Satanic Verses

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Townie

Townie

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It is a long time since Salman Rushdie published his book of this title and I am interested to know what you think of it now.
Has anyone read it, and if so what did you think of it?
Do you think that anyone should be condemned to death for writing a book?
What is your view of the verses themselves? Were they really whispered into Muhammed's ear by Satan?
I am sincerely interested in the subject and I hope that bringing it up will not offend anyone.
 
Hard Rock Moslem

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Firstly thank you for asking this question. I believe you asked in good intention.

There are many verses in the Qur'an which condemning the satan.. will satan ever whispered to Prophet Muhammad to condemn it self? Hilarious isn't it? Will you ask someone write a book to condemn your self? Show me one book written by one smart Alex with following statement in the beginning:

"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt" [Al-Baqarah, 2:2]

Qur'an guarantees there is no doubt which means there is no errors or contradicting statements.. this can only be acheived if it is really from Allah (God) not satan.

Qur'an definitely not from the from satan, what Salman Rushdie wrote is really from satanic whispers... he is recalcitran and a moron, he can write many book which can contribute to human brain, but he chose to write something which will offend muslims. I can also write many lies about christianity but I will not because it will place me same level with idiotic Salman.
 
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kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
Hard Rock Moslem said:
Firstly thank you for asking this question. I believe you asked in good intention.

There are many verses in the Qur'an which condemning the satan.. will satan ever whispered to Prophet Muhammad to condemn it self? Hilarious isn't it? Will you ask someone write a book to condemn your self? Show me one book written by one smart Alex with following statement in the beginning:

"This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt" [Al-Baqarah, 2:2]

Qur'an guarantees there is no doubt which means there is no errors or contradicting statements.. this can only be acheived if it is really from Allah (God) not satan.

Qur'an definitely not from the from satan, what Salman Rushdie wrote is really from satanic whispers... he is recalcitran and a moron, he can write many book which can contribute to human brain, but he chose to write something which will offend muslims. I can also write many lies about christianity but I will not because it will place me same level with idiotic Salman.
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asalaam aleykum wa Rahmatu Llah.

it is morning down here;
so good morning brother;
and thank you for BEST EVER reply.:allahuakbar:
 
Townie

Townie

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Thank you for your replies.
The account of this incident is very different here; there does seem to be a disagreement about whether it really happened.
http://answering-islam.org/Green/satanic.htm
I am still interested to learn whether anyone on this forum ever read the book, and whether you think that anyone should be condemned to death for exercising the freedom to write or to speak.
 
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kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
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Originally Posted by Hard Rock Moslem

Firstly thank you for asking this question. I believe you asked in good intention.
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i did, (i bought that while i was at Canada Ottawa;) and there was another one;
to what i found similar to the above brothers' reply.
By the way you insisted of being read by any here.
Then if this will be fair of course...why not read Kuran Kareem then you might be able to
figure out Rishdoies'

come here

http://www.englishtafsir.com/
and
here

http://www.tafheem.net/tafheem.html
and for sure to Turn to Islam.
 
Hard Rock Moslem

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Townie, have you ever studied the Qur'an? I suggest you read Qur'an first and tell us whether is it possible the verses are from satan. Salman Rushdie is involved in few sex scandals, how can you give credibility to a man who has no moral ground to write anything good?
 
Townie

Townie

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Hard Rock Moslem said:
Townie, have you ever studied the Qur'an? I suggest you read Qur'an first and tell us whether is it possible the verses are from satan. Salman Rushdie is involved in few sex scandals, how can you give credibility to a man who has no moral ground to write anything good?
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I don't think that the quality of a man's writing is dependent on his morals or his actions. Salman Rushdie is a very respected writer, "Rushdie was appointed Commandeur dans Ordre des Arts et des Lettres of France in January 1999. In June 2007, Queen Elizabeth II dubbed him Knight Bachelor for his services to literature. In 2008, The Times ranked him thirteenth on its list of the fifty greatest British writers since 1945." (from his wikipedia entry). I have read several of his books, I don't consider Satanic Verses to be among his best.

I have read the Qur'an, but only in translation I'm afraid. I do not think that Satan had anything to do with the verses, but I am also not sure that this incident didn't happen.

Do you think that it is acceptable for a writer to be condemned to death for something he has written?
 
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wantobeMumin

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^^ what is respectable? isnt it all relative? On the day of judgement Allah will not ask you about your awards, prizes, books or the titles.

There is a proper islamic jurisdiction what is applied in cases such as Salman Rushde. it does not matter what we think about his writings. he created fitna and he was a muslim therefore islamic law should apply to correct that and only Islamic scholars with proper authority should judge that.

also, every read Doctor Faustus by Marlow? knowledge of wrong kind can never benefit you.

May Allah guide us all and help us increase our Iman!
 
Townie

Townie

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wantobeMumin said:
^^ what is respectable? isnt it all relative? On the day of judgement Allah will not ask you about your awards, prizes, books or the titles.

There is a proper islamic jurisdiction what is applied in cases such as Salman Rushde. it does not matter what we think about his writings. he created fitna and he was a muslim therefore islamic law should apply to correct that and only Islamic scholars with proper authority should judge that.

also, every read Doctor Faustus by Marlow? knowledge of wrong kind can never benefit you.

May Allah guide us all and help us increase our Iman!
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I have read Dr Faustus, but I don't base my life on it.
Leaving aside the specific example of Salman Rushdie, do you believe that writing a book can be a reason to be condemned to death?
 
Itqan Ullah

Itqan Ullah

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1. I hope you are clear with site rules. (if you haven't read them, you can find it in the 'help using website' section)

2. We don't need to be taught islamic sciences by apologetic christians (specially sham shamoun who is an ouright liar). If you don't trust the information we give you, you are free to do your own research from scratch and see what is the truth, however if you are relying on anti-islam sites for gaining knowledge about islam, thats not being open minded at all imo.

3. Saying 'there seems some difference in opinion weather report is correct or not' is as ignorant as saying "there seems some difference in opinion among scientist if light has a particle nature or wave nature or dual nature". That is because classic mufassireen (scholas of tafseer of quran) used to use both authentic and inauthentic reports, sometimes a report without mentioning the proof also. The scholars did that because they wanted to collect all available reports at that time into volumnious collections so that other scholars shouldn't waste collecting them and they can spend time verifying them and using them. So if a particular classical scholar has documented a report in his collection does not necessary mean he believed its authentic. Also hafidh ibn Kathir pointed out in his tafseer of surah hajj, ayah 52 that this report is mursal (mursal means when successor of prophet (pbuh) is missing from chain of narrators), such a narration is generally considered as weak according to sciences of hadeeth and he too did not consider it authentic. So if some scholar thought it to be authentic because they were lenient towards mursal narration or due to error jarh wa tadeel (sciences of crediblity of narrators) such difference is invalid and cannot be taken into account.

And Allah (swt) knows the best.
 
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MeGladder

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@ Townie,

Are you a Muslim?

And have you ever read Satanic verses (both the Salman Rushdi one and the tale from al-Tabari)?
 
Townie

Townie

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I am interested in Islam but I am not a Muslim. Neither am I a Christian.
I have read both versions of the Satanic Verses.
I have no intention of teaching Islamic Science to anyone; is there such a thing?
I understand that this is a sensitive subject so I am happy to end it here.
Thank you for your replies.
 
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MeGladder

Junior Member
Townie said:
I am interested in Islam but I am not a Muslim. Neither am I a Christian.
I have read both versions of the Satanic Verses.
I have no intention of teaching Islamic Science to anyone; is there such a thing?
I understand that this is a sensitive subject so I am happy to end it here.
Thank you for your replies.
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If you are not Muslim, why does your profile show that Islam is you religion?

And Islamic Science means systematized Islamic knowledge in general.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science
 
Abd_Al_Hadi

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
Townie,

There are people out there writing that the Talmud teaches hate, violence and pedophilia. If I was a Jew-hating idiot, I'd love to go around and rub it in Jews' faces. But I'm not an idiot. First of all, whether its true or not, that is not my concern. I have a life and a career and neither are effected by it. Second, if I'm really bored and I want to learn about Judaism, I would take classes being taught by Rabbis, and I'd visit synagogues to gain knowledge. After ensuring I've gained my proper education on Judaism, then yeah, I can go ahead and log into turn to judaism dot com and start having sophisticated conversations with Jewish members and I'd impress them with my knowledge.

Now lets say I'm a special ed student that takes the cheese bus to school. I'll probably want to google things like "naughty things in the Torah." Of course, there will be anti-Jewish websites that takes verses out of context and I'll be dumb enough to believe it. So I log in to turn to judaism dot com and giggle while I post what I just learned from some random blog. What I don't see, however, is that I'm actually showing the world what a ignorant moron I am.


Yeah, I may get a kick out of it for the first couple of days. But later on, I'd look back and see what a joke I was.



Don't be a joke, "Townie." Get your facts straight, then come back. At least have some dignity and self-respect.
 
Hajjerr

Hajjerr

He is Dhul-Jalali Wal-Ikram
Townie said:
No idea, I didn't put that in my profile, but I will check to make sure it is correct.
Do you mean Islamic Science in the so called 'Islamic Golden Age'? Religion and science are mutually exclusive aren't they?
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Salam aleikum

This is the beauty of Quran, you find in it the same answers science gives, this is why i reverted to islam, alhamdullilah.
Ofcourse you have to read it with open mind and with explanations where is needed. A book that teaches us humility, peace, justice, good character and good manners can not come from Sheitan, i can not belive someone with sane mind would say this....

It was not until I had learnt Arabic and read the Qur'an in the original that I realized the precise meaning of certain verses. Only then did I make certain discoveries that were astounding. With my basic ideas on the Qur'an - which to begin with were inaccurate, just as those of most people in the West - I certainly did not expect to find in the text the statements that I in fact uncovered. With each new discovery, I was beset with doubt lest I might be mistaken in my translation or perhaps have provided an interpretation rather than a true rendering of the Arabic text.

Only after consultations with several specialists in linguistics and exegesis, both Muslim and non-Muslim, was I convinced that a new concept might be formed from such a study: the compatibility between the statements in the Qur'an and firmly established data of modern science with regard to subjects on which nobody at the time of Muhammad - not even the Prophet himself - could have had access to the knowledge we possess today. Since then, I have not found in the Qur'an any support given to the myths or superstitions present at the time the text was communicated to man. This is not the case for the Bible, whose authors expressed themselves in the language of their period.

* a concept of the creation of the world which, while different from the ideas contained in the Bible, is fully in keeping with today's general theories on the formations of the universe;

* statements that are in perfect agreement with today's ideas concerning the movements and evolution of the heavenly bodies;

* a prediction of the conquest of space;

* notions concerning the water cycle in nature and the earth's relief, which were not proven correct until many centuries later.
Taken from: "The Origin of Man", by Dr. Maurice Bucaille.
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MeGladder

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Townie said:
No idea, I didn't put that in my profile, but I will check to make sure it is correct.
Do you mean Islamic Science in the so called 'Islamic Golden Age'? Religion and science are mutually exclusive aren't they?
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Are you serious? The very registration page gives the option to choose your religion from. And you have chosen Islam from that page. Or else, your profile would not show Islam as your religion. Looks like you tried to deceive us.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/register.php
 
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