gadaffi caught

[samiha]

@ Salam2You... darling, you're young right.... I remember being in your shoes, honestly I do, and realizing the world isn't nearly as black and white as it seems. There's not just a case of right and wrong, good guys vs bad guys, but just people. People who can do unimaginable cruelties... thus people who are not equal to others in our sorrow for them.

When you feel sympathy for Gaddafi recall these incidents:

Evidence gathered by Reuters in the provincial town of Khoms shows an organised system of repression with methods including delivering electric shocks to suspects' genitals, keeping them for weeks in baking heat with only a few sips of water a day, and whipping them with an electrical cable while their hands were bound with plastic ties.

The squads allegedly then disposed of their bodies in unmarked graves in a campaign to smash the revolt against his rule.

It was all part of a deliberate strategy, said Nabil Al-Menshaz, an official in the rebel council which took over Khoms after Gaddafi's rule there collapsed last month. "They wanted to frighten the people, so if anyone was thinking of going over to the rebels, they would change their minds," he said.

The brutality of Gaddafi's forces in the capital, Tripoli, in the final, chaotic days before rebels overran the city has been well documented. Dozens of bodies were left lying in the streets, and witnesses described prisoners being massacred before their gaolers fled. Thousands more were killed in battles in cities like Misurata and Zawiyah.

But accounts from Khoms paint a different, and in some ways even more sinister picture. Months before the rebel victory, and out of sight of the outside world, Gaddafi was operating a system of torture - separate from the army and police - that was so well-organised the units has their own command structures and bureaucracy.

Full Article

(I don't generally like the daily mail because I feel it's sort of tabloidy but...)

Gaddafi Torture Chambers

As we went downstairs, there was a door made of heavy iron bars. Inside were four tiny – and empty – cells, about 5ft by 3ft. With their tiled floors, they looked like nothing more than shower rooms. But several prisoners were often stuffed inside, their crimes perhaps nothing more than uttering a word out of place in a nation ruled by fear.

Chillingly, they were still smeared with blood, marking where brutalised prisoners had lain in agony on the ground after the torment of torture. Most terribly of all, in the first cell, there were two bloodstained handprints sliding down a wall.

These bloody handprints from an unknown victim of Gaddafi serve as a potent symbol for his vicious regime. He imposed his 42-year rule on Libyans using the terror of such neighbourhood torture chambers as much as his infamous prisons.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ool-used-brutalise-enemies.html#ixzz1bOFjnUCw

Go on, view the images, they're graphic, but they're real.

The bodies of up to 150 Libyan civilians were found yesterday near Tripoli after allegedly being massacred by pro-Gaddafi forces.

Journalists said they counted as many as 53 executed bodies in a burnt-out farm warehouse near the Khamis military base where the murders are thought to have taken place last Tuesday and Wednesday.

The bodies of two soldiers were found with their hands tied behind their backs. Locals believe they refused to fire on the people being held inside the warehouse, and were then murdered

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssacred-pro-Gaddafi-forces.html#ixzz1bOG4TWhQ

Libyan MASSACRE

(AP) TRIPOLI, Libya — A bone wrapped with rope and skull fragments scattered over a cactus-covered desert field are grim testament to a 1996 massacre of more than 1,200 prisoners by Muammar Qaddafi's regime.

...The June 26, 1996, killings became a focal point for opposition to Qaddafi who waged fierce crackdowns against any sign of dissent. Most of the inmates were political prisoners, including Islamic clerics and students who had dared to speak against Qaddafi

...He said he was out of the country in 1996 but later spent several years imprisoned himself.

Abu Salim — where for decades Qaddafi had locked up and tortured opponents, or made them disappear — sits empty now after the prisoners were freed as an invading rebel force was sweeping Qaddafi's regime from the capital.

Al-Saadi and other former inmates said they faced torture and inhumane living conditions. Al-Saadi said he was refused medical treatment for a heart condition during his detention.

Read More: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/25/501364/main20111392.shtml

Also... their Nurse.. an Ethiopian woman (warning graphic):

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These are things that are being uncovered RECENTLY. Imagine 42 YEARS of this.

It's easy to say two wrongs don't make a right, but let's not ever make those 'wrongs' seem equal in any way. One should hate a person to the level of their evil, and love them to the level of their good. And I really would care less how much 'good' the man has done, compared to the level of oppression towards the Muslimeen in the country, and his personal actions, and his wrongs against the Deen - the evil far outweighs ANY good and I can firmly say I hate him.

Now, imagine if these stories were about your brother or sister or close relative in this situation. And in a way they are yours, because surely as you say the Muslims are one Ummah, so they are your brothers and sister, and any Muslim under this situation your heart should go out to as well.

After imagining so, it's a superficial thing to say, "it doesn't matter what he's done..." that trivializes the pain and tears of so many of your brothers and sisters, and is quite hypocritical. Because you know what? If it did happen to YOU, to YOUR family, you wouldn't be standing back saying "it doesn't matter what he's done, let's treat him nicely".

If you do, there's something apathetically wrong with you. Even the Prophet 'alayhi salaatu wa salaam did not treat the man who killed Hamza the same, even after he accepted Islaam.

... Not to mention, yes, scholars are the ones who have the right of takfeer first and foremost. Because of their knowledge and understanding, they can judge the apparent actions of a person and their statements, and issue rulings declaring them as having left the fold of Islaam. Why? Because our Deen is not one where a person can just say or have in their 'heart' that they are Muslims because they've testified to the Shahadah, but it must be apparent through words and deeds. We're not Murji' - these things have a direct correlation to Imaan and being within the fold of Islaam, so scholars and knowledgeable people who are aware of the situation are able to pass this sort of ruling.

And the takfeer of Gaddafi by the scholars is quite well known.

All I hope in the least is that this is some food for thought.

wasalaamu 'alaykum

 

[esperanza]

I was going through few non Muslims media, written by non Muslims. Some are condemning the manner they handle his dead body. Are we not suppose to be better than these kuffars?

Those loved one that he may have killed, are brothers and sisters of all Muslims. If he had killed my brother, surely I would be happy that he is dead for good but I will stop humiliating his dead body.

The issue here is not he is good or bad, he is dead and in every religion there are manners in handling the dead. They should not treat his corpse like animal corpse. Again, it is not about who is Gaddafi, it is about the manner they are humiliating his dead corpse. Pls understand.

yes nad if you wathc the news channels...bbc showed the pictures only briefly and warned they are disturbing ..whi;le arab channels kept showing again and again ,,,insensitive

 

[esperanza]

found thois comment wriiten by a libyan on a news page..


As I look on the death photos of a man that has been a presence in my life for a majority of my years, I can not help but feel a sadness. This man could have been a man of destiny, a man of peace, a beloved leader of the people of Libya, but instead he chose to walk the road of terror and mass murder.

To the Libyan people, I know there is grief and happiness across your beautiful land. May Allah guide you as you set up your new government and may peace without terror reside in your homes and land. Let the healing begin now. It is easy to hate one old enemy but with the blessing of Allah you can move on without hate in your heart


maybe this is how we should try to think

 

[Salam2You]

Salaam alaikum sister samiha,

JazakAllah khair for your understanding, I just admit I don't believe everything I see now. I used to be very gullible, but alhamdulillah I've learnt from that and have become more mature because of researching the depths of history and so on.

I would like to admit that I don't believe that video, I know I may sound ignorant but I believe absolutely nothing to do with the media. I despise the media with a passion and I intend to never believe it tells the truth, there is always another side.

I know, I know... I may sound like a very crazy ignorant conspiracy theorist but from what I've been through - this is the world today, trust no one..

I don't care, wait, we shouldn't care about the luxury Gaddafi and his life had, it's his life. Does anyone believe Obama doesn't go on holiday to a 5 star hotel? Or wears clothes from a local store?

I'm going to sound crazy now but I will share what I think about that video. This is not a fact but my opinion - I believe that lady was hired and threatened to be killed if she didn't say what she said in the video. Yes, it's actually a possibility. Whoever was behind that, NATO members, CIA, etc. the fact that this lady comes on the news now all bruised I don't believe a word.

I don't mind being called a conspiracy theorist but I don't trust this world any more, no one at all.
This is all through my past and I've learnt from it. I could actually imagine an evil man in a cellar with that lady as she's threatened to say what he tells her to say or her family/her would get killed. It's not a stupid idea.

If it's true, forgive my ignorance that you see in me, I just can't buy it

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Let's move on everyone. The one our opponents want to see is happening here.. Muslims vs Muslims. In Libya, physically, here we are having feud via this forum.. they are clapping hands... let cool down and we talk about it later when emotions are over and when we are ready to forgive and forget each other. Soon it will be another egg and chicken story without ending.

 

[samiha]

Salaam alaikum sister samiha,

JazakAllah khair for your understanding, I just admit I don't believe everything I see now. I used to be very gullible, but alhamdulillah I've learnt from that and have become more mature because of researching the depths of history and so on.

I would like to admit that I don't believe that video, I know I may sound ignorant but I believe absolutely nothing to do with the media. I despise the media with a passion and I intend to never believe it tells the truth, there is always another side.

wa'alaykum salaam

Why do I feel the point was missed? Don't focus on one video, but the bigger image. And ukht, in efforts to verify information, really don't go overboard into making yourself paranoid in giving excuses.

These kinds of stories were known, and verified by Muslims. You'll find it's a known thing, NOT just some media vilification.

And really sis, again don't let your mistrust make stories - esp in defense of such a thing. Yeah, media is corrupt and they've done many things, but realize that it wasnt just simple 'bruises' on that woman. There was actual pus dripping from her wounds and head if youve noticed. This is something if the government had done, would have been covered up and hidden away more likely - rather than given exposure, on the off chance that it would one day come out.

I'm no fan of the government, nor any more trusting. And I've been gullible and still am to some extent, but the opposite isn't in going this way.

And did you read the other articles as well? If you did, you'd realize I don't care a whit about his luxuries or his weird ways, that is not the problem. Read the articles in full. Go to other news outlets and read them as well. Has it been hidden and covered up all these years and neglected? Yes. Does the media have an agenda? Yes. But does it make these stories untrue? Not at all.

I would be skeptical if I was given any reason to be, but his own people don't support him and wanted him dead, that should be enough to show there was some major, major problem there.


In any case, like I said...the point now should be looking into the future, and praying for the best outcome for our brothers and sisters. If the country moves towards Islaam, or a better society, it's not going to be an easy outcome, so we'll just have to wait and see...

 

[Idris16]

This infuriates me. Do whatever the heck you want to do, be as barbaric as you want to be BUT LEAVE ALLAH'S NAME OUT OF YOUR TORTURE.

I agree with you on this because the NTC dont arrest the kuffar that are behind the massacre of Muslims in Afghanistan. They shout Takbir on some people and shut their mouths on other people. Some people are outright stupid like those people in *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*! forum... they shout takfir right and left but many of them do not even question the likes of NTC.

 

[Aapa]

ASsalaam walaikum,

Came across this; worth reading for its honesty.

Gaddafi death hasn't stopped war in Libya - expert


-"What we have been witnessing is a redistribution of spheres of influence, where the United States is the main player."
-The American economy is in need of inexpensive oil, so the U.S. government is even ready to wage wars, if only oil arrives...Any country with large reserves of energy resources - Iran, Syria, Venezuela or Nigeria, could come next..."The U.S. will be turning the enslaved countries into a replica of Iraq: it will plant a puppet government there and give the use of the country to oil companies. The same will happen to Libya, of course."

MOSCOW: Fighting will continue in Libya by all accounts after Gadhafi's death, and Syria, Iran, Yemen, Venezuela and Nigeria could be the next in the line of countries likely to follow in Libya's footsteps, said experts, polled by the daily Kommersant.

"Citizens of Libya have realized that the new government is not bringing anything good to the nation and even attacked Tripoli, inflicting serious damage on the authorities. Exactly they could become a replacement to Gaddafi, but the West will do all it can to ward off this prospect. A Libya with an independent government will not suit it," said Leonid Ivashov, the president of the Geopolitical Problems Academy. The war did not end after Gadhafi's death, he said.

Asked by Kommersant who will be the next, most experts said Syria and Iran will not escape Libya's fate.

"As one watches the general trend in the Arab revolutions one can see that the secular-type dictators, with whom at least some sort of a deal could be reached, are being removed in an attempt to replace them with Wahhabis. Behind all this stands Saudi Arabia, which has been building up its influence in search for a dominating role in the region," said Yevgeny Satanovsky, the president of the Middle East Institute.

This is extremely dangerous since no agreement at all can be forged with the radicals. "The entire sequence of the Arab revolutions is the outcome of one game played by the Islamists," Satanovsky said.

Deputy head of the Liberal Democratic Party faction Maxim Rokhmistrov agrees with this opinion and he argues that exactly the leaders "who are not dictators" are being removed in the Arab revolutions.

"All those who have been to Libya know that Gaddafi was not a tyrant, while living standards in that country where higher than in many of the industrialized states...," he said.

"What we have been witnessing is a redistribution of spheres of influence, where the United States is the main player," he said.

State Duma Deputy Vadim Solovyov of the Communist Party faction shares this opinion. The American economy is in need of inexpensive oil, so the U.S. government is even ready to wage wars, if only oil arrives, he said. Any country with large reserves of energy resources - Iran, Syria, Venezuela or Nigeria, could come next, he said.

"The U.S. will be turning the enslaved countries into a replica of Iraq: it will plant a puppet government there and give the use of the country to oil companies. The same will happen to Libya, of course," he said.

...http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27207

 

[Bubbybobble]

Salams,

Question. I will admit, I'm American and have no knowlege on this stuff beyond, uh, TV. A few things I don't get. How the heck was the US supporting this guy, then all of a sudden he 'goes crazy'? Granted the stuff I've seen is terrible...but 42 years of this?

Also, the way the people rejoiced over his body....made me uncomfortable. I know, I'm 'supposed' to be happy someone, uh, evil is dead. But it's hard for me to do that. Heck, I found it disturbing learning in my WWII class how Mussolini's body was paraded around the street.

Also, if we're not supposed to defend ourselves from evil Muslim leaders....then...how exactly does a society function that way? Is oppression not a sin? I can just see an infinte loop of evil dictators happening.

I dunno, the world just confuses me. Back to being in my own little world.

 

[Bubbybobble]

Dang...can't edit posts.

Also, how exactly is getting rid of Ghadaffi going to be good for the people? We gotta put a replacement there.....which could cause even more issues. If history has proven anything, the people who take over aren't always the kindness.

I mean, come on. The US started because many people wanted their 'freedom' from Europe from religious persectution, being a peasant, etc. But look what they did to the people that were already living here.....

 

[sister herb]

Have you ever read american good night story?


Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, son.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well!, f or one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalist's?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate .

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men. Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?!
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts!, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s! ?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the real world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.

 

[esperanza]

good story..thanks

 

[ratna_abdat]

Salam2you,
I really agree with you sister, I never believe that they become gangster like nato

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

I think I have been reading and thinking too much...

the trouble with the story is that it is also mocking Sharia. And we have to be careful with that.

 

[Bubbybobble]

sister harb,


Read the story, now all confused and stuff. I mean, I've been researching on stuff and I just finally figured the world is a whole bunch of hypocrites.

One thing I know is this, countries could never truly be evil. They're just subject to time, and that always changes. Friends become enemies, enemies become friends.

I think countries appear to be enemies, but are friends underground. If middle eastern countries, according to the US, are grounds for terror....then why do we send billions of dollars to them getting oil?

I hate thinking sometimes, mah head's gonna explode.