Jesus's Mother

[moonnah]

I have seen some catholics debate this issue:

Was the mother of Jesus Sinless? I dont think anyone on early is/was sinless but for some reason they think/debate she was.

Another thing they say was that she remained a virgin all her life. I find this idea far fetched as she was married to a man. And possibly had more children.

What do you think?

 

[ShahnazZ]

I have no idea if this is some kind of joke or not, but you're wrong in both cases.

From what I know about her according to Islamic teachings, Hadrat Mariam WAS sinless (in fact, there has been much debate among Muslim scholars as to whether or not she should be considered a Prophet; however, most aren't sure about that) and she NEVER married or had any more children after Hadrat Isa a.s.

 

[moonnah]

I have no idea if this is some kind of joke or not, but you're wrong in both cases.

From what I know about her according to Islamic teachings, Hadrat Mariam WAS sinless (in fact, there has been much debate among Muslim scholars as to whether or not she should be considered a Prophet; however, most aren't sure about that) and she NEVER married or had any more children after Hadrat Isa a.s.

Why would this be a joke?

They have debated/talked about this on catholicanswers.
Not sure if its a actual "catholic belief" but for some reason its usually brought up.
You said "I" am wrong so they are right in their thinking and "I" am wrong?
I thought she was married to "Joseph"?

 

[Salem9022]

moonah this is what we believe Regarding Jesus and Mary.

Listen to the Qur'an the speech of Allah.
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[ShahnazZ]

Why would this be a joke?

They have debated/talked about this on catholicanswers.
Not sure if its a actual "catholic belief" but for some reason its usually brought up.
You said "I" am wrong so they are right in their thinking and "I" am wrong?
I thought she was married to "Joseph"?

That's precisely why it's a joke.

I assumed that every Muslim knew that Hadrat Mariam was never married to anyone. Anyone who maintains the belief that she was is wrong. It is Christians that believe she was married to a man named Joseph and they also have some other messed up beliefs about Jesus and his "possible relations" (na'audubillah). So if you're not Muslim, it would make sense as to why you wouldn't know this but I guess I assumed you were.

 

[q8penpals]

That's precisely why it's a joke.

I assumed that every Muslim knew that Hadrat Mariam was never married to anyone. Anyone who maintains the belief that she was is wrong. It is Christians that believe she was married to a man named Joseph and they also have some other messed up beliefs about Jesus and his "possible relations" (na'audubillah). So if you're not Muslim, it would make sense as to why you wouldn't know this but I guess I assumed you were.

Salam

With all due respect, your answer was a bit condescending. There are a large number of converts on TTI and to just ASSUME that everyone is at the same level of knowledge, and then to disrespect their former beliefs.

Honestly, I have never given it a thought that Mary wasn't married. It never came up to me since being a Muslim (for 4 years). I have always just assumed she was married, and possibly had children later. I don't know what difference it would have made, being that she WAS a virgin when Jesus was born - that didn't ever mean to me that she was a virgin her whole life. And honestly, I never thought about it much before this post. I am now informed.

The next time you think every (convert) Muslim should know something, at least point it out in a constructive, respectful manner, instead of calling their thoughts a "joke" and "messed up".

Humbly,

Lana

 

[moonnah]

I have no idea if this is some kind of joke or not, but you're wrong in both cases.

From what I know about her according to Islamic teachings, Hadrat Mariam WAS sinless (in fact, there has been much debate among Muslim scholars as to whether or not she should be considered a Prophet; however, most aren't sure about that) and she NEVER married or had any more children after Hadrat Isa a.s.

I find that VERY hard to swallow!
And it is not mentioned in the Quran so where are getting your info from?

 

[mymohsin]

Salamalaykum,

Moonnah what we belive and what is mention in our holy Quran about the birth of our Prophet Jesus and his mother Mariam, one of our brother "Salem9022" pasted a nice video can pls have a look at it and u will be very clear after watching it what we belive and then think insha Allah.

May Allah have his mercy and guide us to the truth. Ameen.

 

[moonnah]

With all due respect, I HAVE read that part in the quran and dont need the music, pretty pictures, and "special effects" to prove a point from anyone.
What was that supposed to prove that the quran would not?

Salamalaykum,

Moonnah what we belive and what is mention in our holy Quran about the birth of our Prophet Jesus and his mother Mariam, one of our brother "Salem9022" pasted a nice video can pls have a look at it and u will be very clear after watching it what we belive and then think insha Allah.

May Allah have his mercy and guide us to the truth. Ameen.

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

Simmer down, Moonnah... we are just trying to help you here. To the best of my knowledge, we believe the same as Catholics that Mary remained a virgin and died a virgin and she never married after Jesus' birth... There is no mention of Joseph in Qur'an, she went through her toil and labour with the guidance of Allah.

 

[mymohsin]

With all due respect, I HAVE read that part in the quran and dont need the music, pretty pictures, and "special effects" to prove a point from anyone.
What was that supposed to prove that the quran would not?

Hello my Friend,

I m very much glad that u have read Holy Quran and I hope u will continue reading it with open mind then insha Allah u urself will get clear all the doubts and misconseptions about Islam.

I totally agree with u that there is nothing which can have more effect then Holy Quran itself as it is a miracle of Allah to Prophet Mohammed (PUBH), but sister as u can see the intension of that video, they dont want to spread music or pretty pictures or any thing else, its sole intension is to explain the meaning of the verses in Quran.

Hope u will not compare one person act and say some thing about Islam. As u r doing pls read Holy Quran and ask for Allah's guidance then u c insha Allah truth will be coming to u.

May Allah guide us to the truth. Ameen.

 

[samiha]

:salam2: my brothers and sisters in Islaam,

Moonah, listen I hope you can get one thing a bit clarified insha'Allah ok? I probably wont be around to say it often, so I'll just ask this of you now. Before you rush to type a reply to me, pause ok? Just pause and think for a moment. What is it really you wish to get out of this forum?

Do you believe it's like any other forum? What's the point of you cross-examining one forum with another, and trying to see which can attack/refute which? We do not wish for TTI to become such a place you see. We wish that we will grow together in knowledge, but not for that we have to sacrifice our time and efforts replying to one who will just reply comparing us to "this forum said this" or "that forum was like this".... we do not need to know really. When you joined TTI, and you became a member, you joined our community, and thus we ask you act like it! Most of us want to help you, but only if you can help yourself first.

Ask yourself what you are really seeking by all these forums you visit? A good time? A chance to suck in to what all religions say and then find out which one suits your personal desires best? Is that what religion is? Is that what faith is? Or is it to allow yourself to open the keys inside you and look for the truth wherever it may be, and once you dedicate yourself to searching for it, you ask but dont reproach. You question but dont retaliate. Take the time to soak things in before you press the ever familiar "Reply" button.

That's all I have to say. Call it cheesy or what not, but I really think sometimes we all get so wrapped up into ourselves, we dont stop to actualize our actions. And at times this can be the most vital aspect of our humanity.

I have seen some catholics debate this issue:

Was the mother of Jesus Sinless? I dont think anyone on early is/was sinless but for some reason they think/debate she was.

Another thing they say was that she remained a virgin all her life. I find this idea far fetched as she was married to a man. And possibly had more children.

What do you think?

You have seen catholics debate on this issue, thus do you wish the Muslim take or do you wish for us to debate as well? Please, I dont say these to offend, but to get you to ask yourself as well what you seek out of all this. Because if you reply in the manner rejecting what I say, then what was the purpose of asking. Islaam will never be about what "I think" but what is and was and always will be, regardless. If I wanted the sky to be purple for me, I dont think it'd oblige.

As such, Maryam alayhis salaam was one of the best women of the world. I greatly admire her so much subhan'Allah. If anyone else lowers her one inch below her mark, I think it's disgraceful and a sham to oneself.

We believe in the Qur'aan Allah has said (translated):

"And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)." (Al-'Imran 3:42-43)

And in the Sayings of the Prophet

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.643, Narrated Abu Musa Al Ashari

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."


She was the most amazing of women, devoted in the worship of Allah, chaste, god-fearing, obedient, trusting in Allah in every situation. She was born of a good family, in which her mother sought protection from the devil not to touch Maryam alayhas salaam, and dedicated her in the way of Allah.

The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:35-37

35. (Remember) when the wife of 'Imrân said: "O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing."

36. Then when she delivered her [child Maryam (Mary)], she said: "O my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and Allâh knew better what she delivered, - "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allâh) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast."

And still, we believe she was human. So as such if she had faults, then perhaps she had them as any human does, but this does not lower her rank any degree, as we ourselves cannot comparatively put our mistakes of any rank like that. Allah knows best in these affairs, and I have no purpose of questioning about the sinfulness of another, before I look to my own.

In Islaam, we positively believe that Maryam was a virgin, and she was never married at all. From when she was young, as shown above she was dedicated to the worship of Allah, and thus she never married. And also we believe that her birth of Isa alayhis salaam was in a virgin state, as stated in the Qur'aan:

"And Mary, the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Spirit [i.e. Gabriel], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is Jesus *! son of Mary; as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah)." (At-Tahrim : 12)

Among other sources....

With all due respect, I HAVE read that part in the quran and dont need the music, pretty pictures, and "special effects" to prove a point from anyone.
What was that supposed to prove that the quran would not?

How can one give due respect then contradict our beliefs and degrade them?? This is not respect, this is lack of understanding. The Qur'aan, you must understand is not "music" "pretty pictures" and "special effects" ... Subhan'Allah... we believe they are the words of Allah, we recite them to educate ourselves, to get guidance, to remember Him and what He says to us. The Qur'aan is our guide book, and its reciatition is so beautiful, that it should strike a person no matter what religion, and if it seems just as Music to you, know that in 1400 years, this is one thing nobody has been able to imitate. It's not created, and it's not for you or anyone else to put down of they come with "due respect" and that's me being forthright with you as I cannot stand by and let it pass without.

Know also, you have not read the Qur'aan unless it is in Arabic. Know that whatever you read was a translation liable to mistakes. Know that what you called "music" is the real Qur'aan in its unchanged form, and that as a questioner, this is not the right attitude.

The last question posed - the video IS the Qur'aan.

I'm sorry for any offence I have caused by my words, I do not intend harm, but I dislike to see confusion in people when I cant see what they are trying to drive at. Regardless, May Allah guide you and all of us as well

 

[mahdi]

With all due respect, I HAVE read that part in the quran and dont need the music, pretty pictures, and "special effects" to prove a point from anyone.
What was that supposed to prove that the quran would not?

Hi moonah, I don't really understand why you ask questions, when you don't really want to hear the answers. the video was just showing you that Mary was a virgin, the person who posted it ,didn't know if you read the verse or not. so i think you should appreciate that someone give you his time to answer your question.

I think you have never listen the Quran in Arabic, otherwise you wouldn't say it's music. what you mostly read in English it just the translation, they can have errors and mistakes. but what was in the video is the real Quran.

I hope you come here with an open heart, and someone who wants to learn not debate.

 

[palestine]

i'm sorry but i have seen many other posts from moonnnah, and honestly when you tell her about the islamic beliefs she makes them into more arguements saying "i don't think or i don't believe, where did u get this info and so on"? we are muslims. you asked we answer, we didn't write of our opinions, we wrote from our teachings. islamic teachings. we do not care what catholics said or did. we answer you according to islamic teachings not according to catholic teachings. peace.

 

[moonnah]

moonnah, you are being offensive and rude in many ways. so please start acting like an adult while here, and not lke a mindless child. these questions you ask do not seem sincere. do not ask these questions if you cannot take the answers and do not want to hear them. because you are wastin our time and your time. if you want to learn, then listen and learn, otherwise just end your questions. if u want to post questions. ask them SINCERELY and wE will willingly answer. but otherwise hit the road and say goodbye. peace.

I have not been rude in any way. If that is how you read my posts then it is a communication problem. As often happing on the internet.
I have only come to this forum to find out details about the Islamic belief.
I did not want to convert to any religion with out knowing some details about it. How could that be wrong? I dont want to go into anything blindly or have illogical things hidden from me as has happened to me in the catholic faith as a chilld and adult. But I guess only God knows my intentions. And I will no longer post.
I do think a few Muslims here have and still are rude to me; a possible convert.

ETA: IF I have come across rude I apologize as that was/is not my intentions. My intention was to get information . If you think I "insulted" Islam I did not and that was not any intention on my part. If questioning is insulting then maybe I should not be part of any religion.

 

[Al-Salam]

sister monnah if anyone has been rude to you than im apologizing for that, but to be honoust u were not that friendly either. u have misunderstood a lot in islam, and if u only read the quran sister from the begining with an open mind insha allah u understand the beauty of islam. i dont know what to tell u than, if u r ment to be a muslim than u will, if not than well i just hope u know that u denied the religion of truth.

salam.
manal.

 

[mymohsin]

I have not been rude in any way. If that is how you read my posts then it is a communication problem. As often happing on the internet.
I have only come to this forum to find out details about the Islamic belief.
I did not want to convert to any religion with out knowing some details about it. How could that be wrong? I dont want to go into anything blindly or have illogical things hidden from me as has happened to me in the catholic faith as a chilld and adult. But I guess only God knows my intentions. And I will no longer post.
I do think a few Muslims here have and still are rude to me; a possible convert.

ETA: IF I have come across rude I apologize as that was/is not my intentions. My intention was to get information . If you think I "insulted" Islam I did not and that was not any intention on my part. If questioning is insulting then maybe I should not be part of any religion.

Salamalaykum,

Masha Allah very glad to know ur intentions. Questioning or making Query or seeking knowledge about any thing is not at all wrong my friend, but the way can be wrong thats y u might have notice many Brothers/Sisters have objected only on ur way/style of asking and my friend they all have given there time and efforts to answer u and clear ur doubts. Its really nice that u have shown ur intention and apologize to Brothers/Sisters for ur style/way of asking question, at the same time if u feel annoyed by some replies I apologize on behalf of my Brothers/Sisters.

Feel free to ask anything about Islam with the intention to learn and open mind Insha Allah here brothers/sisters will answer it to there best in the light of Quran and Sunnah insha Allah. And pls be rem we muslim love our Prophet (pubh) and Quran beyond our lifes, so pls ask ur question in a humble way. Give respect and insha Allah u will getback beyond ur expectation from here.

I have tried to explain what i thought with my lil understanding rest Allah knows the best.

May Allah guide us the truth.Ameen.

 

[Albint_Almuslima]

Asalam Alakum,

Although the stories of Mary in the Quran and in the Bible have many aspects in common, the view that Mary was betrothed or married is totally rejected by Islam.


Mary, the Mother of Jesus (part 2 of 2): The Birth of Jesus


Description: This article describes what happened to Mary after she came under the care of the Prophet Zachariah. It tells how the angel Gabriel announced the birth of a special child, how she coped with the bearing her baby, and relates some of the miracles that took place around the time Jesus was born.

By Aisha Stacey (© 2008 IslamReligion.com) - Published on 28 Apr 2008 - Last

Esteemed and loved by all Muslims and known as a pious and devout woman, Mary, the mother of Jesus was chosen above all other women. Islam rejects the Christian notion that Jesus is part of a trinity that is God, and denies emphatically that either Jesus or his mother, Mary, are worthy of worship. The Quran categorically states that there is no god but God.

“Such is God, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things. So worship Him ...” (Quran 6:102)

Muslims are required, however, to believe in and love all of the Prophets, including Prophet Jesus, who holds a special place in the Islamic creed. His mother, Mary, holds a place of honour. As a young woman, Mary went into the House of Prayer in Jerusalem, her entire life dedicated to the worship and service of God.

Mary Hears the News of Jesus

While she was in seclusion from everybody, a man appeared before Mary. God said:

“She screened herself from them; We sent to her Our Spirit, and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.” (Quran 19:17)

Mary was afraid and tried to flee. She appealed to God saying:

“Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (God) from you, if you do fear God.” The angel said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord to you, announcing the gift of a righteous son.” (Quran 19:18-19)

Mary was amazed and puzzled by these words. She was not married, rather a virgin who kept chaste. She asked incredulously:

“‘O my Lord! How will I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said, “So (it will be): for God creates what He wills; when He has decreed something, He says to it only ‘Be’ – and it is.” (Quran 3:47)

God created Adam from the dust of the earth, without either mother or father. He created Eve from Adam's rib; and Jesus, He created without a father, but with a mother, the pious Virgin Mary. God, who has only to say ‘Be’ to a thing in order to bring it into existence,, blew the spirit of Jesus into Mary via the Angel Gabriel.

“And We breathed into it[1] through Our Spirit, and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord ...” (Quran 66:12)

Although the stories of Mary in the Quran and in the Bible have many aspects in common, the view that Mary was betrothed or married is totally rejected by Islam. Time passed, and Mary became afraid of what the people around her would say. She wondered how they could possibly believe that no man had touched her. The majority of scholars in Islam agree that the duration of Mary’s pregnancy was normal.[2] Then, as the time came for her to give birth, Mary decided to leave Jerusalem, and travelled towards the city of Bethlehem. Even though Mary must have recalled the words of God, for her faith was strong and unwavering, this young woman was anxious and uneasy. But the angel Gabriel reassured her:

“O Mary, Verily God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and will be one of those who are near to God.” (Quran 3:45)
Jesus is Born

The pains of childbirth drove her to clutch at the trunk of a date-palm tree and she cried out in anguish:

“Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!” (Quran 19:23)

Mary delivered her child right there, at the foot of the date tree. She was exhausted after the birth, and filled with distress and fear, but nevertheless she heard a voice calling out to her. .

“Grieve not! Your Lord has provided you a stream of clear water under you; and shake the trunk of palm tree towards you; it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon you. So eat and drink and be glad...” (Quran 19:24)

God provided Mary with water, as a stream suddenly appeared beneath the place she was sitting. He also provided her with food; all she had to do was shake the trunk of the date tree. Mary was scared and frightened; she felt so weak, having just given birth, so how could she possibly shake the immense trunk of a date tree? But God continued to provide Mary with sustenance.

The next event was indeed another miracle, and as human beings we learn a great lesson from this. Mary didn’t need to shake the date tree, which would have been impossible; she only had to make an effort. As she attempted to follow God’s command, fresh ripe dates fell from the tree and God said to Mary: “…eat, drink and be glad.” (Quran 19:26)

Mary now had to take her new born child and go back to face her family. Of course she was afraid, and God knew this well. Thus He directed her not to speak. It would not have been possible for Mary to explain how she had suddenly become the mother of a new born child. Since she was unmarried, her people would not believe her explanations. God said:

“And if you see any human being, say: ‘Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Gracious (God) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.’” (Quran 19:26)

Mary came to her people carrying the child, and they immediately began accusing her; they exclaimed “What have you done? You are from a good family, and your parents were pious.”

As God had directed her, Mary did not speak, she merely pointed to the baby in her arms. Then Jesus, son of Mary, spoke. As a newborn baby, Jesus, the Prophet of God performed his first miracle. By the permission of God he said:

“Verily! I am a slave of God. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; and He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me prayer, and alms, as long as I live, and to be dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!” (Quran 19:30-34)

Mary is referred to in the Quran (5:75) as a siddqa (truthful one) but the Arabic word siddiqa implies more then just speaking the truth. It means that one has achieved a very high level of righteousness.
It means that one is truthful, not only with themselves and those around them, but also with God. Mary was a woman who fulfilled her covenant with God, Whom she worshiped with full submission. She was pious, chaste, and devout; the woman chosen above all other women to be the mother of Jesus was Mary, the daughter of Imran.



salam,

 

[ShahnazZ]

Salam

With all due respect, your answer was a bit condescending. There are a large number of converts on TTI and to just ASSUME that everyone is at the same level of knowledge, and then to disrespect their former beliefs.

Honestly, I have never given it a thought that Mary wasn't married. It never came up to me since being a Muslim (for 4 years). I have always just assumed she was married, and possibly had children later. I don't know what difference it would have made, being that she WAS a virgin when Jesus was born - that didn't ever mean to me that she was a virgin her whole life. And honestly, I never thought about it much before this post. I am now informed.

The next time you think every (convert) Muslim should know something, at least point it out in a constructive, respectful manner, instead of calling their thoughts a "joke" and "messed up".

Humbly,

Lana

First of all, get your information right before making a stand. What I referred to as "messed up" and as a "joke" was the BELIEF that Mary married and had children after Isa a.s. In other words, whatever religious denominations believe that, NOT this person. I wasn't calling HER own words, a joke but the actual beliefs of the religious denomination. And as a Muslim, I believe I am VERY WELL within my rights to criticize ANY set of beliefs that slander the true words of Allah and His Messengers in any way. If you had read my post you would have seen that I thought I was talking to a person whose been Muslim for awhile. I wasn't aware that this was a new Muslim or a revert. People make mistakes, that's why we're human beings. If you would like for me to assume that you know nothing, then I'm sure I'll have no problem remembering that. And no offense, but before you start criticizing people's responses you should realize that maybe there's more to what you're criticizing. I mean no offense to this poster, but I've seen other posts by this person that were very critical to some Muslims, including myself, and I was personally offended. I won't mention them but I'll just say that I was. So clearly, that was influencing my answer and if she is truly searching for knowledge, then may she find it inshAllah.

But to YOU, I suggest you get the 411 on things before spewing criticism.