just come back and hit us with a great big chunk of stupidity.

Calling a spade a spade with substantial supporting evidence really is no crime in my book anyway ..

Frankly, I’m bored of all this public drama surrounding moderation, from now on I refuse to entertain your perceived grievances at all. You should know that complaining like this does nothing for your case, follow the procedure, we have people you can talk to privately, you know who they are, ask if you don't.

finding light said:
Then might I suggest we start behaving, speaking, DISCUSSING, and RESPECTING like MUSLIMS.

I agree that this needs to be discussed. I agree there is a difference of opinion. I agree people are getting heated about it, but all this Brother bashing is making me sick.
THis is my point.

I want to learn. I want to read about Taqleed and follow the discussion and learn, but how can I when this is just so many snowballs being thrown around. snowballs covered in dirt.

I stopped reading the other thread because it wasnt easy.. guess I will never learn about taqleed from TTI.
I really hope this doesnt happen in the future.

And aziboy if you are reading this, very disappointing brother....
I'm glad we have members like you here, willing to listen and learn.

I understand why this thread may be quite upsetting for you, I am sorry it even exists but it can't be helped at the moment.

I advise you and other members with similar intentions, to ignore threads like this, don't let it clutter your mind, stick to the main thread in the Islamic Discussion section which we will endeavour to keep clean of all unrelated posts, inshaAllaah.

Wa-alaykum assalam
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
I suggest that anything that leads to the lockdown of the original thread is edited out, deleted, hived off to a new thread, or whatever.

It is clear that those who have nothing but hatred for Islamic scholarship want this thread locked down. I don't think they've produced anything beneficial, apart from what has already been responded to.

I also believe that all these grievances boiling underneath in this matter surfacing in this thread is a good for for the mental state of everybody. Imagine they kept these grievances in their hearts for the rest of their lives - they would have exploded sometime!

Just a few points of clarification from my side:
- It was my opinion - which I wasn't forcing on anybody - that certain members are banned due to their disrespect of the scholars of Islam, the heirs of the Prophets. Esp. when that person mocked Yazid bin Harun, a famous narrator of Hadith, as one speaking of a 'satanic statement'!
- I've been very restrained in my language, and have tried to shed the emotion. Even if any emotion was exhibited on my part, it has always been backed up with some academia.
- If the moderators feel I've said anything wrong, they have every right to reprimand my - in public - and I'll take it on the chin.
- Hammy, I beg you to stop copy-pasting - this time from SF out of all places!
Hammy said:
This guy never answered our questions what he did is only talk talk and talk... mocking others and his cheap insults and humiliating people into his submission if someone opposes his opinions, behaving as if he is divinely appointed for the guidance of all the “poor, misguided Deo’s” out there.... I really thank Allah, Most High that people are calling us with mocking names same happened to Prophet (saww) and His followers, no wonder who love him (saww) will be treated in the same fashion.... hoping you come up with some brilliant excuse....
SF said:
The Miskin (poor soul) is apparently a grad of the Wahhabi University of Madinah and while he is infamous for his hatred of the Ulama of Deoband, a legacy that he seems to share with many of his colleagues at Madinah Uni, he has however taken this one step further, behaving as if divinely appointed for the guidance of all the “poor, misguided Deo’s” out there!
Is there a rule on TTI that excessive copy-pasting is equal to spamming?
 

Hammy

Banned
It is clear that those who have nothing but hatred for Islamic scholarship want this thread locked down. I don't think they've produced anything beneficial, apart from what has already been responded to.
If scholars are going against Qur'an and Sunnah than their opinions on the tip of the shoe. opinion will be opinion and authentic is authentic and the followers of opinions will always remain blind followers....

- Hammy, I beg you to stop copy-pasting - this time from SF out of all places!


Is there a rule on TTI that excessive copy-pasting is equal to spamming?

what? didn't like your own definition?
 

samiha

---------
Staff member
Uh oh... here we go again.

Hammy, I have a question for you. How is, that as soon as I ban Abu Mus'ab you show up again so quickly? As a Muslim, be honest - did you, like Asif1 make another account and join TTI?

Things had just settled down and you want to stir up trouble again. This is the only answer I want from you.

The rest of the issues you can PM about, as we have a TTI rule:

- MODERATORS WORD FINAL IN ALL CASES - Dont make topics discussing our Decisions! Simply PM us and talk to us in Private. (otherwise you will look very silly complaining)
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
Hammy should go and join SF in all honesty. Clearly, he is in love with their Taqleed extremism, evidenced by the fact that he's copy-pasting from them. They'll appreciate his attitude there.

Hammy's not being serious and is being silly with himself. If he wants to stay, he can continue the silliness by explaining why the Prophet's sword was Hanafi.
 

Hammy

Banned
Hammy should go and join SF in all honesty. Clearly, he is in love with their Taqleed extremism, evidenced by the fact that he's copy-pasting from them. They'll appreciate his attitude there.

This is your strategy pal that you direct your opponent towards weird things which is of no importance into major highlight like copy-paste, spell checks, name calling and mocking, and than end up in something else.... Till now you never answered any of our questions, if you don't have answers than say like that don't be a belittle or a little lollypop girl who take help of mods here to claim his point.

Hammy's not being serious and is being silly with himself. If he wants to stay, he can continue the silliness by explaining why the Prophet's sword was Hanafi.

can you tell me what was the real name of Abu Hanifa (rh)? common its googling time... the meaning of Hanafi means the followers of Imam Abu Hanifa (rh) nowhere in any Hadith did Prophet (saww) said his Madhab is Hanafi and after me (saww) follow and name yourself hanafi... Allah, Most High has called Ibrahim (as) also as Hanifa... so Ibrahim (as) is Hanafi too... that is the silliest question out of all questions you asked till now. Lo! than how about Shia'a mentioned in Qur'an 3-4 times? that means Ibrahim (as) was Shia'a and His followers including Prophet (saww) was the same... so according to you Ibrahim (as) is Hanafi as well as Shia'a... what a pity! where is Islam? lost somewhere in harris hammam mockery...
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
Do you even know what is meant when the Athar says that the sword of the Prophet peace be upon him was Hanafi.

صنعت سيفي على سيف سمرة، وزعم سمرة أنه صنع سيفه على سيف رسول الله وكان حنفيا

(Sunan 'l-Tirmidhi)

Please, explain to us. I won't bother with our explanation because you think we are all 'blind'. I'd rather wait for your insight so you can 'guide' us to what this Hadith means.

It's so obvious what you are going to do:
- Google to find out the answer, then copy-paste the answer.
- Can't see it in Google? You'll ask someone.
- If you can't find anybody, you'll come out with some unrelated answer, discrediting us (which is fine, since this is the thread of silly questions).

This was Akhari's response to the Hadith:
so you think by sword it means all Hanafis are the swords. those are your vain desires.

Would you like to add anything to this? Can you explain why the term Hanafi was used?(newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3166&idto=3167&bk_no=56&ID=1155)
 

Hammy

Banned
Do you even know what is meant when the Athar says that the sword of the Prophet peace be upon him was Hanafi.

صنعت سيفي على سيف سمرة، وزعم سمرة أنه صنع سيفه على سيف رسول الله وكان حنفيا

(Sunan 'l-Tirmidhi)

Please, explain to us. I won't bother with our explanation because you think we are all 'blind'. I'd rather wait for your insight so you can 'guide' us to what this Hadith means.

It's so obvious what you are going to do:
- Google to find out the answer, then copy-paste the answer.
- Can't see it in Google? You'll ask someone.
- If you can't find anybody, you'll come out with some unrelated answer, discrediting us (which is fine, since this is the thread of silly questions).

This was Akhari's response to the Hadith:
so you think by sword it means all Hanafis are the swords. those are your vain desires.

Would you like to add anything to this? Can you explain why the term Hanafi was used?(newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3166&idto=3167&bk_no=56&ID=1155)

your strategy will only work on the blind ones buddy, stop spinning the ball and tell me the same term is used for Ibrahim (as) so he was a hanafi too? now can you say why the term hanifa used for Ibrahim (as)? no Islam only Hanafis is that what you mean by pasting that hadith reference?
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
Just tell me how to translate and explain 'Hanafi' in the Hadith that says:

وكان حنفيا

His sword was 'Hanafi'.

Just translate the word and explain what it means.

Are you saying it is the same meaning as the 'Haneef' term that is for Ibrahim (peace be upon him) in the Quran?
 

Hammy

Banned
Just tell me how to translate and explain 'Hanafi' in the Hadith that says:

وكان حنفيا

His sword was 'Hanafi'.

Just translate the word and explain what it means.

Yet again twisting and turning. If Prophet (saww) sword was Hanafi that doesn't counts Hanafi madhab as "Rightly Guided". If for the sake of argument i agree that Hanafi sword makes all hanafis rightly guided still it dosen't fulfill the requirement as Allah, Most High is Commanding us to call ourselves Muslims. so what about the Hanafi sword. so do you really know the original name of Imam Abu Hanifa (rh)..?? If yes, than this collapses your belief and if no, than as i said, its time for googling....

Are you saying it is the same meaning as the 'Haneef' term that is for Ibrahim (peace be upon him) in the Quran?

The Qur'an calls Ibrahim (as) a Hanif:

Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa, and he was not of the Mushrikin. S. 3:67 Ibn Kathir (rh)

Say: "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a straight path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim, a Hanif." S. 6:161 Ibn Kathir (rh)

Interesting, like Jews and Christian calls all Prophet (pbut) of Allah, Most High that they belong to their religion, the same way you are coming up with your claims... I see no difference here...
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
Hammy, we're not saying the Hanafi sword supports the Hanafi Madhhab. Nor did I ever say that Ibrahim (peace be upon him) being a Haneef supports the Hanafi Madhhab.

It's just a silly argument to to say that a 'Hanafi sword' supports the 'Hanafi Madhhab'. I agree it's a silly argument. Most of your arguments are as silly as this.

Given that it does not support the Hanafi Madhhab, all what we're asking in plain English is: How do YOU explain the word 'Hanafi' in the Hadith where it says that 'the sword was Hanafi'?


If Prophet (saww) sword was Hanafi that doesn't counts Hanafi madhab as "Rightly Guided". If for the sake of argument i agree that Hanafi sword makes all hanafis rightly guided still it dosen't fulfill the requirement as Allah, Most High is Commanding us to call ourselves Muslims. so what about the Hanafi sword.
I'm not asking for a long winded refutation - I'm asking for a Tafseer (explanation) for the word 'Hanafi' in the Hadith. Stop getting all defensive and engage in a sensible conversation for a change.

Enlighten us.
 

Hammy

Banned
Hammy, we're not saying the Hanafi sword supports the Hanafi Madhhab. Nor did I ever say that Ibrahim (peace be upon him) being a Haneef supports the Hanafi Madhhab.

It's just a silly argument to to say that a 'Hanafi sword' supports the 'Hanafi Madhhab'. I agree it's a silly argument. Most of your arguments are as silly as this.

Given that it does not support the Hanafi Madhhab, all what we're asking in plain English is: How do YOU explain the word 'Hanafi' in the Hadith where it says that 'the sword was Hanafi'?

I'm not asking for a long winded refutation - I'm asking for a Tafseer (explanation) for the word 'Hanafi' in the Hadith. Stop getting all defensive and engage in a sensible conversation for a change.

Enlighten us.

"IN PLAIN ENGLISH"... what is the original name of Imam Abu Hanifa (rh)? that will answer your question and will get tafseer as well In-sha-Allah... what! locked up in your question... you understood it very well but you cannot accept it as it is against your "Usool", however your strategy won't work here... anyways nice attempt, but no Cigar. You can say it a bit louder - you might just convince yourself....

now my question to you pal!
pls answer this, yet again:
Lo! than how about Shia'a mentioned in Qur'an 3-4 times? that means Ibrahim (as) was Shia'a and His followers including Prophet (saww) was the same... so according to you Ibrahim (as) is Hanafi as well as Shia'a... what a pity! where is Islam?
...
 

Harris Hammam

Junior Member
"IN PLAIN ENGLISH"... what is the original name of Imam Abu Hanifa (rh)? that will answer your question and will get tafseer as well In-sha-Allah...
Nu`man bin Thabit was his name.

Based on what you said here, it means according to you that "The sword of the Prophet was Nu`man bin Thabit".

Thank you for your explanation. Anything else you want to add?
 
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