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Ahmed Deedat
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
May the peace and blessing of god be upon you all
Mr. Chairman and brothering
Podly P O D L Y .. podly the American in his book “the messenger” he gives the relative strength of two of the mightiest religious forces on earth today
Those of Islam and Christianity
He doesn’t give us figures
He does not tell us that the Muslim today’s number one thousand million and the Christians one thousand two hundred million
But what he says is “that these Muslims and Christians who are competing for the aligns of mankind that they” he says ”that there are more prophesying Christians in the world than prophesying Muslims but” he says “there are more practicing Muslims in the world than practicing Christians”
If I said this on my own account plowing my own plum pert who would not have carried much weight it makes me happy to quote an outsider an American and a Christian at that
What is really the difference between Islam and Christianity
I may share with you that Islam is the only non-Christian faith which makes it an article of faith for its followers to believe in Jesus
No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus
What he is made to believe is .. that Jesus Christ was one of mightiest messengers of god
He is made to believe that he was the messiah
He is made to believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention
Which many modern day Christians do not believe today
And he is mad to believe the Muslim is mad to believe that Jesus Christ he gave life to the dead by god’s permission and he healed those born blind and the libbers by god’s permission
He gets all this from his book of authority the holly Quran
It is your privilege to get one
The MYM book stall in the corner .. there .. they are selling them for five Rands each
Two thousand pages .. an encyclopedia of two thousand pages for five Rands each
You will agree with me that’s very very cheep
An if you can’t afford it Muslims as well as non-Muslim you can write to the Islamic Propagation Center and tell us that look I am earning five hundred Rands a month but I can’t afford a Quran and get one by return post
Tell us why we should give you one for nothing
I am not talking about the cultist, the born again missionary .. look he has to pay for it as well as we have to pay for the bibles from the bible house
But I am talking about the general public .. if you are interested in knowing the Quran and if you can’t afford it write for one and get one free
Now the point of real difference what are the only .. the only points of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian is this .. are these
Number one .. the Muslim says that Jesus is not god
Number two .. the Muslim says that Jesus is not the begotten son of god because god does not beget
The Muslim says that god is not a Trion god because there is no such thing as three in one and one in three
The Muslim says that Jesus Christ was not killed nor crucified and hence he was not resurrected
There is no such thing as resurrection
These are points of real differences between Muslims and Christians
But believe me Mr. chairman .. ladies and gentle men
That this wide gulf between the Muslim and the Christian between Islam and Christianity is been rapidly bridged
The Christians are coming towards Islam
I am not talking about the cultist
I am talking about the learned men of Christianity who are described in the holly Quran in these beautiful words
I am quoting from Surah “Maeda” chapter five verse 85 it says “ولتجدن أقربهم مودة للذين آمنوا الذين قالوا إنا نصارى”
And nearest in them .. among them in faith .. in love .. and nearest among them in love to the believers to the muslims .. will thaw find those who say we are Christians
“ذلك بأن منهم قسيسين” because among them are men devoted to learning
Among the Christians say the wholly Quran are men devoted to learning
“ورهباناً” and men who renounce the world
“وأنهم لا يستكبرون” and people who are not arrogant
Abdulla Youssef Ali … the commentator of this translation which I was showing to you
In his note No. 789 on this verse comments…..
He says the meaning is not that they call them self’s Christians but they are such sincere Christians that they appreciate Muslim vetches
As did they have a seines to whom Muslim refuge is went during the persecution in Mecca
They would say it is true we are Christians but we understand your point of view
And we know you are good men
Abdulla Youssef Ali concludes that these Christians they are Muslims at heart
That these Christians they are Muslims at heart never mind whatever label they apply for them self’s
And I can give you many examples from history of this type of good learned men among the Christians
But time is short
So let me give you some brief references from recent times
Number 1
In the time magazine July 15 1974 .. there was a series of essays under the heading “who are history’s great leaders”
And among the contributors there is one James Gavin .. described as retired a.. commander of chief .. A commander in chief from the American army
This James Gavin in his list of the most .. the greatest leaders .. he says number one Muhammad “ص”
And number two he puts his own lord and savior Jesus Christ .. number two
Then .. in America again .. an American by the name Michael Eghart of the heart publishing company
Described as an astronomer and a mathematician
This man he writes a book of 572 pages .. giving the most influential men in history from the time of Adam up to current times
And in his list of one hundred most influential man.. he puts the holly prophet of Islam Muhammad number one
And .. surprisingly .. he puts his own lord and savior Jesus Christ number three
Then .. that is going a bet far .. coming back to our own country
The charming Bill Charmils.. he will be on TV tonight .. on what is called cross Christians.. who will be on TV tonight
This Bill Charmils .. at the end of a lively debate on the subject of “Islam and Christianity”.. the very subject of this afternoon’s discussion
It was in essay PC TV “Islam and Christianity”
He commented at the end of the talk.. in these charming words
“well I think it can be said from this discussion that there is at present somewhat more accommodation on the Islamic side for the founder of Christianity than there is in the Christian side for the founder of Islam .. but the significance of that is we leave it to you the viewer to determine, but I do hope you’d agree with us that it’s a good thing that we are talking together”
He said .. I think it can be said from this discussion referring to the discussion on TV.. that there is at present somewhat more accommodation on the Islamic side for the founder of Christianity than there is in the Christian side for the founder of Islam
That there are more tolerance .. there is more compassion on the Islamic side for Jesus Christ than there is on the Christian side for the founder of Islam
He said what the significance of that is .. we leave it to you the viewer to determine
But I do think you will agree with me that it is a good thing that we are talking together
Mr. chairman ladies and gentlemen
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And on that …. On this program you will see something more than .. what Bill charmels tells you
You see .. you will find on this tape .. The reason why bill charmels says .. you know.. that there is more sympathy from the Islamic that there is in the Christian side towards Islam
You will find a classical example of a sickness
You see th…. There is a current sickness prevailing among the Christians of the world
They call it a *!*!*!*! again
It is a cult that has been created recently .. where they now say that look previously with the decibels of Jesus they had the spirit with them
But now they say we have it in us
The spirit is in them .. inside .. fills them up
And I had one of this sick persons coming to my office .. wanting to share this sickness with me
I asked him now you have the spirit in you.. he said yes
I said it permeates every fiber of your being.. he said yes
So I said you can’t be tempted
If the spirit of god fills you up .. is there room for the devil to get in
He says no..
So I said you can’t be tempted.. he says no
So I said congratulations
Congratulations.. I said you know you’re gre.. greater than your own God
You are greater than your own lord and savior Jesus Christ
Because Jesus Christ was tempted by the devil .. and you can’t be tempted
Amazing .. you cant be tempted but jesus was tempted
So said no no no .. I can also be tempted
Then I said in that case you haven’t got the spirit
Its either way .. if you have the spirit then you are greater than Jesus
Because Jesus was tempted , his dispels were tempted
You are greater than them all
And if you are .. if you can be tempted then you haven’t got the spirit
Rather you have something rightly described by the holly prophet of Islam ..
He said that “شيطان” “شيطان” the spirit of evil coses through the body of man like the blood
This is why .. “شيطان” is cossing through the body of man like the blood
As the blood is throwing in your Veins.. this devilishness evil inclinations temptations are also cossing through your body
So somebody asked him .. he said what about you
And he was humble enough to admit .. he said me too but mine is under control
So .. talking about these learned Christians .. I said there are these learned Christians .. they are coming towards islam
These are learned men .. not sick people
Our biggest points of differences between the Christian and ourselves
Thing that grated the Muslim most was this expression that Jesus is the only begotten son.. begotten not made
This word begetting .. was greeting Muslims
And it is grating according the to the recitation red by our “قارئ”
He red those words .. very strong words
He said “وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا” and they say that “الرحمن” the merciful God .. he has begotten a son
“الله سبحانه وتعالى” god almighty .. he says in answer to that he said “لقد جئتم شيئا إدا” it’s one of the most abominable asserts any one can make
“تكاد السماوات يتفطرن منه” and the sky are ready to burst
“وتنشق الأرض” and the earth to split asunder
“وتخر الجبال هدا” and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin
Such a horrible swearing .. that you say that god begot a son
Because begetting is an animal act .. it belongs to the lower animal functions of sex
How can you attribute such quality to God
So .. the learned men of Christianity .. 32 scholars of the highest eminents backed by 50 cooperating denominations of the Christians
They went and produced the revised standard version of the bible
And they through this word begotten out unceremoniously
This word begotten in John 3:16 every Christian in the world knows it
The most translated sentence .. of any sentence in the world
John 3:16
Now .. look for it in the revised standard version of the bible .. its thrown out as a fabrication.. as an interpolation
I say here .. it’s about time that we shake hands with this Christian scholars
We say than.. thank you very much
Coming closer to Islam
The word that was grating us .. they threw it out
To appease us? .. no .. because they found that it was not there in the original manuscripts
This was somebody who had pushed it in
It’s not supposed to be there .. its thrown out
I have the bible here after the meeting if you like to check it up .. check it up .. the word begotten is not to be found
Another point of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian
Is this called .. thing called trinity .. the holy trinity
Where the Christian say the father is God the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God but they are not three gods but one god
You Remember the formula?.. every Christian has it on his lips
He says the father is almighty the son is almighty and the holy ghost is almighty but they are not three almighty’s but one almighty
He continues .. the father is a person the son is a person and the holy ghost is a person but they are not three persons but one person
I am asking the English man what language are you speaking?
You said person .. person .. person but not three persons but one person
What language is that .. (but) what of course that is the language of religion
Now .. the only solid basis on which this .. dogma .. could be based is to be found in the king James version .. in the roman catholic version of the bible in the first epistle of John chapter 5 verse 7
It reads .. for there are three that be record in heaven .. The father the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one
That is the clearest aclo.. approximation to the trinity in the Christian bible
Now that also .. has been unceremoniously thrown out of this book
By who? .. not by Muslim scholars.. not by Jewish scholars not by Hindu scholars but by 32 scholars Christian scholars of the highest eminent packed by 50 cooperating denominations
They threw it out as a fabrication .. its not there
So I said congratulations to you .. my Christian learned men .. I say I’d like to kiss your hand
Look they are coming to Islam
They are coming closer and closer to Islam
With regards to the crucifixion .. with regards to the resurrection
We have given you a pan flit
Jesus as only a messenger
At the back of that pan flit .. you will find a shock survey of Anglican bishops
A shock survey of Anglican bishops
These are paid servants of the Anglican Church
Men of the highest order of learning
The most respected people in Christendom among the author ox
In “our daily news” of the 25th of June .. this year
Daik lan from London .. it is said .. more than half of England’s Anglican bishops say Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God
You are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ is God
And this was a point of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian
They threw it out
They said .. if you don’t believe in that you are still an Anglican
They don’t want to lose you .. to Islam
Because that is what the real point of difference is .. we say that Jesus is not God .. the Christian say that Jesus is god
But more than half of the bishops now are telling you .. that you don’t have to believe that Jesus is God .. that means he is not God
It is not a foundation of your faith any more
So .. I take off my hat to these Anglican bishops .. as we all odd to do
We take off our hat
What was the purpose? .. what was the motive?
Which Arab .. “شيخ” bribed these bishops? .. tell me .. who bribed them?
To go away with the main .. the bed rock of Christendom is the divinity of Christ .. they say look you don’t have to believe in that any more
And further in the same article .. you read it at home
That... the poll of 31 of England’s 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ’s miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the bible
These are something more like ferry tails
These are like ferry tails … it might could have happened
This resurrection of Jesus might not have happened
And we have given you a book … free … crucifixion or CRUCI-FICTION
Absolutely free
And you read it … and you can’t help agreeing that it’s a FICTION … F I C T I O N … FICTION
Not fixion
So … these learned men of the Christendom … described in the holy Quran as learned
That they are coming towards Islam
I said congratulations … we take off our hat to you
And .. only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 out of 31 work out the percentage … at home …
They said that Jesus Christ is nothing other than “Gods’ supreme agent”
That’s all we are saying
That is what the Quran says
يا أهل الكتاب
Oh people of the book … oh learned people
لا تغلوا في دينكم
He said do not go too extreme in your religion
ولا تقولوا على الله إلا الحق
And don’t say anything about god except the truth
إنما المسيح
Most certainly the messiah
عيسى ابن مريم
Jesus the son of Merry
رسول الله
Is the messenger of Allah
Look …. This is what the Muslim is saying “is a messenger of Allah”
Now the Anglican pushups 11 out of 31 .. they say .. that he .. 19 out of 31 .. that he is only a messenger
Now this .. th.. this .. there is a message for the Muslim
That it is about time that we share Islam with our fellow country man
Look the learned man when he makes a discovery he makes it known by the masses they don’t know what’s going on
They are like sheep .. they are still kept their .. in the staple
We have to free them
Bring them over an say look … these are your learned men
They are confessing .. without any coercion .. there is no Muslim with a sword over his head
You remember the lone saying that Islam was spread at the point of the sword
I said witch sword is forcing these learned people to tell you ..
That whatever the Muslim says they are agreeing with us .. step by step .. step by step
But they are dragging their feet
It is about time that we push them .. rush them
Say look man .. this .. what is different now between us and you
Whatever you say .. the difference that existed that graded the Muslim you have taken them out
You say we don’t believe in them
So why not shake hands .. and become Muslims
In the words of the holly Quran .. I’ll end this brief talk by saying .. as we are made to say
قل
Tell them
يا أهل الكتاب
Oh people of the book .. oh learned people .. oh people with a scripture
تعالوا
Come
إلى كلمة سواء بيننا وبينكم
That we come to common terms as between us and you
Let us get onto a common platform
And that common platform .. this almighty god . he gives it to us in this holly book
He says
ألا نعبد إلا الله
That we worship none but Allah
ولا نشرك به شيئاً
And that we associate no partners with him
ولا يتخذ بعضنا بعضاً أرباباً من دون الله
And that we do not take from among ourselves lords and patrons other than Allah
فإن تولوا
But if they turn back
فقولوا اشهدوا بأنا مسلمون
Tell them .. that we at least are Muslims
We have submitted our well to the well of god
And we want you to join us in the fellowship of faith
In the brotherhood of faith
وآخر دعوانا أن الحمد لله رب العالمين