Can Munafiqs implement shariah?

[ShahnazZ]

I have a question about applying the rules of Shariah in today's world. Of course Islam is perennial and is not limited to one time but I observed something that made me wonder about who we are as Muslims to implement certain punishments to others.

The example here is of stoning the adulterer. Now in Islam, the adulterer (man or woman) must be stoned to death. However, I watched a scene where it was MUNAFIQS doing the stoning. These people portrayed themselves as extremely religious and said they were doing so only for Allah but behind closed doors they were committing the very WORST of sins. Now as the Prophet SAW stated that the adulterer must be stoned, I know that HE is most likely the ONE person in this world who is sinless and had the right to stone the adulterer. But if WE as flawed Muslims, who commit countless sins on a day-to-day basis, take this as our right as well, then who are we to do so when we ourselves can be the worst of sinners?

Basically, what I want to know is that if it's okay for us to still carry out the laws of Shariah even though many of us are sinners and have no right to judge another. And for those who are clearly Munafiqs but still believe they're not doing anything wrong, is this also permissable?

Wallahu Alim. :tti_sister:

 

[Boomerang]

Assalamu Alaikom,

I am still new to all of this. But I am sure I have read in the Qur'an that the adulterer that is a female, should be kept in a house till death, or until Allah makes some other exit for her.
Why does Shariah law contradict this? I didnt think it was ok for us to kill others. God is the Judge. And He is All Knowing.

I still have so much to learn about this religion :shymuslima1:

No disrespect intended.

 

[amjaddamen]

I have a question about applying the rules of Shariah in today's world. Of course Islam is perennial and is not limited to one time but I observed something that made me wonder about who we are as Muslims to implement certain punishments to others.

The example here is of stoning the adulterer. Now in Islam, the adulterer (man or woman) must be stoned to death. However, I watched a scene where it was MUNAFIQS doing the stoning. These people portrayed themselves as extremely religious and said they were doing so only for Allah but behind closed doors they were committing the very WORST of sins. Now as the Prophet SAW stated that the adulterer must be stoned, I know that HE is most likely the ONE person in this world who is sinless and had the right to stone the adulterer. But if WE as flawed Muslims, who commit countless sins on a day-to-day basis, take this as our right as well, then who are we to do so when we ourselves can be the worst of sinners?

Basically, what I want to know is that if it's okay for us to still carry out the laws of Shariah even though many of us are sinners and have no right to judge another. And for those who are clearly Munafiqs but still believe they're not doing anything wrong, is this also permissable?

Wallahu Alim. :tti_sister:

dear sister
first of all not all adulterers must be stoned to death, those who are married and commited adultery must be stoned , unmarried should be , let me say ,whiped 80 ones .

seconed : up to my knowledge , only and only the muslim governer should permit this to take place after ( afair court ) . but you know there is no muslim governer came to rule by the name of allah nowadays.

there is much to talk about this , may be in near future (inshallah )

 

[ShahnazZ]

Assalamu Alaikom,

I am still new to all of this. But I am sure I have read in the Qur'an that the adulterer that is a female, should be kept in a house till death, or until Allah makes some other exit for her.
Why does Shariah law contradict this? I didnt think it was ok for us to kill others. God is the Judge. And He is All Knowing.

I still have so much to learn about this religion :shymuslima1:

No disrespect intended.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

Adultery in Islam is one of the most heinous and deadliest of sins. Its enormity can be gauged from the fact that it has often been conjoined in the Qur’an with the gravest of all sins: shirk or associating partners with Allah.

The enormity of this sin is no small measure due to its dire consequences affecting individuals, families, and societies. Among these are that it entails infidelity and erodes the trust and tranquility that are the foundations of a fulfilling family life; it dissipates one’s energies; it undermines peace at home; it corrodes the purity of one’s soul and hence destroys one’s faith; finally, it exposes the person to the wrath of Allah, thus resulting in eternal damnation.

It is no wonder then that Allah and His Messenger have sounded dire warnings against adultery in so many ways. To list only a few instances:

Allah says in the Qur’an, (And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way) (Al-Isra’ 17: 32).

Regarding killing people:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) further said: “[Under Islamic laws in an Islamic state] It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except for one of three sins: a married person committing fornication, and in just retribution for premeditated murder, and [for sin of treason involving] a person renouncing Islam, and thus leaving the community [to join the enemy camp in order to wage war against the faithful].” (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa’i)

Regarding punishment for adultery:

As for the punishment specified in the Shari`ah for the married adulterer or adulteress, it is stoning to death. In the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence, we read the following:

Ibn Qudamah wrote: “Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact stoning to death is a specified punishment for married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars...”

 

[ShahnazZ]

dear sister
first of all not all adulterers must be stoned to death, those who are married and commited adultery must be stoned , unmarried should be , let me say ,whiped 80 ones .

How can an adulterer be unmarried? An adulterer is a MARRIED person who has sexual relations with someone other than their spouse. An unmarried person who simply has sexual relations with someone out of wedlock is a FORNICATOR.

 

[ShahnazZ]

Curious question, were you watching the Kite Runner?

Lol yeah. I didn't want to name it specifically because personally I believe there was alot of false propaganda in that movie but that IS what raised the issue for me.

 

[amjaddamen]

Assalamu Alaikom,

I am still new to all of this. But I am sure I have read in the Qur'an that the adulterer that is a female, should be kept in a house till death, or until Allah makes some other exit for her.

dear sister :
this ruling in islam is (over written ) , no more valied
you know , islam rulings took (23) years sending down from allah to messenger, so ther were rulings established in the first years than allah (GOD) omitted them later .
you'll have to know them better (inshallah )
one more thing to say in short :shoul adulters give them selves in to authorities nowaday while there is no muslim ruler ? or should they first place go to punishment or repent secretly ?
i may find well wrriten stuff and sent it here (insahallah)

 

[amjaddamen]

How can an adulterer be unmarried? An adulterer is a MARRIED person who has sexual relations with someone other than their spouse. An unmarried person who simply has sexual relations with someone out of wedlock is a FORNICATOR.

ok sister :may be it is right definitions , excuse my shallow expressions

 

[Abel213]

Lol yeah. I didn't want to name it specifically because personally I believe there was alot of false propaganda in that movie but that IS what raised the issue for me.

YOu're right about the propaganda, most of the movie was based around mocking Islam.

It was especially mocking of us Pashtun people who had bled the most to save Afghanistan from the atheist communism. Many of the Tajiks and Hazara conspired with the Soviets to destroy us, but guess what? Afghanistan still stands today and the Soviet Union is gone. I think the world needs to start appreciating the Pashtun people instead of making movies like that.

My grandfather is the head of an Afghan charity organisation for war victims and I posted one of his videos on youtube to show the plight of our veterans you can see it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Jz3lEvx4

 

[ShahnazZ]

YOu're right about the propaganda, most of the movie was based around mocking Islam.

It was especially mocking of us Pashtun people who had bled the most to save Afghanistan from the atheist communism. Many of the Tajiks and Hazara conspired with the Soviets to destroy us, but guess what? Afghanistan still stands today and the Soviet Union is gone. I think the world needs to start appreciating the Pashtun people instead of making movies like that.

My grandfather is the head of an Afghan charity organisation for war victims and I posted one of his videos on youtube to show the plight of our veterans you can see it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Jz3lEvx4

OMG I KNOW! I HATE how it made Pashtuns look! And unfortunately this further fueled the stereotypes most people have about us anyway.