The most trustworthy bond is the one with Allah

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
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In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

"Alif-Lam-Mim.These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings.Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: We believe; and will not be tested.And We indeed tested those who were before them. And Allah will certainly make (it) known (the truth of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars, (although Allah knows all that before putting them to test) ."Soorah al-Ankaboot, Ayah 1-3)

Tempetations are invetiable in the life of Muslims. In order to proparly understand it, we must examine how Allah Subhanahu wa-ta'ala defined them in Surah Al Ankabut, for which many Mufassirs say that it is Surah of tempetations. In its narrations it is desribed how Prophets Nuh a.s, Ibrahim a.s, Lut a.s., Suhaayb a.s., and Mussa a.s conforted with different life difficulties and temptations.

Is it reasonable to think that we are Mum'ins ( belivers) only because we utter words and say; "We believe." Even if we are sincere and honest in our words, we should not think that we will not be tested with difficulties.It is rulling that Mumins( belivers) are tested always with difficulties and that is why we should not think that they are happening only to us.

They are Sunnah of all world and they were happening to those people who lived before

Allah's Messanger Mohammed sallahu alayha wa saalam said: How strange is the matter of a believer, there is good in all his affairs, and this is only for the believer. If something good happens to him and he is grateful, then this is good for him, and if a calamity befalls him and he is patient, then this is also good for him.(Saheeh Muslim)

Allah subhanahu wa teala sais:

"The likeness of those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) other than Allah is as the likeness of a spider, who builds (for itself) a house, but verily, the frailest (weakest) of houses is the spider's house; if they but knew." ( Surah Al Ankabut, Ayah 41)


This is a clear message for those who ask help on other places, before turning to Allah and asking His help.Why spider house is the most weak?Before her weakness is not reflected only in thin filament but in social aspect as well.Namely after male impregnates the female, she kill and eat him.Than, when spiders become mature they kill their mother. Mumin ( Beliver) will not be left of Allah Subhanahu wa-ta'ala , therefor we should rely only on Him,be persistent in our Ibadaah, patiente and gratefull to Him for our tempetations and difficulties.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Ofcourse a good reminder. But some misconceptions have found way in the narration.

Grand Qur'aan has nowhere mentioned or referred Spider's web. Neither all species kill the male after mating.

Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Jazzak Allah khair dear brother for your correction.But in this English transation it is translated as " spider house", so by logical understanding probably it is refering on web of spider because that is its house. And Allah knows the best.

I have find this text on one site,and thought it is truthfull and benefit to be shared.

If you have found some other mistake( mistakes) you are free to correct it InshAllah.

:wasalam:
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Web is not the "house" of a spider. That is the point discussed therein.

Yes, I do understand what you have discussed. I am asking the credibility of your discussion since it doesn't match with the exegeses of several scholars.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
It is ones own choice either to listen to the words of Qur'aan or to what people say whether it is me or others. Words of Qur'aan are protected as were recited and written by the Exalted Messenger of Allah the Supreme Sovereign. The statement of the Book is always considered that which its own words portray.

One can open up any dictionary---many many or already on Line including almost all Classical Lexicons--Syntactic parsing is also available on line. In the presence of all these tools now available, one should attempt to ponder over the words of Qur'aan.

It must be kept in mind that not a single statement of Qur'aan will contradict the ground realities.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Web is not the "house" of a spider. That is the point discussed therein.

Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Dear brother, as brother Ershad pointed out,when Allah subhanahu wa teala mention " spider's house " it is refering on web of spider, as it is explained in one of the most authenitic Tafseer of Quraan, Tafsir Ibn Katheer.

InshAllah brother you can read bellow explaintion of Surah Al Ankabut from Tafsir Ibn Kathir and tafsir of this Ayah.

And Allah knows the best.

:wasalam:

"The parable of those who seek protectors from other than Allah is that of a spider who builds a house; but indeed, the weakest of houses is the spider's house -- if they but knew.Verily, Allah knows what things they invoke instead of Him. He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.) (43. And these are the examples We give for mankind; but none will understand them except those who have knowledge (of Allah)." ( Surah Al Ankabut, Ayah 41,42)

This is how Allah described the idolators in their reverence of gods besides Him, hoping that they would help them and provide for them, and turning to them in times of difficulties. In this regard, they were like the house of a spider, which is so weak and frail, because by clinging to these gods they were like a person who holds on to a spider's web, who does not gain any benefit from that. If they knew this, they would not take any protectors besides Allah. This is unlike the Muslim believer, whose heart is devoted to Allah, yet he still does righteous deeds and follows the Laws of Allah, for he has grasped the most trustworthy handle that will never break because it is so strong and firm. Then Allah warns those who worship others besides Him and associate others with Him that He knows what they do and the rivals they associate with Him. He will punish them for their attribution, for He is All-Wise and All-Knowing.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
It is ones own choice either to listen to the words of Qur'aan or to what people say whether it is me or others. Words of Qur'aan are protected as were recited and written by the Exalted Messenger of Allah the Supreme Sovereign. The statement of the Book is always considered that which its own words portray.

One can open up any dictionary---many many or already on Line including almost all Classical Lexicons--Syntactic parsing is also available on line. In the presence of all these tools now available, one should attempt to ponder over the words of Qur'aan.

It must be kept in mind that not a single statement of Qur'aan will contradict the ground realities.

The Messenger not only conveyed the verses but also, explained them. If you are going to do your own explanation with the help of lexicons, what is the meaning of explanation of the Messenger?

It was the divine command right?

"[We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought." [16:44]

The Messenger :saw2: explained to his companions the Qur'aan and we have to use that explanation. This was passed on to their successors and so on. I am not denying that there are many exegeses and there might be little differences and also own opinions of scholars. But, this was done after they had knowledge of what was written and explained by the companions of the Prophet :saw: and the Tabi'een.

I hope you get what I am trying to convey.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
The Messenger explained to his companions the Qur'aan and we have to use that explanation. This was passed on to their successors and so on. I am not denying that there are many exegeses and there might be little differences and also own opinions of scholars. But, this was done after they had knowledge of what was written and explained by the companions of the Prophet and the Tabi'een.

Kindly read it again and see that it is nothing but full of contradictions.

Where is the explanation where it was said that Bait means Web of Spider which almost all scholars are saying with referenceto this Ayah which is totally against the ground reality. Qur'aan itself is a living book for all times.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Kindly read it again and see that it is nothing but full of contradictions.

Where is the explanation where it was said that Bait means Web of Spider which almost all scholars are saying with referenceto this Ayah which is totally against the ground reality. Qur'aan itself is a living book for all times.

Sorry, I fail to see the contradiction. Are you implying that the Messenger :saw2: did not explain the Qur'aan for us? What do you mean by ground reality? Can you elaborate a little bit, please.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
Sister Asja,

These words on face value have the best meanings and are the utmost truth

The most trustworthy bond is the one with Allah

The Bond signifies and portrays love, affection and the desire to be nearer to someone.

No doubt that the Bond with Allah the Exalted is most trustworthy, but what is the criteria to evaluate whether someone has sincerely bonded himself?

You, the Messenger, [Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, for believers] pronounce-guarantee, "If you people love Allah the Exalted, thereby to demonstrate and prove it you incline to follow me, in letter and spirit, without in between third party intervention-influence.Allah the Exalted will in response-reciprocally love-appreciate and acknowledge act of you people.Moreover, He the Exalted will overlook and grant forgiveness for you people for your earlier wrong-doings.
Remember, Allah the Exalted is The Forgiving-Overlooking and The Merciful". [3:31]

It may be noted that the response of Allah the Exalted is now conditional. The condition is to follow, in letter and spirit without there being a third in between, Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. Literal-physical following is possible only when we affectionately and wholeheartedly accept his spoken words-statements and then act on those accordingly.

His spoken and written words are transcribed in the Qur'aan verbatim-without alteration of a single syllable that has reached to us. We follow his words, then we are sure of the trustworthyness of the bond, otherwise it might prove to be mere empty words.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
Sorry, I fail to see the contradiction. Are you implying that the Messenger :saw2: did not explain the Qur'aan for us? What do you mean by ground reality? Can you elaborate a little bit, please.

Please Ershad,

How you equate your red comments with this:

Where is the explanation where it was said that Bait means Web of Spider

Ground reality----pl read the link
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam alaikum,


Let me be simple.

When we understand the need to follow the Law of Allah to the letter as exemplified by the life of the Prophet, swas, we get help on the way. The help comes in the form of scholars. I look at it like this. I am on the path. I stop at a motel to get rest. The motel keeper is a scholar. He gives me insights into making my worship stronger. He gives me directions to help me down the road. He tells me the pitfalls to avoid.

The bedrock of my faith can not be a spiders web. My faith has to be like a mustard seed, buried deep in my soul. And with the Mercy of Allah, it becomes so strong it penetrates the rock and makes a path to the sunshine.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
The motel keeper is a scholar. He gives me insights into making my worship stronger. He gives me directions to help me down the road. He tells me the pitfalls to avoid.

It is not the scholar who gives you the insight. The insight is only in the words of Allah the Exalted. Unless you know that he is talking to you explaining the words of Allah, there is a possibility that you might be following a Satan under false understanding.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
My faith has to be like a mustard seed, buried deep in my soul. And with the Mercy of Allah,
it becomes so strong it penetrates the rock and makes a path to the sunshine.

This too is a misconception, beautiful words nothing relevant to ground reality. Being a mother, you must have expereinced that even the fully developed "seed" could not come to sunshine, untill your body sufferred circular pains making a path for his/her exodus. Exactly, in mother's style the earth gives way to the seed to sprout and find way to sunshine. Allah the Exalted has developed an elaborate system for everything.

Allah the Exalted says that belief gets stronger by the Ayahs of Grand Qur'aan.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Please Ershad,

How you equate your red comments with this:



Ground reality----pl read the link

Brother, there are usool of tafsir. The scholars interpret Qur'an with those fundamentals. We have tafsir of Ibn Katheer, Ibn Abbass - The cousin of the Messenger :saw2: and whom the Messenger supplicated for to give the understanding of Qur'an. All these tafsirs explain this ayah as house of the spider. Give me one reason why I should abandon their explanation and take yours.

As for ground reality, I see it far fetched. You say Spider's web is not weak as scholars explain. The house of spider can be easily destroyed by least force. This example has been likened to the idolators who hold on to their false Gods who themselves are weak.

And I tell you brother, Muhammad bin Jarir reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Prophet Peace be upon him said:

Whoever explains the Qur'an with his opinion or with what he has no knowledge of, then let him assume his seat in the Fire.

At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i and Abu Dawud also recorded this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan".
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Brother,

We have to guard our worship. And with the help of Allah subhana wa taala we remain on the Path. I am also given reasoning. I am not stupid. Yes, the shytan is always there but you can differentiate between the good and the bad. It is called a gut feeling. Yes, the scholar gives us insights.

Not everyone is a literati. Some of us like to be told stories. It is just our learning style. Even the Quran has stories for those of us.

Ground reality: I am given one chance in this life. Allah has given me the Quran and the Sunna. When I need help I call upon the Sunna doctor: the scholar, his prescription is the ayat of the Quran and a hadidth to help me out. That is what I love about Islam. Pure and simple.
 

Mazhara

Junior Member
All these tafsirs explain this ayah as house of the spider. Give me one reason why I should abandon their explanation and take yours.


This is the whole point I am emphasizing that Qur'aan has said that she-spider adopted a house.

When people start expanding it with thier own imagination without having bothered to see a spider in their own houses they bring in contradictions. The point is only this that the Adopted house and Web are absolutely two different things. It does not need more than a little common sense to differentiate betwenn these two different things. And note the difference that Qur'aan did not say "She made a house" or that "she makes a house".
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Secondly brother, you use Encyclopedia Britannica to write tafsir of Qur'an. Is that how the Messenger :saw2: explained the Qur'an? Qur'an explains itself and moreover, Sunnah further explains it, not Encyclopedia Britannica.
 
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