Question about two hadith

Rebaz

Junior Member
:salam2:
Bukhari 8:387
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

How should the beginning of this hadith be interpreted? As fighting in a war?

And the second hadith is this

“The best Jihad is the word of Justice in front of the oppressive Sultan.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, ibn Majah)

In what volume/Verse of Dawud can I find this hadith? I've search everywhere but can't find. Tell me the exact number of it please.

:wasalam:
 

ahmed_indian

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:wasalam:

1. when Islam is brought to a land, people are given 2 choices: accept Islam or pay jizyah. if they do none, then they are fought to bring Islamic rule.

2. Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 2040
 

Hasan al Amriki

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:salam2:

Also brother Rebaz, this Hadith could be reffering to the Mushrikeen of the Arabian Peninsula (excluding the Jews and Christians), because the Mushrikeen of the Arabian Peninsula use to make Hajj to al-Kabah and they also were descendants from Ismail (AS) children/relatives.

So this hadith meant that the Mushrikeen of the Arabian Peninsula HAD to adopt the religion of Islam (which is the religion of Ibrahim AS).

And as for the Jews, Christians, Romans, and Persians, they either had to accept Islam or accept to live under the Shariah and pay Jizyah (and by paying the Jizyah, the Amir al Mumineen would have to ensure security for them from getting invaded or attacked).
 

Hasan al Amriki

New Member
And some non Muslims have a misconception about the Jizya tax. Some of them have the misconception that the Jizya tax (which is ONLY upon the non Muslims) is unfair and prejudice (that only the non Muslims have to pay the Jizya to the Amir al Mumineen and not the Muslims). The reality is that Jizya is used to refer to the tax that the non Muslims have to pay, and Zakat reffers to the tax that the MUSLIMS have to pay (to the Amir al Mumineen).

And Allah (SWT) knows best.
 

Aroosak

Junior Member
And some non Muslims have a misconception about the Jizya tax. Some of them have the misconception that the Jizya tax (which is ONLY upon the non Muslims) is unfair and prejudice (that only the non Muslims have to pay the Jizya to the Amir al Mumineen and not the Muslims). The reality is that Jizya is used to refer to the tax that the non Muslims have to pay, and Zakat reffers to the tax that the MUSLIMS have to pay (to the Amir al Mumineen).

And Allah (SWT) knows best.

JazakhAllah kheir Brother

You are totally right and true that many people see this as an oppression by muslims toward non-muslims and as a basis to claim that Islam was spread by the sword. This was done to create a sense of equality and justice. While the tax paid by non-muslims was paid for their own protection.
Indeed Islam is fair and Allah loves Fairness
 

Rebaz

Junior Member
:wasalam:

1. when Islam is brought to a land, people are given 2 choices: accept Islam or pay jizyah. if they do none, then they are fought to bring Islamic rule.

2. Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 2040


Brother the hadith 2040 in sunan of Abu-Dawoud is something els, already looked it up.
 

thariq2005

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:salam2:
Anyone that can post the hadith Bukhari 8:387 in arabic please?

:wasalam:

Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ، فَإِذَا قَالُوهَا وَصَلَّوْا صَلَاتَنَا وَاسْتَقْبَلُوا قِبْلَتَنَا وَذَبَحُوا ذَبِيحَتَنَا، فَقَدْ حَرُمَتْ عَلَيْنَا دِمَاؤُهُمْ وَأَمْوَالُهُمْ إِلَّا بِحَقِّهَا وَحِسَابُهُمْ عَلَى اللَّهِ


:wasalam:

1. when Islam is brought to a land, people are given 2 choices: accept Islam or pay jizyah. if they do none, then they are fought to bring Islamic rule.

That is not what the hadeeth is talking about. Below is the explanation of a similar hadeeth from Al-Bukhaari- explained by Ibn Hajar (from his Fath al-Baari)

Ibn Hajar commented regarding the hadeeth of Ibn `Umar that the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم is the Messenger of Allah, and establish the prayer, and pay the zakat. If they do that, their lives and property are protected from me except for the right of Islam, and their reckoning is up to Allah.”

He (Ibn Hajar) said regarding the statement of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: :“to fight the people until they testify”

Objection: This necessitates that once the testimony of faith occurs, the prayer is established, and the zakat is given, the person’s blood is secure (i.e. his life) even if he rejects the remaining orders.

Answer: Bearing witness to the message includes believing in all that was revealed with it, and this can be understood from the wording, “except for the right of Islam” which includes the religion in its totality.

-So If it is asked why didn’t he صلى الله عليه و سلم suffice with the mention of belief, and instead continued to add the establishment of the prayer and the zakat.

The answer is that their addition signifies their importance as they are the source of all acts of worship both physical and material.

Regarding his :saw2: saying, “and establish the prayer”

Establishing the prayer entails remaining steadfast upon it while fulfilling all of its conditions. The prayer referred to is the obligatory prayer and not the prayer in general, it therefore doesn’t include the prostration preformed during (certain parts of) the recitation of the Quran even though it may be referred to as “salat”. Imam An-Nawawi said, as a result of this hadith, “Whoever leaves the prayer deserves the corporal punishment.” He did, however point out the difference of opinion which exists with the various schools of thought. Al-Kirmani, when asked about the one who abandons the zakat, stated that they (the prayer and zakat) carry the same ruling because they share the same purpose.” It appears that he meant that they carry the same ruling in terms of fighting against them (i.e. the ones who abandon them), and not in regards to the corporal punishment. However, there is a difference between the two (i.e. salat and zakat) in the fact that the zakat can be taken using force from a person who attempts to abstain from paying it, as opposed to the salat (in which force is not used to establish it). The proof (for this opinion) is in the actions of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq, who fought those who refused to pay the zakat (after the death of the prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), but it was not narrated that he killed any of them under the corporal penalty. Hence, using this narration as proof to carry out corporal punishment on the one who leaves the prayer is debatable due to the fact that the statement “to fight” differs than “to kill”. And Allah knows best

Ibn Daqeeq Al-Eid opposed the view of using corporal punishment on the one who abandons the prayer in his explanation of Al-‘Umdah. He said, “The permissibility of using force against them doesn’t necessitate the permissibility of killing them (by way of corporal punishment), because combat comprises of struggle and fighting from both sides, unlike the outright killing (of a person).

Al-Baihaqe reported that Al-Shaf’e said, “Combat (القتال) is not the same as killing (القتل) by any means, and the permissibility to fight may apply at times without the permissibility of killing a person.”
 

Rebaz

Junior Member
Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ، فَإِذَا قَالُوهَا وَصَلَّوْا صَلَاتَنَا وَاسْتَقْبَلُوا قِبْلَتَنَا وَذَبَحُوا ذَبِيحَتَنَا، فَقَدْ حَرُمَتْ عَلَيْنَا دِمَاؤُهُمْ وَأَمْوَالُهُمْ إِلَّا بِحَقِّهَا وَحِسَابُهُمْ عَلَى اللَّهِ




That is not what the hadeeth is talking about. Below is the explanation of a similar hadeeth from Al-Bukhaari- explained by Ibn Hajar (from his Fath al-Baari)

Ibn Hajar commented regarding the hadeeth of Ibn `Umar that the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم is the Messenger of Allah, and establish the prayer, and pay the zakat. If they do that, their lives and property are protected from me except for the right of Islam, and their reckoning is up to Allah.”

He (Ibn Hajar) said regarding the statement of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: :“to fight the people until they testify”

Objection: This necessitates that once the testimony of faith occurs, the prayer is established, and the zakat is given, the person’s blood is secure (i.e. his life) even if he rejects the remaining orders.

Answer: Bearing witness to the message includes believing in all that was revealed with it, and this can be understood from the wording, “except for the right of Islam” which includes the religion in its totality.

-So If it is asked why didn’t he صلى الله عليه و سلم suffice with the mention of belief, and instead continued to add the establishment of the prayer and the zakat.

The answer is that their addition signifies their importance as they are the source of all acts of worship both physical and material.

Regarding his :saw2: saying, “and establish the prayer”

Establishing the prayer entails remaining steadfast upon it while fulfilling all of its conditions. The prayer referred to is the obligatory prayer and not the prayer in general, it therefore doesn’t include the prostration preformed during (certain parts of) the recitation of the Quran even though it may be referred to as “salat”. Imam An-Nawawi said, as a result of this hadith, “Whoever leaves the prayer deserves the corporal punishment.” He did, however point out the difference of opinion which exists with the various schools of thought. Al-Kirmani, when asked about the one who abandons the zakat, stated that they (the prayer and zakat) carry the same ruling because they share the same purpose.” It appears that he meant that they carry the same ruling in terms of fighting against them (i.e. the ones who abandon them), and not in regards to the corporal punishment. However, there is a difference between the two (i.e. salat and zakat) in the fact that the zakat can be taken using force from a person who attempts to abstain from paying it, as opposed to the salat (in which force is not used to establish it). The proof (for this opinion) is in the actions of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq, who fought those who refused to pay the zakat (after the death of the prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), but it was not narrated that he killed any of them under the corporal penalty. Hence, using this narration as proof to carry out corporal punishment on the one who leaves the prayer is debatable due to the fact that the statement “to fight” differs than “to kill”. And Allah knows best

Ibn Daqeeq Al-Eid opposed the view of using corporal punishment on the one who abandons the prayer in his explanation of Al-‘Umdah. He said, “The permissibility of using force against them doesn’t necessitate the permissibility of killing them (by way of corporal punishment), because combat comprises of struggle and fighting from both sides, unlike the outright killing (of a person).

Al-Baihaqe reported that Al-Shaf’e said, “Combat (القتال) is not the same as killing (القتل) by any means, and the permissibility to fight may apply at times without the permissibility of killing a person.”


Thank you for that.
 

Perseveranze

Junior Member
Because of Zakat (And other encouragments) Islam gives more to Charity then any other religion/organization in the world each year.

So don't know where non-Muslims are getting the Tax discimination idea from.
 
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