Luck haraam?

Kakorot

Junior Member
Assalaamu'alaykum.

Is it haraam to say to someone, "Please wish me luck." ?? Is it haraam to say this and does it fall into shirk because we don't believe in luck but qadr.

Jazakamullaahu khayran.
 

Yousef83

Junior Member
i think its very specific and sign of atheism.Nothing happen by itself.Wish me luck whom?
Everything happens by Allah's permissions no doubt
 

Yousef83

Junior Member
no dear sister,i can't say that really.I have no permission to manage u whether its sin or not but up to logic its atheist words.Also usually unbeliever people say these words often.
"Luck" word already enough to keep away.We don't believe luck or anything include luck.Its fate by Allah azze v celle
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I read that Muslims use fortune as a term and not luck. Luck is a form of shirk ( not my words ). I beleive I read it on this site about a week ago.

Sister...dua is a better use of energy. Secondly, What Allah has willed for us will be. And what He wills for us is good.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Saalma alikum

I didnt understant what you really said. anyways....if that is to say some one, we can just ask them to make dua...why to wish a luck?
as far as lucky charm, lucky twine, lucky person is concerned that's shirk....means: if we think like...this or that is lucky for me, it can bring be a better luck....lucky locket/chain/ pen...anything thinking that it is gonna bring me a luck...that Shirk and thats haram...

especially, people beleive in stones like rubby/cat-eye/ firoza / sapphire.....using of anything like that and beleiving that...they can bring a better luck that's shirk and Haram...

and Allah know the best.

if you can specify what you tried to say..may be Inshaa'ALlah I'll be able to help you.
Jazakum Allahu Khair
wassalam
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
As salaamu 'alaykkum

Luck is like a superstituous thing, and people seem to put their tawakkul on luck as it can widely be seen during exams time or so. It was narrated by Abu Dawood (3910), and al-Tirmidhi (1614) who classed it as saheeh, from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) in a marfoo’ report: “Tiyarah (superstition) is shirk, tiyarah is shirk,” but there is no one among us (who does not feel such things) but Allaah takes it away by means of tawakkul (putting one's trust in Him).

The words “but there is no one among us (who does not feel such things) but Allaah takes it away by means of tawakkul (putting one's trust in Him)” are the words of Ibn Mas’ood, not of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

But anyways you can read through the following fatwa, perhaps it explains things better..

Regarding some sounds when leaving as being bad luck
If some one calls you from the back or when you are going out suppose you got little hit, say, by a door. I heard, if you don;t sit for a second to pass a moment, which could bring you bad luck/accident, you would face the bad luck/accident. Are these true? Can you use the Quran and the hadiths about these?.

Praise be to Allaah.

What you have heard is not correct, rather that is a kind of tatayyur (superstitious belief in bird or other omens) or regarding seeing and hearing certain things as being bad luck. This is the way of the ignorant and the mushrikeen, who used to let such things keep them from doing what they wanted. Allaah criticized them for that and said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, their evil omens are with Allaah but most of them know not”

[al-A’raaf 7:131]

“They (Messengers) said: Your evil omens be with you! (Do you call it evil omen) because you are admonished? Nay, but you are a people Musrifoon (transgressing all bounds by committing all kinds of great sins, and by disobeying Allaah)”

[Yaa-Seen 36:19]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade superstitious belief in omens and said that it is a kind of shirk (associating others with Allaah) that detracts from Tawheed, because superstition is something that the Shaytaan uses to create fear. It is mentioned in several ahaadeeth that it is forbidden, such as the following:

The hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no ‘adwaa [transmission of infectious disease without the permission of Allaah], no tiyarah [superstitious belief in bird omens].” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5757; Muslim, 102.

It was narrated by Abu Dawood (3910), and al-Tirmidhi (1614) who classed it as saheeh, from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) in a marfoo’ report: “Tiyarah is shirk, tiyarah is shirk,” but there is no one among us (who does not feel such things) but Allaah takes it away by means of tawakkul (putting one's trust in Him).

The words “but there is no one among us (who does not feel such things) but Allaah takes it away by means of tawakkul (putting one's trust in Him)” are the words of Ibn Mas’ood, not of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

What this means that there is no one among us who does not some superstitious feelings in his heart, but Allaah takes them away from his heart by means of trust in Him and delegating one’s affairs to Him.

It was also narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no ‘adwaa [transmission of infectious disease without the permission of Allaah] and no tiyarah [superstitious belief in bird omens], but I like fa’l.” They said, “What is fa’l?” He said, “A good word.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5756; Muslim, 2220.

These ahaadeeth clearly indicate that tiyarah (superstition) is haraam and is a kind of shirk, because it means that the heart is attached to something other than Allaah. The people of the Jaahiliyyah believed that it could bring them some benefit or ward off some harm if they did whatever was dictated by their superstitions, and it was as if they were associating others with Allaah. So the Lawgiver cancelled that and demonstrated it to be false when He told them that it has no effect on bringing benefits or warding off harm.

Once this is established, if any such thing happens to you, then you have to fear Allaah and put your trust in Him, and seek His help and never pay any attention to it. You should handle the matter by doing what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined, as narrated by Abu Dawood (3919) with a saheeh isnaad from ‘Urwah ibn ‘Aamir (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: Mention of tiyarah was made in the presence of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he said: “The best of it is fa’l (optimism, belief in good omens) and it should not prevent a Muslim from going ahead (with his plans). If any one of you sees something that he dislikes, let him say. ‘Allaahumma laa ya’ti bi’l-hasanaat illa anta wa laa yadfa’ al-sayi’aat illa anta, wa laa hawla wa laa quwwata illa bika (O Allaah, no one brings good things but You and no one wards off bad things but You, and there is no power and no strength except with You).’”

Imam Ahmad narrated in his Musnad (2/220), and al-Albaani classed as saheeh in al-Saheehah (1065) the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him): “Whoever lets tiyarah (superstition) stop him from doing something is guilty of shirk.” They said, “What is the kafaarah (expiation) for that?” He said, “To say: Allaahumma la khayra illaa khayruka wa laa tayra illaa tayruka wa laa ilaaha ghayruka (O Allaah, there is no good except Your good, no birds except Yours, and there is no god beside You).”

It should also be noted that tiyarah will not harm the one who ignores it and goes ahead and does what he wants to do. But as for the one who does not sincerely put his trust in Allaah and who gives in to the Shaytaan and his waswaas (whispers), he will be punished by falling into the thing that he dislikes, because he has turned away from faith in Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allaah, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself.”

[al-Nisa’ 4:79]
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
Saalma alikum

I didnt understant what you really said. anyways....if that is to say some one, we can just ask them to make dua...why to wish a luck?
as far as lucky charm, lucky twine, lucky person is concerned that's shirk....means: if we think like...this or that is lucky for me, it can bring be a better luck....lucky locket/chain/ pen...anything thinking that it is gonna bring me a luck...that Shirk and thats haram...

especially, people beleive in stones like rubby/cat-eye/ firoza / sapphire.....using of anything like that and beleiving that...they can bring a better luck that's shirk and Haram...

and Allah know the best.

if you can specify what you tried to say..may be Inshaa'ALlah I'll be able to help you.
Jazakum Allahu Khair
wassalam

Good points.

@ bold: My mother in law believes in that...She thinks stones bring certain things. She has them all over her home, including in the corner of each room and above each doorway :astag:
 

sliver

Junior Member
what if you did this but you did not know it was haraam. Does that mean you have sin? Because sadly I have been using the term "Luck" a lot.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Not to worry. We all do things in ignorance and once it is pointed out we have the choice to make change.
 

samiha

---------
Staff member
:salam2:

I remember a time when I used to say, "Good luck with that" a lot... but then wanting to change it, it became "Have fun with that" ... lol, now I've realized I use it too often, and sometimes it doesn't quite fit anymore. It's interesting how we add certain 'connotations' to the word luck which we really shouldnt.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Salam alaikum

there is another problem, which is so common and ppl takes it easily, even I have seen many muslims believeing in this: horoscope. its also Shirk. coz ppl might take a look on then in fun, but they get corrupt with it....and they become follower of the one astrologer...even in my country, heres publish books like: monthly instructions for different horoscope and ppl beleive in that and do whatever the books says...eg: what to eat, what to avoid, one can harm, travel will be safe....

astaghfir Allah, these are all Shirk.....please if you have ppl like this around you make them aware...coz commtting Shirk in ignorance also is not a matter of forgiven by ALlah subhanahu wa ta'la

and Allah knows the best
Jazakum Allahu Khair
wassalamu alaikum
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
saalam alaikum

indeed it's shirk and therefore a major sin.
May Allah azza wa jal save us from every kind of major and minor sins.

Jazakum Allahu Khai
wassalamu alaikum
 

abu'muhammad

Junior Member
Assalaamu alaykum,

Its customary sometimes with people to say “best of luck” during occasions like interviews,exams,travel etc. the usage is ironical as no one first of all know what’s onwards then further telling best for that which is not known ! does it make any sense.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Salam Alaikum

Islam has its own way, Islam is the way of life an covering all the aspects...alhamdu li Allah, that's why islam is the only true religion.

It is better to say "Jazakum Allahu Khair"....i'd say it is best to say.....if we have something best, why we go and look for the alternatives? Jaza means the the will and Jazakum Allahu measn by the will of Allah subhanahu wa ta'la, khair means good, so the whole the whole thing is: may everything goes good by the will of Allah subhanahu wa ta'la.....the wishing will also has done and indeed in the best way...we should practise these and hold these things, and Allah subhanahu wa ta'la knows the best

Jazakum Allahu Khair
wassalamu alaikum warahmatu-llah
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
:wasalam:

So it's shirk, and therefore a sin.

Strong statement to say it is shirk. Rather it depends on the person's intention. To be honest it could even be shirk akbar, or shirk asgar, or haraam. It really depends on the person's intention. At the end of day, it is befitting for a believer to place his trust upon Allaah, for if Allaah witholds a certain thing, then none can get hold of it, and if Allaah gives a certain thing to someone, then none can withhold it.
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
Isn't Allah Who decides who will be lucky or not?How can we call the people of the 3rd world who have nothing to eat:aren't they unluckier than us?humanly talking,I may suppose that it would be Haram gambling for luck and wasting money to know about the luck in life or job and so on.This term exists in grammar and we should pay attention to how we use it.using objects as luck bringer is Shirk,but by myself telling good luck to someone may be a good way to make du'a because Allah created everything,Luck too.isn't it?:hijabi:
 
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