About Jumu'ah and Jammaat Prayers

Zaii

LifeIsAStruggle____
:salam2: Brothers and Sisters,

I have a question about Jumu'ah prayers and prayers done in jammat, not regarding the Imaam, but regarding the follower.

1.Do you need to recite Thanaa, Surah Fatihah and a Surah or do you listen to the Imaam whilst he is reciting in both Jumu'ah and Jammat?

2.When in Jammat prayer, do you need to recite Surah Fatihah in 3rd and 4th Rakats?

3. Do you read Tashahud alone or do you read Tashahud, Allahumma Salli 'Ala and a Du'aa?

It would help me alot if the above questions are answered InshAllah.

JazakhAllah Khairan
:salam2:
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
:salam2: Brothers and Sisters,

I have a question about Jumu'ah prayers and prayers done in jammat, not regarding the Imaam, but regarding the follower.

1.Do you need to recite Thanaa, Surah Fatihah and a Surah or do you listen to the Imaam whilst he is reciting in both Jumu'ah and Jammat?

2.When in Jammat prayer, do you need to recite Surah Fatihah in 3rd and 4th Rakats?

3. Do you read Tashahud alone or do you read Tashahud, Allahumma Salli 'Ala and a Du'aa?

It would help me alot if the above questions are answered InshAllah.

JazakhAllah Khairan
:salam2:

Wa 'alaikkumus salaam wa rahmatullaah...

1) With regards to your first question, then this is a matter in which is difference of opinion and what seems to be the stronger opinion, and Allaah knows best, is the opinion that one must recite Surah Fatihah... Here is a fatwa regarding this matter...

Praise be to Allaah.

Reciting al-Faatihah is one of the essential parts of the prayer, and is to be recited in each rak’ah both by the imaam and by those who are being led by him, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book [i.e., al-Faatihah].” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 714). With regard to one who is following an imaam reciting al-Faatihah behind the imaam in a prayer where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, there are two scholarly opinions.

The first opinion is that it is obligatory, the evidence for that being the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book [i.e., al-Faatihah].” And because when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught the one who had not prayed properly, he told him to recite al-Faatihah.

It was narrated in a saheeh report that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to recite it in every rak’ah. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari: “It was proven that permission was given to the one who is praying behind an imaam to recite al-Faatihah in prayers in which Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, without any exceptions. That is what was narrated by al-Bukhaari in Juz’ al-Qiraa’ah, and by al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Hibbaan and others, from Makhool from Mahmood ibn al-Rabee’ from ‘Ubaadah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stumbled in his recitation in Fajr, and when he finished he said, “Perhaps you recite behind your imaam?” They said, “Yes,” He said, “Do not do that, except for the Opening of the Book (al-Faaithah), for there is no prayer for the one who does not recite it.”

The second opinion is that the recitation of the imaam is also the recitation of the one who is praying behind him. The evidence for that is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“So, when the Qur’aan is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy” [al-A’raaf 7:204]

Ibn Hajar said: “Those who say that (the one who is praying behind an imaam) does not have to recite it in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, such as the Maalikis, quote as evidence the hadeeth, ‘When he recites then listen attentively.’ This is a saheeh hadeeth which was narrated by Muslim from Abu Moosa al-‘Ash’ari.”

Those who say that it is obligatory say that it should be recited after the imaam has finished reciting al-Faatihah and before he starts to recite another soorah, or that it should be recited when the imam pauses. Ibn Hajar said: “He should listen when the imam is reciting, and recite it when he is silent.”

Shaykh Ibn Baaz said, “What is meant by when the imam pauses is when he pauses during al-Faatihah or after reciting it, or in the soorah that he recites after it. If the imam does not pause, then the one who is praying behind him has to recite al-Faatihah even if the imam is reciting, according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions.” (See Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, vol. 11, p. 221)

The Standing Committee was asked a similar question and replied as follows:

The correct scholarly opinion is that it is obligatory to recite al-Faatihah when praying alone and it is obligatory upon the imam and those whom he is leading both in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud and when it is to be recited silently, because of the soundness and specific nature of the texts which indicate that. The aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“So, when the Qur’aan is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy”

[al-A’raaf 7:204] is general in meaning. The hadeeth, “When the Qur’aan is recited then listen attentively” is general and applies both to al-Faatihah and other soorahs. These two texts are general in meaning, and the following hadeeth refer to an exception to that rule:

“There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book.” Thus we may reconcile all the proven evidence. The hadeeth “The recitation of the imaam is the recitation of the one who is praying behind him” is da’eef (weak). It is not correct to say that the Ameen of the congregation to the imaam’s recitation of al-Faatihah takes the place of their own recitation. The differences of opinion among the scholars concerning this matter should not be taken as a means to hate one another, and to divide and turn our backs on one another. Rather you have to study the matter in more detail and find out more. If one of you is following a scholar who says that the one who is praying behind an imam has to recite al-Faatihah during prayers in which Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, and others are following a scholar who says that they must be silent and listen to the imam in prayers where Qur’aan is to be recited out loud, and that the imam’s recitation of al-Faatihah is sufficient, there is nothing wrong with that. There is no need for one group to denounce the other, or to hate one another because of that.

They have to be open-minded about differences of opinion among the scholars, and about the reasons for that, and ask Allaah to guide them in matters concerning which there are differences of opinion as to what is correct, for He is the All-Hearing, Ever-Responsive. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

2) With regards to this question, then yes one must recite Surah Al Fatihah as this is from the arkaan of the Salaah (pillars of Salaah) and thus omitting it will invalidate one's salaah. This is based on the hadeeth of hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book [i.e., al-Faatihah].”

3) And yes one must send salaam upon the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: now the question is whether to say "Allahumma salli a'la Muhammed" or is it sufficient to say "Assalamu alayka ayuhan nabiyyu wa rahmathullaahi wa ...." (Before the Shahadah), Sheikh Salih Al Fawzaan in his book says it is sufficient to say ""Assalamu alayka ayuhan nabiyyu wa rahmathullaahi wa ...." but when I was going through fiqh of Salaah, it was told that some scholars say that to be on the safe side you say "Allahumma salli a'la Muhammed" and this is what I learnt, and Allaah knows best. With regards to making dua' after the tashahud and before the tasleem then this is recommended to so, however omitting it will not invalidate the salaah.

Wa salaamu 'alaikkum
 

salapuddin35

Junior Member
for question number 1 was able to download a khutbah mp3 file and i can only hear the imam reciting the al-fatihan and probably the other surah's from the quran the only thing i can hear from the congregation was the ameen

still would really like to hear more about the khutbah probably one of these days might go to a masjid coz im still trying to learn the salah.
 

asalaf salih

Junior Member
IF YOU STILL DID NOT LEARNED AL FATIHA EN EVEN THE ONCE WHOM ARE ABLE TO DO THAT. SHEIKH AL ALBANI ZEGT IF THE IMAM IS READING IT " JAHRAN" LOUDLY YOU DON' T NEED TO RECITE. WHY BECAUSE ALLAH SOUBHANAH SAID IF AL QURAAN IS GETTING RECITED LISTEN TO IT. AND WHEN THE IMAM RECITE QUIETLY IN THE 3D AND THE 4TH RAK3A YOU NEED TO DO THAT YOURSELF. BUT IF YOU STILL DID NOT LEARN IT ALLAH DOES NOT OBLIGE YOU SOMETHING WITCH YOU CAN' T. wA ALLAH KNOWS BETTER.
tASHAHUD IN THE FIRST 2 RAKKA3AT IF A THIRD OR A 4TH RAKK3A WILL FOLLOW. AND THE HALL TASHAHUD CLOSING YOUR SALAT.
IF YOUR SALAT IS MADE JUST OF 2 RAKAA3AT YOU NEED TO DO THE HALL TASHAHUD CLOSING YOUR SALAT.
 
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