Why does the Angel fight Jacob

[lostlilly07]

Salaam alaikum bros and sisters

I am rereading stories of the prophets...can be found on angelfire.com. anyway...I am stump about the reason behind the fight that Jacob(peace be upon him) had with the Angel. Which afterwards explain why Jews don't eat the thigh meat..something like that. So my Question again, what is the reason for the fight between Jacob(peace be upon him) and the Angel

Barakallahum feekum

 

[ShyHijabi]

Salaam,

Is this a story of Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) from the Jewish Torah or the Quran? (according to the site)

~Sarah

 

[Mohsin]

:salam2:

These stories are taken from the work of Ibn Kathir (RA). I personally think that in few places Ibn Kathir (RA) has relied upon the Bible as a source.

 

[lostlilly07]

Salaam,

Is this a story of Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) from the Jewish Torah or the Quran? (according to the site)

~Sarah

well it does really say if it comes from the Quran or Torah but I just google "stories of prophet islam" and the first one I went too. I plan to look at other sites but I am familiar with Ibn Kathir's work and trust him. I am often afraid of being led astray by someone's work or reading bidah. So to answer your question I am not sure what source he is using.

 

[ShyHijabi]

Salaam,

Well I am more familiar with the Torah than the Quran presently. :shymuslima1: But according to the Torah, Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) was about to be attacked and killed by a warring tribe. Allah swt sent an angel down to prevent him from entering the area where he would be hurt/killed. Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) did not know he was dealing with an angel trying to block his path and therefore tried to overcome the angel physically in a struggle.

The angel wrestled with him all night to prevent Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) from being hurt. Finally the angel became frustrated and dislocated Prophet Jacob's hip to keep him in one place. According to the Torah. Jacob's name then became Israel, which means "to struggle with God."

I am not sure if the Quran teaches this as I am still reading my way through but I thought maybe you would be interested in that story from the Torah.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

 

[gazkour]

Assalamo alikom warhamato Allah wa barakato

I personally never heard or read anything about Jacob fighting with an angel in the Coran.
Probably you are refering to Genesis 32:28 in the Bible, where Jacob had a fight with 'God' through an angel, an guess who won? Jacob!! That's is actually one of the many contradiccions in the Bible : how can 'God' loose a fight with a man?

Allah knows best.

Assalamo alikom wa rahamato Allah wa barakato

 

[lostlilly07]

Salaam,

Well I am more familiar with the Torah than the Quran presently. :shymuslima1: But according to the Torah, Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) was about to be attacked and killed by a warring tribe. Allah swt sent an angel down to prevent him from entering the area where he would be hurt/killed. Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) did not know he was dealing with an angel trying to block his path and therefore tried to overcome the angel physically in a struggle.

The angel wrestled with him all night to prevent Prophet Jacob (peace be upon him) from being hurt. Finally the angel became frustrated and dislocated Prophet Jacob's hip to keep him in one place. According to the Torah. Jacob's name then became Israel, which means "to struggle with God."

I am not sure if the Quran teaches this as I am still reading my way through but I thought maybe you would be interested in that story from the Torah.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

Wa alaikum salaam

well that sound like it make sense. Do you know a good website to read the Torah...I just tried googling it. But the websites seem a little confusing. Which section has the story of Prophet Jacob( peace be upon him)

 

[lostlilly07]

I personally never heard or read anything about Jacob fighting with an angel in the Coran.
Probably you are refering to Genesis 32:28 in the Bible, where Jacob had a fight with 'God' through an angel, an guess who won? Jacob!! That's is actually one of the many contradiccions in the Bible : how can 'God' loose a fight with a man?

Allah knows best.

Assalamo alikom wa rahamato Allah wa barakato

[HTML]When the dawn of the second day came one of the angels appeared in the shape of a man. Jacob began to wrestle with him. They were neck and neck until the angel injured his thigh and Jacob became lame. When the day was breaking, the angel said to him: 'What is your name?' He answered: 'Jacob.' The angel said: "After today you shall not be called anything but Israel." Jacob asked: "Who are you? What is your name?" He vanished. Then Jacob knew that he was one of the angels. Jacob was lame, and for this reason the children of Israel do not eat the thigh muscle on the hip socket.[/HTML]


I copy and paste the part of story that confuse me. like I said I got it from Angel fire but insha'allah I am going to find another story on Prophet Jacob(peace be upon him)

 

[a_brother]

:salam2:

stories of the prophets by ibn Kathir
http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Stories Of The Prophets By Ibn Kathir.pdf

from the above link/ebook

"When the dawn of the second day came one of the angels appeared in the shape of a man. Jacob
began to wrestle with him. They were neck and neck until the angel injured his thigh and Jacob
became lame. When the day was breaking, the angel said to him: 'What is your name?' He
answered: 'Jacob.' The angel said: "After today you shall not be called anything but Israel." Jacob
asked: "Who are you? What is your name?" He vanished. Then Jacob knew that he was one of the
angels. Jacob was lame, and for this reason the children of Israel do not eat the thigh muscle on
the hip socket."

 

[hqudrat]

:salam2:

jazakallah khyran brother for sharing this website with us. May Allah swt continue to increase us in knowlege ameen



:tti_sister:

 

[gazkour]

Assalamo alikom wa rahmato Allah wa barakato.

[HTML]When the dawn of the second day came one of the angels appeared in the shape of a man. Jacob began to wrestle with him. They were neck and neck until the angel injured his thigh and Jacob became lame. When the day was breaking, the angel said to him: 'What is your name?' He answered: 'Jacob.' The angel said: "After today you shall not be called anything but Israel." Jacob asked: "Who are you? What is your name?" He vanished. Then Jacob knew that he was one of the angels. Jacob was lame, and for this reason the children of Israel do not eat the thigh muscle on the hip socket.[/HTML]


I copy and paste the part of story that confuse me. like I said I got it from Angel fire but insha'allah I am going to find another story on Prophet Jacob(peace be upon him)

I think this is in the Torah, as Sister ShyHijaby mentioned.

 

[xSharingan01x]

salamu alaykum sister .

this not from the Holy Kuran at all , this story came from the Tanakh of Jews .
i don't know where Ibn Katir and many others look for the informations about the prophets peace be upon them all.
if the story is not mentioned in the Holy kuran and the authentic hadiths of the prophet Mohamad salla Allahu alayhi wa salam then it's not trustful at all , and those peopel who writ this stories receive not revelations , then how they can know about this stories ?
may Allah subhanahu guid all of us.

:salam2:

As some of you already mentioned the story comes from the Torah and not from the Quran or the authentic Hadeeth. It was style of some of our early scholars to add details from Torah (Ibn Abbas, At-Tabari) and as far as I know Ibn Kathir limits the uses of stories from "israelite".
Even when there were detailed story about Prophets from Authentic Hadeeth and Quran, if in some cases the story from Jewish sources did not contradict they used the Jewish sources as supplimentary materials.
they used int he sense "this is what the Jews say about so and so".

So this is as much as I know, and I'm subject to errors . Perhaps some one can shed a little more light to the subject?

I think the later scholars abandoned this practice, rightly so.
Keep in mind we don't use such stories as evidence for any ruling or laws.