gadaffi caught

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

One dictator less.


You might like him but what about people in Libya? Those whose have suffered in hands of "security" forces of Qaddafi during decades? Don´t forget them - they know truth of this man. Ask why they now dancing in the streets of Libya.

Who might be next one who will meet real opinion of his own people? Assad in Syria maybe?
 

Salam2You

Lil' Muslimah
What about someone who changes the text of the Quran. And to reject the Sunnah all together. And prays Asr 3 units of prayers, and prays the same prayer Jahran (loudly) and recites Surah 112 loudly and omits some words from the Surah. Then After the prayer when they pointed out to him that Asr is 4 units of prayers. He challenged them to bring them an Aya in the Quran which states that Asr is 4 Rak3as (units of prayers.) That was Gaddafi. And much more. And the Faattwa was given after those scholars met him personally and questioned his rejection of the Sunnah and after the meeting it was confirmed that he rejects the Sunnah...

Ok I understand but I still feel that behaviour is inappropriate. Islam is about peace, forgiveness, care and everything of great, sweet and positive outcomes but sadly these outcomes become trashed in every way possible by whomever wills. So Gaddafi said what he said, Allah is capable of judging him, not us.

We are all only humans. One may be a tyrant, or arrogant or anything of evil but we have no right to judge each other because we're humans - we make mistakes, faults, flaws, you name it. Allah alone can judge because He is the Greatest, the flawless, the most high, the perfect!

All I can say is no Muslim should celebrate another Muslim's death, that is not true brotherhood in Islam. I don't mean to leave kaffirs out on purpose, I'm just trying to show that Islam is about sister/brotherhood and we shall not dance over a dead man's body, subhanAllah.

I hope I made my points clear, I hope for no conflict but to convey Islam in a peaceful manner though it is hard to keep my anger back, I try.

I really do hope you all forgive me and understand my point of view..
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
:salam2:


The ones who killed him are no different. He may have done lot of evil in his time but he may have done good as well. Whatever the case maybe, if he is truly dead then there is nothing for anyone here to say about him. His account is between him and Allah now.

As for the thugs that killed him and the US backed rebel terrorists that waged war in the country to over throw him, they are no different in their crimes against humanity. Allah will judge all of these puppets of the west.

I'm not going to watch that video nor ever will watch any such videos. I suggest you don't either, not everything is what it seems. Just know that what is happening is meant to be, the dictators were put in place by the west and their own greed and they will be taken off by the west as well.

Allah is removing dictatorship and tyrannical rule to prepare for the next governorship on His earth, Khalifah, as per the hadith of the Prophet s.a.w. IF you are only 15, inshallah remain steadfast in your deen and inshallah be ready to see the Al-Mahdi in your life time.

:salam2:

Jazzak Allah khair dear brother for your advices and your good response MashAllah.

May Allah protect and guide our Muslim Ummah. Ameen.:tti_sister:


:wasalam:
 

esperanza

revert of many years
strange thought confusing opinions...


people defend gadaffis torture and killing while others attack islamic countries and insult their people...maybe time to leave this place..where evil is defended and good criticised
mayALLAh forgive me but im really lost here
 

Hatty

Junior Member
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

Dear brother, first let me remaind you,and all of us InshAllah, that this kind of torture over one human body is strictly forbidden in Islam and that this kind of behaviour is very wrong and very hurting, Astagfirullah.

I apologise brother, but I did not understood for what are you saying Allahu Akbaar and to who you are congratulating? Before congratulating and be happy for death of Ghadaffi we should mention other importante things, like this way of unhuman behaviour, and we as Muslims should judge this awfull and so hurting act.

Inshallah Ghadafi will respond for his deads on Day of Judgment but these who have only Muslim names will aslo respond for doing Zulum on Earth.

PS: Also brother please take care well of your words for the sake of Allah.Everyone who has soul is human being and he should be treated as human being does not metter which are his deads, he deserve to be treated like Allah subhanahu wa teala and our Prophet sallahu alayha wa salam thought us.Many Muslims today forget the real meaning and behaviour of one Muslim.

May Allah guide us all.Ameen.

:wasalam:


To make things clear. I am saying Allaho Akbar for the end of this tyrant. I praise Allah that he ended him and he is no more. I am also concerned with the next chapter which is the real challenge. The challenge to build and invest in the people of Libya and to build and invest in the country for thhe better and in accordance with Islam.

I do not agree with the way he was treated by those who caught him. But I will give them the benefit of the doubt before giving my judgement on them...I believe they were caught up in the moments. They were in hysterical situation. Hence the behavior.

Allah knows best....
 

islamirama

www.netmuslims.com
strange thought confusing opinions...


people defend gadaffis torture and killing while others attack islamic countries and insult their people...maybe time to leave this place..where evil is defended and good criticised
mayALLAh forgive me but im really lost here

exactly my thoughts. Why are you defending the unislamic barbaric rebel terrorists for the way killing of so many civilians and torturing Ghaddafi to death. yes, Gaddafi did bad things, he was a bad boy. But do two wrongs make a right? And why are you defending, torturers, rapists and murderers thinking it's an attack on an "islamic" country?
 

Salam2You

Lil' Muslimah
Quick question,

Gaddafi died, but if his son or daughter or wife was left alive would they take charge of Lybia?
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
If you like to to be defensive about him you should have told him when he killed your brothers and sisters. Was he not Muslim at the time when he publicly hanged people, ordered to rape woman or when he enjoyed having female body guards?


Yes only Allah can judge him as he claimed he is the king of the kings and his green book is the new Shariah. History has evidence all rulers/dictators who killed people ruthlessly died the same way. There is so much more to tell about him but he is dead so no point talking about him.
 

Salam2You

Lil' Muslimah
Gaddafi a 'bad' Muslim?

Purification laws
See also: LGBT rights in Libya and Women in Libya
Libya's society became increasingly Islamic during Gaddafi's rule. His "purification laws" were put into effect in 1994, punishing theft by the amputation of limbs, and fornication and adultery by flogging.[86] Under the Libyan constitution, homosexual relations are punishable by up to 5 years in jail.[87] A Westerner was shocked in 2005 to see Libyan society, saying it was:
... a country without alcohol, where the population abides by strict codes of male-female conduct that require both sexes to stay virgins until marriage—there are no dance clubs, no bars, no young couples strolling down the street, holding hands...I go in search of the town hotspot and discover it to be the local internet café, where crowds of young men play video games, enter English-language chat rooms, and examine—however surreptitiously—Western *!*!*!*! sites. It takes me a few minutes to notice that there’s not a single woman in the place. Away from the progressive cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, women stay largely in the home, out of sight. A local man, Mahmud, tells me that women here aren’t allowed to see or interact with males outside of their immediate family, including any would-be husband."
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

This goes just kind of talking like I wrote before in this thread: "he was good - he was bad"- talking.

Have you ever think that those whose don´t support Qaddafi, don´t automaticly support rebels? Qaddafi made his crimes long before than in Libya was any these rebels.

Better leave this discussion to this. Salam to all of you.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
yes sister i think this disussion will never end..

it will go on and on

but some of you who judge have not lived in libya and seen family members tortured killed hung in the street,,,not for going against shariah law..but for speaking out or just disagreeing


yes he should not be mistreated in death..but tell that to thousands who saw mutilated bodies of family members at his hands...those are facts
 

Perseveranze

Junior Member
Brothers and Sisters, please take heed -

Bukhari's report from 'Aishah that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "Do not speak ill of the dead; they have seen the result of (the deeds) that they forwarded before them." Abu Daw'ud and Tirmizhi have transmitted.​

yes he should not be mistreated in death..but tell that to thousands who saw mutilated bodies of family members at his hands...those are facts

Were Muslims, not barbarians. Before Islam came, the arabs would peel the skin of their victims bodies, called "mutilation". Islam eradicated such barbarism, as the Quran clearly states -

And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [2:190-191]
 

Hatty

Junior Member
Brothers and Sisters, please take heed -

Bukhari's report from 'Aishah that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "Do not speak ill of the dead; they have seen the result of (the deeds) that they forwarded before them." Abu Daw'ud and Tirmizhi have transmitted.​



Were Muslims, not barbarians. Before Islam came, the arabs would peel the skin of their victims bodies, called "mutilation". Islam eradicated such barbarism, as the Quran clearly states -

And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [2:190-191]


Beautifully said. This tread should end. It is over now. Inshallah, the Libyans will be able to succeed in building their lives and country Ameen and they will have a just system in place....Ameen.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
I couldn't even finish watching that video.

Mu'ammar Qaddhafi may have had alot to answer for but this was BARBARIC.

Absolute ANIMALS. How DARE they scream Allahu Akbar while cheering as they brutally beat another human being to a bloody pulp.

This infuriates me. Do whatever the heck you want to do, be as barbaric as you want to be BUT LEAVE ALLAH'S NAME OUT OF YOUR TORTURE.

Whoever wants to criticize my post, watch that video first before you pass judgment.

May Rabbana forgive us all for every single sin we've ever committed.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy. [Q, 49:10]

Firstly, pls ask your self, do you consider him a Muslim or not? If yes, though he may killed our brothers and sisters, he is dead and Allah is the best judge. Let Allah handle him. I'm learning Arabic, I was told the word "ikhwatun" in the above ayat, is the term Arabic people used to call their own brother. If you consider him a Muslim, that means he is like our own brother. So let us stop mocking over his dead body. Whatever he has done, let us forgive and pray for Allah to be merciful to him.

By the way, I never condone anything bad he has done at the same time why not talk about good things he has done since he is dead. It is unfair to talk bad about him when he can't come back to defend himself. Let's think about it.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Is this the way the Companions of the Prophet have behaved.

and:

Africa Open for Plunder Now that Libya Has Fallen – John Pilger
The Son of Africa claims a continent’s crown jewels
(JohnPilger.com) – On 14 October, President Barack Obama announced he was sending United States special forces troops to Uganda to join the civil war there. In the next few months, US combat troops will be sent to South Sudan, Congo and Central African Republic. They will only “engage” for “self-defence”, says Obama, satirically. With Libya secured, an American invasion of the African continent is under way.

Obama’s decision is described in the press as “highly unusual” and “surprising”, even “weird”. It is none of these things. It is the logic of American foreign policy since 1945. Take Vietnam. The priority was to halt the influence of China, an imperial rival, and “protect” Indonesia, which President Nixon called “the region’s richest hoard of natural resources… the greatest prize”. Vietnam merely got in the way; and the slaughter of more than three million Vietnamese and the devastation and poisoning of their land was the price of America achieving its goal. Like all America’s subsequent invasions, a trail of blood from Latin America to Afghanistan and Iraq, the rationale was usually “self defence” or “humanitarian”, words long emptied of their dictionary meaning.

In Africa, says Obama, the “humanitarian mission” is to assist the government of Uganda defeat the Lord’s resistance Army (LRA), which “has murdered, raped and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women and children in central Africa”. This is an accurate description of the LRA, evoking multiple atrocities administered by the United States, such as the bloodbath in the 1960s following the CIA-arranged murder of Patrice Lumumba, the Congolese independence leader and first legally elected prime minister, and the CIA coup that installed Mobutu Sese Seko, regarded as Africa’s most venal tyrant.

Obama’s other justification also invites satire. This is the “national security of the United States”. The LRA has been doing its nasty work for 24 years, of minimal interest to the United States. Today, it has few than 400 fighters and has never been weaker. However, US “national security” usually means buying a corrupt and thuggish regime that has something Washington wants. Uganda’s “president-for-life” Yoweri Museveni already receives the larger part of $45 million in US military “aid” – including Obama’s favourite drones. This is his bribe to fight a proxy war against America’s latest phantom Islamic enemy, the rag-tag al Shabaab group based in Somalia. The RTA will play a public relations role, distracting western journalists with its perennial horror stories.

However, the main reason the US is invading Africa is no different from that which ignited the Vietnam war. It is China. In the world of self-serving, institutionalised paranoia that justifies what General David Petraeus, the former US commander and now CIA director, implies is a state of perpetual war, China is replacing al-Qaeda as the official American “threat”. When I interviewed Bryan Whitman, an assistant secretary of defence at the Pentagon last year, I asked him to describe the current danger to America. Struggling visibly, he repeated, “Asymmetric threats … asymmetric threats”. These justify the money-laundering state-sponsored arms conglomerates and the biggest military and war budget in history. With Osama bin Laden airbrushed, China takes the mantle.

Africa is China’s success story. Where the Americans bring drones and destabilisation, the Chinese bring roads, bridges and dams. What they want is resources, especially fossil fuels. With Africa’s greatest oil reserves, Libya under Muammar Gaddafi was one of China’s most important sources of fuel. When the civil war broke out and Nato backed the “rebels” with a fabricated story about Gaddafi planning “genocide” in Benghazi, China evacuated its 30,000 workers in Libya. The subsequent UN security council resolution that allowed the west’s “humanitarian intervention” was explained succinctly in a proposal to the French government by the “rebel” National Transitional Council, disclosed last month in the newspaper Liberation, in which France was offered 35 per cent of Libya’s gross national oil production “in exchange” (the term used) for “total and permanent” French support for the NTC. Running up the Stars and Stripes in “liberated” Tripoli last month, US ambassador Gene Cretz blurted out: “We know that oil is the jewel in the crown of Libyan natural resources!”

The de facto conquest of Libya by the US and its imperial partners heralds a modern version of the “scramble for Africa” at the end of the 19th century.

Like the “victory” in Iraq, journalists have played a critical role in dividing Libyans into worthy and unworthy victims. A recent Guardian front page carried a photograph of a terrified “pro-Gaddafi” fighter and his wild-eyed captors who, says the caption, “celebrate”. According to General Petraeus, there is now a war “of perception… conducted continuously through the news media”.

For more than a decade the US has tried to establish a command on the continent of Africa, AFRICOM, but has been rebuffed by governments, fearful of the regional tensions this would cause. Libya, and now Uganda, South Sudan and Congo, provide the main chance. As WikiLeaks cables and the US National Strategy for Counter-terrorism reveal, American plans for Africa are part of a global design in which 60,000 special forces, including death squads, already operate in 75 countries, soon to be 120. As Dick Cheney pointed out in his 1990s “defence strategy” plan, America simply wishes to rule the world.

That this is now the gift of Barack Obama, the “Son of Africa”, is supremely ironic. Or is it? As Frantz Fanon explained in ‘Black Skin, White Masks’, what matters is not so much the colour of your skin as the power you serve and the millions you betray.

Source: JohnPilger.com
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
:salam2:
I think what we have seen is a big lesson for us all (humans)

Things change one day you are in your house having all you then then after a while your dead and being asked about all you have done . Let us be prepared.

Hurting people oppressing others is something very bad and may cause our ruin now and then.let us try to correct our attitude.

Allah subhanahu wa taala can change everything.

The only powerfull is Allah.

Let us pray that Allah subhanahu wa taala guide people of Libya and all muslems to follow the example of our prophet salla Allah alaihi wa sallam :astag::astag::astag:.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
I was going through few non Muslims media, written by non Muslims. Some are condemning the manner they handle his dead body. Are we not suppose to be better than these kuffars?

Those loved one that he may have killed, are brothers and sisters of all Muslims. If he had killed my brother, surely I would be happy that he is dead for good but I will stop humiliating his dead body.

The issue here is not he is good or bad, he is dead and in every religion there are manners in handling the dead. They should not treat his corpse like animal corpse. Again, it is not about who is Gaddafi, it is about the manner they are humiliating his dead corpse. Pls understand.
 

samiha

---------
Staff member
:salam2:

*sigh* I usually don't get involved in these types of threads here... for various reasons, but really there's more to this than simple judgments.

Basically what's done is done. We can stand from a distance and condemn and say this or that wasn't Islamic, this wansn't right etc.. and perhaps it is true. However, we are not and were not in this situation. We weren't there, we didn't lead the lives these people did, we didn't see our families tortured and oppressed in the hands of a dictator, so standing in our safe and aloof positions and passing judgment is really far too shallow a thing.

Do you think that the 'rebels' here just treated any and every person in this manner? If they did, if this was their representation a lot more stories would be out about this, rather it was not. There is a lot of understandable pent up emotion, years of hatred, anger, frustration, pain all bottled up into a moment they'd been waiting for - for ages, and so they reacted to that.

Perhaps he deserved it; many would say so and I won't deny them that; he's done far worse to others, and you know the saying, what goes around comes around. If you spend your life doing this, and oppressing others for years and years, you really really cannot expect them to handle you with a shred of care.

Might it be natural for us to feel pain or sorrow seeing that? Yes, but take that as a warning to ourselves as well, the fruit of oppression and torture is not kindness.

And for those saying Islam is peace, goodness, sugar and spice and all things nice and all that... yes it is, but at the same time other aspects of it must be acknowledged. If he was captured and put on trial in a real Shar'i sense, I won't say the outcome would be any 'nicer' ... that is if that real 'trial' would ever have been conducted under valid conditions or would just be swayed by other powers or influence.

I'm not by this saying what was done or how his body was treated at that time was the best way, but living in a land or area where I have never been affected by him, except in reading, I'm also not going to judge the situation.

However I will say, although a tyrant is gone, the fitnah is not... what will come next may be a greater problem. Lots of talk of puppet governments, American and international influences where there shouldn't be, another inner civil war to gain power over that...etc...

Allaah knows best, May He protect the Muslims of Libya and make ease in this upcoming situation...
 
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