Is Jesus God?

Iprofessshirk

New Member
Can you read? That is not what she said. Stop thinking you're cheeky when you're not.


Not only "much" of the Qur'an, many Muslims memorize THE ENTIRE QUR'AN. Stop spelling it "Koran" that is disrespectful.

Why are we debating with this guy? Why?
If we went to some Christian site doing the same stuff he's doing they would curse me, call me the Devil and ban me. I dont see why we are allowing this.
I am an Ex-Christian, by the way.

I appoligize for typing "Koran", I didn't realize it was disrespecful. I will type Qur'an from now on :)

The Christian circles I frequent are robust with questions and honest respect of everyone. Please feel free to join, you will not be banned for honest questions or respecful debate: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/forums/

I'm not trying to be cheeky, I'm simply trying to figure out why Muslim's believe the Bible is corrupt. The Qur'an does not say it is corrupt...and the scriptures which were used during Muhammad's life were the same ones our current translations are based on. The Qur'an is in the same boat as the Bible, and none of you have provided any proof to the contrary.

How is this any different from the English versions of the Qur'an? There will always be variations in translation, this is why the Arabic version of the Qur'an is the only authoritative version. And is also why I said earlier that I believe the original Hebrew & Greek Biblical texts (of which there are over 5000 in existance) are the only versions "inspired by God".

Let's consider Surah Al-Ahqaf [46] verse 30...

Arabic: kaloo ya kawmana inna sami'ina kitaban unzila ba'd Musa Musadekan Lima Bayna Yadayehe Yahdee ela al-hak wa-ela tareekin mustakeem

English: they said O our people we have heard a book revealed after Moses confirming what is between his hands it guides to the truth and to a straight path

There are several other verses in the Qur'anic which speak highly of the Bible, and none that accuse it of being corrupt.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Not what I said at all, I said there are different translations but when it comes to Arabic is the same world wide and has been for over 1400 years. I guess you don't get the difference between translations and versions. The Arabic version is the ultimate and only authoritative version since translations can mess things up. As I said different translations, only ONE version.

Why are you here, you have no desire to learn about Islam, you have your mind made up already and came here that way.
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
Thank you for admitting that there are different versions as I stated...

Do you know English? I do not see my brother said there are versions of Quran. I asked you about the versions of Bible and you did not answer. I asked why you claimed there are versions of Quran, and you did not answer. I asked for proof of your statement that Ibn Mas'ud (radiyallahu 'anh)'s Quran has 111 Surahs and Ubayy Ibn Ka'b(radiyallahu 'anh)'s Quran has 116 verses, but you did not answer.



I am glad you also are willing to admit there are questions/difficulties...at least there are a couple rational individuals around here.

Quran is revealed by Allah, and it contains two types of verses.

1. Muhkam Verses (those verses which even a layman can fully understand the meaning when he reads it).
2. Mutashabih Verses (those verses which people will need for further assistance from Hadith (the second form of revelation to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) to understand its meaning. (Note that the translations normally includes these small explanation after the verse).

Furthermore, I challenge you! I challenge you to bring a single contradiction in the Noble Quran. I can bring you hundreds of Crystal Clear contradictions in Bible.

A little off topic note concerning the passage in 1 Corintians, Muslim's are always talking about how they memorize so much of the Koran. I memorized 1 Corintians chpater 13 many years ago (and many other passages), so I am very familiar with it.

I can see how one might want to claim 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 is referring to the Koran. However, I could apply the same logic some here used earlier in regards to Jesus. If He was God, why was it not stated more explicitly....so, if this passages refers to the Koran, why didn't Paul give us more details to support that idea? In my mind, it clearly refers to how our minds will be transformed when we are gathered together with God in the new heaven/new earth. He will allow us to understand everything, even a difficult doctrine such as the trinity. Of course my view is not the only one...many Christians believe that the understanding that Paul is referring to is that which we were given via the redeeming work of Jesus Christ.

We are not talking about how our children, men and women memorises "so much of the Quran". We are talking about 4 year olds and 6 year olds memorising the ENTIRE Quran. I hope it is clear to you now.

So you are allowed to take whatever the meaning you like, from the verses of Bible? WOW!

Years ago, I met a Christian who tried to explain me Trinity admitted he failed. He tried to use an illogical "logic" similar to yours. He said Jesus is full God and at the same time he is part of God. You are saying the Message of Jesus (pbuh) is full and at the same time it is a part.

I can agree a phone battery is part of the phone, but forgive me, I cannot agree when you raise a battery on my face and says "This is a phone".


Oh and about Surat al-Ahqaf, Verse Number 30, we already know there are several verses in Quran speaking about the coming of Jesus (pbuh) after Moses (pbuh). HOW MANY TIMES will I have to tell you that we do not believe the current Bible you have to be the word of God? Quran speaks about Injeel, NOT your corrupted Bible.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
:salam2:

I don't know how you can say the Bible is uncorrupted. When the original Bible is lost, and there are hundreds of versions which don't match up with one another?

Can you please point me to the true authentic Bible in existence today? Where is it kept? How many people have studied it and memorized and follow it word by word?
 

Iprofessshirk

New Member
Not what I said at all, I said there are different translations but when it comes to Arabic is the same world wide and has been for over 1400 years. I guess you don't get the difference between translations and versions. The Arabic version is the ultimate and only authoritative version since translations can mess things up. As I said different translations, only ONE version.

Why are you here, you have no desire to learn about Islam, you have your mind made up already and came here that way.
I do understand the difference, you are saying, "there is only one Arabic version" and, "the Arabic version has been translated into different languages".

My point was simply that it has been translated into English many times, and they do not all match 100%....hence, different versions. And I should point out that a single instance is enough to show my point, but there is many more than a single instance.

But we are getting away from the point of discussion, which is the Bible. And my point was not to show that the Qur'an isn't perfect, my point was to show that both the Bible and the Qur'an, when held to the same standard, neither are perfect. You believe the Qur'an in its original Arabic is the word from Allah, and I believe the original Hebrew and Greek texts are the "inspired word of God".

Do you know English? I do not see my brother said there are versions of Quran. I asked you about the versions of Bible and you did not answer. I asked why you claimed there are versions of Quran, and you did not answer. I asked for proof of your statement that Ibn Mas'ud (radiyallahu 'anh)'s Quran has 111 Surahs and Ubayy Ibn Ka'b(radiyallahu 'anh)'s Quran has 116 verses, but you did not answer.

I did answer...

Concerning all of this; I never claimed to have proof of anything. These arguements are well know, and I'm not claiming to have any new information.

Quran is revealed by Allah, and it contains two types of verses.

1. Muhkam Verses (those verses which even a layman can fully understand the meaning when he reads it).
2. Mutashabih Verses (those verses which people will need for further assistance from Hadith (the second form of revelation to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)).

Furthermore, I challenge you! I challenge you to bring a single contradiction in the Noble Quran.

We are not talking about how our children, men and women memorises "so much of the Quran". We are talking about 4 year olds and 6 year olds memorising the ENTIRE Quran. I hope it is clear to you now.

So you are allowed to take whatever the meaning you like, from the verses of Bible? WOW!

Years ago, I met a Christian who tried to explain me Trinity admitted he failed. He tried to use an illogical "logic" similar to yours. He said Jesus is full Gog and at the same time he is part of God. You are saying the Message of Jesus (pbuh) is full and at the same time it is a part.

I can agree a phone battery is part of the phone, but forgive me, I cannot agree when you raise a battery on my face and says "This is a phone".

There are many...http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

Can we get back to my question....why do you believe the Bible has been corrupt? And I'm not talking about the translations, I'm talking about the Hebrew and Greek texts which Muhammad (and therefore Allah) has endorsed.
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
Can we get back to my question....why do you believe the Bible has been corrupt? And I'm not talking about the translations, I'm talking about the Hebrew and Greek texts which Muhammad (and therefore Allah) has endorsed.

Show us the Aramaic Bible please! :)
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
Hi,
I hope the following video might have some insights to offer

[video=youtube;SCXlFWBcxBo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXlFWBcxBo[/video]
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
You believe the Qur'an in its original Arabic is the word from Allah, and I believe the original Hebrew and Greek texts are the "inspired word of God".

Can we get back to my question....why do you believe the Bible has been corrupt? And I'm not talking about the translations, I'm talking about the Hebrew and Greek texts which Muhammad (and therefore Allah) has endorsed.

But then... there doesn't seem to be any problem here whatsoever. See, we muslims call the original Bible, the one that was inspired to Jesus through God the "Injeel." The Injeel was the original original thing in Aramaic, given to Jesus to spread His message to mankind. And later on throughout the years so many saints and others added to it, hid some parts, edited other parts, and basically changed the meaning so much that it became today's present day "Bible."

We believe that the Bible is corrupt, but the original Injeel was not. Why do we believe this? Because the Quran talks about how the original Taurah and Injeel were given to Moses and Jesus respectively (peace be upon them). But both books suffered greatly.

There are verses in the Quran speaking about those people who hide those ayats from previous books, and hadiths as well. Ayats saying how people who purchase evil for the ayats of Allah are the losers. Can any of the knowledgeable brothers and sisters point out these verses/hadiths please? I can't remember the exact wording.

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Also, I wonder if this will be of any help

I read in the newspaper that 15% of the Koran is about Jesus Christ; and I also read in the English version of Koran that Mohammad believe in Christ, Abraham, The prophets and their writings which preceded Koran. If so, why does the Koran accept some doctrines of the bible, like the miracles of Christ, his sinlessness, being a prophet, etc. and contradict many of its doctrines like the deity of Christ as written in Isa.9:6 & John 1:1, 3:16, and the atonement both in the old and new testaments?
If the Koran is without error, why are there sects in Islam namely, shuhite& shiite respectively?
Why does the Koran allows polygamy, while the Bible is against it as written in Gen. 2:24 & Matt. 19:5 ?
My soul needs THE TRUTH.


Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah often mentions the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) in His Book the Qur’aan for a number of reasons, including the following:

1. He is one of His Prophets, indeed he is one of the Messengers of strong will whom He sent to His creation and His slaves. It is obligatory to believe in him as in all the other Prophets, as enjoined by Allaah in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Ya’qoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbaat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya’qoob (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Moosa (Moses) and ‘Eesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)”

[al-Baqarah 2:136]

2. The first people whom we should be concerned about when calling others to Islam are the People of the Book, i.e., the Jews and the Christians, because they are the closest of later nations to whom the later Messengers were sent. Both the Jews and the Christians knew of the coming of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his attributes were written in their books, the Tawraat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel). So they should not deny what they find in their books and they should hasten to believe in him, because they already believe in the Messengers who came before him, unlike other nations who worshipped idols. Because they did not believe in the Last Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as they were enjoined to do, they had to be refuted and shown how they had distorted the message of divine Oneness (Tawheed). This is why they are frequently mentioned in the verses of the Qur’aan.

3. Tawheed (the Oneness of God) is the basic principle upon which everything else, both religious and worldly affairs, is to be built; through Tawheed people will be saved from Hell and admitted to Paradise. This means affirming that Allaah is One. We see that the Jews and Christians differed concerning ‘Eesa ibn Maryam. The Jews said that he was a charlatan who told lies about God, so he had to be killed. The Christians differed from them greatly; some of them said that he was God, and some of them said that he was the son of God, but was one with Him in the Trinity, so that outwardly he appeared to be the son of God but he was in fact God. And some of them said that he was the third person of the Trinity which is a rejection of Tawheed. Others said that he was a Messenger from God and was human like the rest of mankind, but that Allaah singled him out to perform miracles in order to establish proof against people. The last group are the ones who were right. So it was essential to explain the matter and describe ‘Eesa in befitting terms. As with all the other Prophets and Messengers, it is not inappropriate to say that he was a human being, created from clay, whom Allaah chose from among all of mankind to be created without a father, as a manifestation of the power of Allaah to create a man outside the usual means. The likeness of ‘Eesa before Allaah is like Adam, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:59]

This is the correct belief concerning the creation of the Prophet of Allaah ‘Eesa, which was a miracle for all the people to see.

But the miracle of Adam’s creation is greater. For ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) was created without a father, but Adam was created without a father or a mother, and this is more expressive of the power of Allaah to create; it is more miraculous than the creation of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). For all these reasons and others, it was essential to explain the issue of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) and put matters straight.

In conclusion, the miracles which Allaah gave to ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) were just like the miracles of all the other Prophets, to prove that he was speaking the truth and that he was truly a Messenger from Allaah. But those who distorted the religion confused the matter for the simple-minded people and used his miracles as a justification to say that he was the son of God or that he was God. All of that is a distortion of the teachings and message of the Messiah (peace be upon him).

If everyone who follows a Prophet were to take the miracles which Allaah bestowed upon him as a sign that he was a god, then all the Prophets would be gods and each Prophet would be different from the others. For the mountains glorified Allaah along with Dawood (David – peace be upon him), but they did not do so with ‘Eesa. The sea was parted for Moosa (Moses – peace be upon him) and he spoke with his Lord and his Lord spoke with him, so he was known as Kaleem-Allaah (the one who spoke with Allaah), but this did not happen to ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). Allaah flooded the earth in response to the supplication of Nooh (Noah – peace be upon him) and that did not happen to ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). Allaah singled out Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to speak to him and to protect his miracle from being lost or distorted; he alone was sent to all of mankind, and he was given miracles that were not given to ‘Eesa. So how could that be taken to mean that they were all gods?

Secondly:

With regard to the view that if the Qur’aan were not distorted there would not be all these many sects such as the Shi’ah and other groups.

The answer to that is that the Qur’aan cannot force people to choose the right path, because the Qur’aan is simply guidance (and it is up to people to choose). Allaah has warned us about these sects and groups, and He has forbidden us to imitate the nations who became divided in religious matters. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and be not of Al-Mushrikoon (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah).

Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islamic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid‘ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it”

[al-Room 30:31-32]

“And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:105]

Allaah has commanded them to adhere to His Book and to follow the Sunnah (way, path) of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meanings):

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allaah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allaah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]

“O you who believe! Make not (a decision) in advance before Allaah and His Messenger, and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing”

[al-Hujuraat 49:1]

i.e., do not say or do anything that goes against the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

What is meant here is that Allaah forbade the people to split into various groups, and He commanded them to be united, but they followed their own whims and desires, and they cast the Book of Allaah behind their backs, and if they were confused about a verse from the Book of Allaah, they did not refer to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in order to understand it, rather they let their own opinion and corrupt reasoning be the judge. All of that is not from the Qur’aan and not from the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Thirdly:

With regard to the question about plural marriage in Islam and its being forbidden in the New Testament, it should be noted that Allaah gave each Messenger his own laws and path. Allaah enjoined Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allaah) upon every single Prophet whom He sent, but the laws varied and some of them abrogated others. Some things that were permissible at the time of Adam (peace be upon him) were abrogated at the time of Nooh (peace be upon him).

The laws that existed at the time of Moosa (Moses – peace be upon him) were partially abrogated at the time of ‘Eesa (Jesus – peace be upon him), as Allaah tells us (interpretation of the meaning):

“To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way”

[al-Maa’idah 5:48]

So once this is understood, we will realize that plural marriage did not exist only in the law of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather it existed in the laws of all the previous Prophets. For example, Ya’qoob (Jabob – peace be upon him) had two wives and was married to two sisters at the same time, according to the Old Testament, as it says in the Book of Genesis 29:15-35.

The father of the Prophets, Ibraaheem (Abraham – peace be upon him) was also married to two women, Haajar (Hagar) and Saara (Sarah). The Old Testament mentions that the Prophet of Allaah Dawood (David) had seventy or ninety-nine wives, and Sulaymaan (Solomon) had one hundred wives. These and other examples demonstrate that each of the Prophets implemented the laws that Allaah had prescribed. Plural marriage is not only for this ummah (nation – i.e., the Muslims). The fact that the Christians do not allow it may be for two reasons:

1 – This is one of the laws of Allaah which was binding before the time of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

2 – They introduced their own innovation and went to extremes in this matter, as in the case of monasticism which they invented and which was not prescribed for them, but they sought to earn the pleasure of Allaah thereby.

We ask Allaah to guide you and to help you find the true religion, which is Islam, and the path of the Prophet of Mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) according to the understanding of his noble Companions.

And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.

Source: http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10469/bible corrupt
 

John Smith

Junior Member
Too much effort is given to the one who is not interested in embracing Islam but looking at ways to sew discord & debate a already lost point.

Reminds me of the Ape pusher Scotty.
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
Can any of the knowledgeable brothers and sisters point out these verses/hadiths please? I can't remember the exact wording.

Please do not consider me among knowledgeable because Allah knows I am not. I am just a Talib al-'Ilm (Student of knowledge).

Here is a verse talking about that.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from Allaah,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” (Surah al-Baqarah, Verse Number 79)
 

Casiva

A Servant of Allah
I cannot continue to debate with you, you are clearly not honest with yourself....how can we have a rational converstion when you are so clearly biased? There have benn many translations of the Koran, just as there have been many of the Bible. I'm willing to accept the facts, you are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_translations

No, you are avoiding me because you can't answer my questions and logical facts. You forced me to accept your version of truth, while you provided no logical explanation. How could I accept something that makes no sense? After failed to convince me, you accused me of bias, without realizing that you were being bias yourself.
Also, translation is not version. Many muslims have explained it but you are still blind and insist about your wrong fact. Sorry to say that you can't twist anything here. Muslims are not stupid and always check and recheck everything.
I can see that you have so little will to learn about Islam. I don't see any reasons why I must continue this debate with you. I will let other muslim, who hopefully more patient, to take care of the likes of you from now. I hope Allah can give His guide to you someday
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Too much effort is given to the one who is not interested in embracing Islam but looking at ways to sew discord & debate a already lost point.

Reminds me of the Ape pusher Scotty.

Scotty was a good kid with good intentions, I agreed with him myself but know better after discussing this on here that like 99% do not agree so its futile to try.
 

Iprofessshirk

New Member
Thank you for the replies. I am truly interested in the answers to my questions. I'll readily admit that I'm pretty solid in my Christian belief's, but I do not desire to sow discord, I'm honestly seeking truth. I really appreciate what I've already learned thus far, however, there is still a lot further to go before I would be convinced of Islam. If you wish me to leave, I will do so willingly. But please do not misunderstand my honest inquiry.

Hi,
I hope the following video might have some insights to offer

[video=youtube;SCXlFWBcxBo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXlFWBcxBo[/video]

WOW, great video...I thoroughly enjoyed it, thanks. I especially appreciated the interview at 1:12:25, and I would tend to agree with his viewpoints. The narrator is obviously a skeptic and started off with the assumption that the Old Testament cannot be read literally, but I disagree with him...and so did Jesus who quoted from and added much credability to the older texts.

It does help me better understand the Muslim's doubts though, so I do appreciate it.

But then... there doesn't seem to be any problem here whatsoever. See, we muslims call the original Bible, the one that was inspired to Jesus through God the "Injeel." The Injeel was the original original thing in Aramaic, given to Jesus to spread His message to mankind. And later on throughout the years so many saints and others added to it, hid some parts, edited other parts, and basically changed the meaning so much that it became today's present day "Bible."

We believe that the Bible is corrupt, but the original Injeel was not. Why do we believe this? Because the Quran talks about how the original Taurah and Injeel were given to Moses and Jesus respectively (peace be upon them). But both books suffered greatly.

There are verses in the Quran speaking about those people who hide those ayats from previous books, and hadiths as well. Ayats saying how people who purchase evil for the ayats of Allah are the losers. Can any of the knowledgeable brothers and sisters point out these verses/hadiths please? I can't remember the exact wording.

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Also, I wonder if this will be of any help



Source: http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10469/bible corrupt

That is helpful, thanks for the thoughtful reply. :) I think I'm also starting to understand better why you believe something is wrong. See, Christians believe that Jesus is the word/message. His teachings, His words, His life, and His sacrific is the message. Apparent to me from your reply, Muslims believe that Jesus wrote down something which has been lost......am I understanding that correctly? That's really quite revolutionary to me, and really helps me a lot.

Also, there is no reason why the Qur'an's passages about this could not be interpretted in a way which support's the Christan believe...they don't say explicitlly that Jesus wrote the Gospel.

Wikipedia said:
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
—Quran, sura 3 (Al-i-Imran) ayah 3[17]
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
—Quran sura 5, (Al-Ma'ida), ayah 46-47

Please do not consider me among knowledgeable because Allah knows I am not. I am just a Talib al-'Ilm (Student of knowledge).

Here is a verse talking about that.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from Allaah,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” (Surah al-Baqarah, Verse Number 79)

Thank you for the reference :)
 

xAllahKnowsBestx

Junior Member
Thank you for the replies. I am truly interested in the answers to my questions. I'll readily admit that I'm pretty solid in my Christian belief's, but I do not desire to sow discord, I'm honestly seeking truth. I really appreciate what I've already learned thus far, however, there is still a lot further to go before I would be convinced of Islam. If you wish me to leave, I will do so willingly. But please do not misunderstand my honest inquiry.

I think you're fine.. I'm learning a lot through this thread as well, honestly.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
Thank you for the replies. I am truly interested in the answers to my questions. I'll readily admit that I'm pretty solid in my Christian belief's, but I do not desire to sow discord, I'm honestly seeking truth. I really appreciate what I've already learned thus far, however, there is still a lot further to go before I would be convinced of Islam. If you wish me to leave, I will do so willingly. But please do not misunderstand my honest inquiry.

I honestly think you need to go to the local Mosque and take your questions to a Sheikh. Theyre very nice at the Mosque, just call ahead of time and make an appt so they can have a scholar of Islam on site to help you. Just like you would tell us to take our questions to an actual Pastor, a person who has a degree in Christian theology. Many religious questions cannot be answered in completion by lay-men. Which most of us are.
 

Iprofessshirk

New Member
I honestly think you need to go to the local Mosque and take your questions to a Sheikh. Theyre very nice at the Mosque, just call ahead of time and make an appt so they can have a scholar of Islam on site to help you. Just like you would tell us to take our questions to an actual Pastor, a person who has a degree in Christian theology. Many religious questions cannot be answered in completion by lay-men. Which most of us are.

Actually, one of the best parts so far is all the great links I've gotten. There are many great sites on the interent with lots of good information....mostly it was a problem of not knowing where to find the answers to my questions, so that has been very helpful. Thanks for the suggestion of talking to a Sheikh...I'll look into it.
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
So, you are saying that Muhammah had a Bible in Aramaic? I'm pretty sure he had access to either Greek/Hebrew texts or a Latin translation. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are very wrong again. Please do not talk about things which you do not have any proof. This might be new to you, but Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was an illiterate who cannot read nor write.

"And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted." (Surah al-'Ankaboot, Verse 48)

How can he have access to any book when he was an illiterate? It was another miracle Allah given to him.

I did not say Muhammad (pbuh) had a Bible in Aramaic, nor in Hebrew or Greek. He did not have ANY Bible with him. Everything in Quran was the revelation to him from the Almighty Allah.
 
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