There's nothing wrong with cousins getting married, scientists say!

*Sana*

.~.Slave of Allah.~.
Assalamualaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakaatu,

Some interesting findings! If any one had something against marrying their cousins, after reading this you can reconsider the issue :p. Lol I'm only kidding :)

There's nothing wrong with cousins getting married, scientists say

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

Wednesday, 24 December 2008

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...y-1210072.html

Risk of babies having genetic defects 'has been overstated'

The risk of giving birth to babies with genetic defects as a result of
marriages between first cousins is no greater than that run by women over 40
who become pregnant, according to two scientists who call for the taboo on
first-cousin families to be lifted.

Women in their forties are not made to feel guilty about having babies and
the same should apply to cousins who want to marry, said Professor Diane
Paul of the University of Massachusetts in Boston and Professor Hamish
Spencer of the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand. Although
first-cousin marriages are legal in Britain, there have been calls to ban
the practice because of reports that it has resulted in a
higher-than- average incidence of birth defects in certain immigrant
communities where it is common and culturally acceptable.

However, Professors Paul and Spencer said that the risk of congenital
defects is about 2 per cent higher than average for babies born to
first-cousin marriages - with the infant mortality about 4.4 per cent higher
- which is on a par with the risk to babies born to women over 40. "Women
over the age of 40 have a similar risk of having children with birth defects
and no one is suggesting they should be prevented from reproducing, " said
Professor Spencer, whose co-authored study is published in the online
journal Public Library of Science.

First-cousin marriages were once quite common in Europe, especially among
the elite - Charles Darwin married his first cousin Emma Wedgwood - but that
changed in the late 19th-century as people, especially women, became more
socially mobile and the risks became more evident. The stigma attached to
first-cousin marriages was supported by early studies into human genetics
suggesting that "recessive" versions of a gene (which are not expressed
unless there are two of them, one from each parent) are more likely to be
expressed in the children of genetically related parents, as well as more
likely to be defective.

Most states in America have either outlawed or restricted the practice, as
has China, Taiwan and both North and South Korea. Professor Spencer, an
evolutionary zoologist, said these laws should be repealed, especially in
America, where he said they were drafted in a way that discriminated against
the rural poor and immigrants: "Neither the scientific nor social
assumptions behind such legislation stand up to close scrutiny. Such
legislation reflects outmoded prejudices about immigrants and the rural poor
and relies on over-simplified views of heredity. There is no scientific
grounding for it."

In the UK, the issue came to the fore when the MP Phil Woolas, now the
Immigration minister, claimed earlier this year that first-cousin marriages
within Asian communities in Britain resulted in an increasing number of
children with health problems. "A lot of arranged marriages are with first
cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability
[in children]," Mr Woolas said.

Peter Corry of St Luke's Hospital in Bradford estimates that among people of
Pakistani descent in the city, 55 per cent of whom marry first cousins, the
risk of recessive genetic disorders - the type due to related parents - is
between 10 and 15 times higher than in the general population. A 2004 study
found that 13 out of 1,000 Asian children born in the Bradford area had
inherited recessive disorders, which can lead to disabilities.

A family affair: Cousins who tied the knot

Jerry Lee Lewis

The rock 'n 'roll star infamously married his 13-year-old first cousin once
removed, 10 years his junior, in 1957. His popularity initially fell but
recovered when he began performing country and western music.

Jesse James

The Missouri outlaw married his first cousin Zerelda "Zee" Mimms in 1874 at
the height of the James-Younger gang's reign. They had two children and
remained together until Jesse's death, aged 34, 12 years later.

H G Wells

The science fiction author of The Time Machine and The War of the Worlds
married his first cousin Isabel Mary Wells in 1891 but left her after three
years to marry one of his students, with whom he had two children.

Edgar Allan Poe

The American gothic poet secretly married his 13-year-old first cousin,
Virginia Eliza Clemm, in 1834. She died of tuberculosis in 1847.

Johann Sebastian Bach

In 1707 Bach married his second cousin Maria Barbara Bach and had seven of
his 20 children with her.

Khalid Mahmood

The Birmingham MP married his first cousin, Rifat, when he was in his
twenties. They had a child - now a teenager - but separated in 1992.

Charles Darwin

The naturalist, whose work forms the basis for contemporary evolutionary
theory, married his first cousin Emma Wedgwood in 1839. They had 10
children, to whom he was a devoted father.

Wasalaam :)
 

Searching_soul

Junior Member
:salam2:

I just don't get it. Whatever the white man finds/discovers it is almost taken as right. And whatever that we have known for centuries are wrong till the white man finds it out and tells it to the whole world. This mentality of ours should stop. why do we have to always get the approval of these western scientists all the time. If our prophet (peace be upon him) allowed it , or said its ok, then there should be no Question to it. Whatever he said came from ALLAH directly. And ALLAH is the creator. im not a racist or against white people. I have many caucasian friends. But i really really don't like this mentality. We are stooping so low. We should defend our ideas even if THEY havn't found out the Truth.

This is Ridiculous. Im sure many of you may not agree with me. But im getting sick of this. And no wonder they take advantage of us. Although the ages of colonization is over, it hasn't gone from our little minds. They have nicely done their work, for us to suffer the consequences for ages.

:wasalam:
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
:salam2:

I am sorry...but the whole cousin marriage (it doesn't matter if they are first or 100th) thing is *still* not my thing...

Sobhanallah...I feel that my cousins are like my brothers...and the one time one of them showed interest and asked his mom (my aunt) to propose to me...creeped me out so bad that now I send him salams through my aunt or his sisters for the sake of kinship..I don't even like to talk to him anymore...it's just the weirdest thing to *me*!

I am sorry...I mean no disrespect to *anyone* out there who thinks otherwise..*I want to be clear on this*...

But you know...every person has a "zone of comfort" which they like to keep its *borders* very clear and determined!

:wasalam:
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Salaam,

We need to remember just because something is permissible does not mean it is encouraged. Marrying cousins is permissible but that does not mean that one should only marry within the family. As the previous sister mentioned...sometimes it's a psychological thing not to want to marry a cousin.

I have a male cousin with whom I am very close to, he is like my brother to me. But the thought of marrying makes me feel ill, it would be like asking me to marry one of my brothers. I don't have a problem with families that practiced cosanguinous marriages but I do take issue if they will only allow that form of marriage.

I think some families focus too much on "bloodlines" or nationality and thus fracturing our ummah even more. As I am engaged to someone from another ethinicity we know that we will deal with a lot of bigotry and racism from within our very ummah, and this is pathetic. Rasool married women from many different tribes and nations, should we not practice this sunnah?

Wasalaam
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

The bottom line is simple: we must obey that which Allah subhana talla has approved for us. End of subject. Now can we concentrate on how to help the suffering brothers and sisters in GAza, please!
 

al-muslimah

Junior Member
:salam2:

I just don't get it. Whatever the white man finds/discovers it is almost taken as right. And whatever that we have known for centuries are wrong till the white man finds it out and tells it to the whole world. This mentality of ours should stop. why do we have to always get the approval of these western scientists all the time. If our prophet (peace be upon him) allowed it , or said its ok, then there should be no Question to it. Whatever he said came from ALLAH directly. And ALLAH is the creator. im not a racist or against white people. I have many caucasian friends. But i really really don't like this mentality. We are stooping so low. We should defend our ideas even if THEY havn't found out the Truth.

This is Ridiculous. Im sure many of you may not agree with me. But im getting sick of this. And no wonder they take advantage of us. Although the ages of colonization is over, it hasn't gone from our little minds. They have nicely done their work, for us to suffer the consequences for ages.

:wasalam:


Baraka allahu feek..youve said it..subhanallah we just have to stick to what our rasoul and deen told us without any seince evidence..actually we dont need it..!!
salam
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

It is tied into the whole evolution theme. I can get political, too. It comes from social Darwinism. Supposedly, near blood relatives can pass along genes that are prominent and show up as mental retardation. All of the European royality are intermarried. Now we know why the world is so screwed up!

However, there is a lot of unkowns about genotypes and phenotypes. There are questions in acadameia about this very thing. What was known and understood about DNA is now being questioned.

But we live in world that would rather have sperm donation and egg extraction to create the perfect child. If the fetus is not correct you abort.

On a very serious level..it is part of the great plan of the new world order. Break the family and you have oppression.
 

*Sana*

.~.Slave of Allah.~.
Assalamualaikum,

I think the thread should be closed since it has created so much confusion and distress. That was not my intention. Just trying to show that Muslims find out more than 1400 years ago but it is not considered but when it is researched and 'proven' by the West then it is ok.

Yes I totally agree with you MirajMom. It does come from social Darwinism. But Darwin's theory wasn't even his in the first place. And whatever he had taken from the letter his friend sent to him about his own opinion he put under his name. But the evolution theory has come to a deciet now. Anyhow, that is a total different story that I don't want to start in this thread since I have already created so much confusion.

But yeah I guess we can close the thread. Only created so much distress and nothing else. Sincere apologies.

Wasalaam :)
 

Rashadi

Junior Member
:salam2:

I just don't get it. Whatever the white man finds/discovers it is almost taken as right. And whatever that we have known for centuries are wrong till the white man finds it out and tells it to the whole world. This mentality of ours should stop. why do we have to always get the approval of these western scientists all the time. If our prophet (peace be upon him) allowed it , or said its ok, then there should be no Question to it. Whatever he said came from ALLAH directly. And ALLAH is the creator. im not a racist or against white people. I have many caucasian friends. But i really really don't like this mentality. We are stooping so low. We should defend our ideas even if THEY havn't found out the Truth.

This is Ridiculous. Im sure many of you may not agree with me. But im getting sick of this. And no wonder they take advantage of us. Although the ages of colonization is over, it hasn't gone from our little minds. They have nicely done their work, for us to suffer the consequences for ages.

:wasalam:

Exactly right. Whenever the White man, no offense to any of my caucasian brothers and sisters, confirms something, everyone jumps up and down out of joy. The same people that say that marrying at age of puberty is disgusting are the ones allowing gay marriages, adultery, fornication and many other disgusting things. One does not have to marry a cousin and I wouldn't either but it is not a crime to do so just as marry at the age of puberty is not a sin. Them kind of people make me sick for real.
 

Searching_soul

Junior Member
:salam2:

Im sure in later years......these Western so called "Scientists" will come up with a finding saying its very Healthy for an old man to marry a VERY YOUNG GIRL. And muslims who felt soooooo ashamed to speak abt our prophet (peace be upon him) married to ayesha (RA) will be jumping in joy and distributing articles about this incidence along with scientists evidence... (im not attacking u sister sana, im just telling the truth of our mentalities these days. im also included in this. plz forgive me. )

Be proud that ur a muslim. And defend ur Prophet. He did whatever ALLAH ordered him to do. And ALLAH knows whats good and whats not good for mankind. Lets take examples from our Righteous pious predecessors. Im sure many of you know about Salman Al-farsi (RA).

When a mushrik came to him and laughed and mocked at him saying "i heard ur prophet even teaches u how to defecate and how to wash urself after defecating". He replied "Indeed, our prophet told us everything regarding this matter, and he told us to wash with water after defecating, and if water is not available, he told us to use atleast 3 stones". The mushrik went away humbled by the answer. Look at the answer of this noble companion. He dint get intimidated by the mushrik. He felt Proud to be a muslim. Islam Elevated all the Sahabas. Nowadays we tend to live in shame because we are muslims. We will never gain victory by doing this.

:wasalam:
 
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