Denmark sliding into to recession!!!

abubaseer

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How can a Nation prosper if it Mocks the Prophet of Allah ??? Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam

Denmark rescues bank to secure financial stability

By David Ibison in Stockholm

Published: August 26 2008 03:00 | Last updated: August 26 2008 03:00

Denmark's central bank has taken control of the country's eighth-largest retail lender to avert a systemic financial crisis - the first such move for 15 years.

Nationalbanken and about 100 Danish financial companies are injecting DKr4.5bn ($890m, €603m, £480m) cash into Roskilde Bank and assuming DKr37.3bn of debt after its portfolio of property-related loans went bad.

"We wanted to secure financial stability in Denmark. The alternative would have been that Roskilde went bankrupt and that would have resulted in a considerable contagion throughout the financial sector," said Nils Bernstein, governor of the central bank in Copenhagen.

Roskilde, which has 24 branches and about 100,000 customers, is the second small Danish bank to face a liquidity crunch. Earlier this year Trelleborg was forced to sell itself to Sydbank.

The latest rescue brings the effects of the global economic crisis to Denmark's doorstep and highlights the country's growing economic difficulties. In the first quarter of this year it became the first European Union member to go into recession.

Rising interest rates and sharp increases in food and oil prices have undermined household incomes in Denmark, weakening consumer demand and triggering a correction in property prices.

Roskilde was put up for sale in July after revealing losses stemming from exposure to the weakening Danish property market. But a buyer was not found and the central bank was forced to step in.

Roskilde said an uncompleted audit had unveiled an additional DKr1bn in writedowns on loan provisions on top of the DKr520m to DKr540m it forecast in July.

Mr Bernstein, who des-cribed Roskilde's culture as "slipshod", said the decision to mount a rescue was taken because he believed other Danish banks might have experienced difficulties raising funds from international capital markets in the event of Roskilde's collapse. He sought to limit the potential systemic impact of the bail- out, saying other Danish banks were not as exposed to the property market as Roskilde and that "in general, Danish banks are well prepared" to deal with a weakening economy.

Despite the central bank's reassuring words, market sentiment towards other financial companies, such as Amagerbanken and Forstaedernes Bank, weakened yesterday, pushing their share prices sharply lower.

However, shares in the country's largest banks - Danske Bank, Jyske Bank and Sydbank - declined only slightly, indicating the pillars of the country's banking industry remain sound.

Roskilde's investors will be wiped out. "Unfortunately for shareholders and holders of hybrid core capital and subordinated loan capital, as things look today they have most likely lost their capital," said Mr Bernstein.

The Danish economy shrank by 0.2 per cent in the fourth quarter of last year and by 0.6 per cent in the first quarter of this year, putting the country into a technical recession.

But analysts pointed out that Danes have not been living beyond their means and that the coming downswing in consumer spending should not be too severe.

This view is backed up by the fact that wages are growing faster than headline inflation, which means real incomes are rising, and unemployment is falling, although it is expected to start rising later this year as growth slows.

Lex, Page 16 www.ft.com/creditsqueeze

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

As a Muslim we never want the poor to suffer. But the whole ideology of recession and depression and inflation is based on false notions of reality. Those in power play with numbers to make themselves rich.
For those who made fun of that which is Beloved of the Creator..!
 

irish_muslim_08

Junior Member
Asalamualeykum,

Thank you for the post.

The one thing to note is that there are many countries throughout Europe who will suffer from this inevitable recession, the UK and Ireland are also suffering. This is due to the banking systems in operation in this part of the world, many people live on borrowed money and have a false economy, many people live in a dream world with the income that they eran against the spending that they incur. The hard-working public are the ones who will suffer with repossessions to houses and properties. The banks will still earn their money and their big bonuses.

I discussed with a friend of mine how introducing the Islamic Banking system would improve the way in which we all (banks too) think of money and how we use it daily.

I hope, inshallah, that Brother abubaseer posted this without any hidden agenda, as we know how unpopular Denmark was after the cartoons of Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him)

Salam
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Asalamualeykum,

Thank you for the post.

The one thing to note is that there are many countries throughout Europe who will suffer from this inevitable recession, the UK and Ireland are also suffering. This is due to the banking systems in operation in this part of the world, many people live on borrowed money and have a false economy, many people live in a dream world with the income that they eran against the spending that they incur. The hard-working public are the ones who will suffer with repossessions to houses and properties. The banks will still earn their money and their big bonuses.

I discussed with a friend of mine how introducing the Islamic Banking system would improve the way in which we all (banks too) think of money and how we use it daily.

I hope, inshallah, that Brother abubaseer posted this without any hidden agenda, as we know how unpopular Denmark was after the cartoons of Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him)

Salam

:salam2: Brother,

Thats true...some economists say that these days more than 95% of the financial transactions are speculative...meaning they are not as a result of movement of actual goods or services.

And interest based economy is bound to go into recession every few years/decades...Because, interest based economy assumes exponential growth which is not possible in real world.

So after every few years/decades there will be a recession/correction...
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
:salam2:

Very true brothers that an interest based economy is bound to go into recession but its equally true that its the common man who suffers and bears all the burden and the big fishes never lose. There was a documentary on Channel 4 titled "How the Banks never lose"

This is an excerpt from their website.

How The Banks Never Lose

As the credit crunch continues to leave Britain cash-strapped and high street banks report huge losses, Dispatches investigates who is responsible for the current crisis. Reckless lending and risky investments have been blamed for directly driving up mortgage rates and increasing the numbers of people losing their homes.

Dispatches investigates how the bank chiefs allowed this to happen and if lessons have been learnt from the Northern Rock crisis. Former investment banker James Max tracks down the banking bosses who have presided over the colossal losses to see if they will be held to account.

He examines the billion pound bonus culture and lifestyle of the City's wide boys and investigates how the banks are now seeking to make back the money they lost before the credit boom hit the buffers.

Featuring the results of an exclusive survey of bank lending rates, and how much money banks are re-claiming through them, the film also offers expert advice on how to cope with higher interest rates and shows how customers can take banking into their own hands.
Source

Few days ago there was another article about how the banks charged some 3 billion pounds from the customers in the name of Credit Crunch.

Banks 'use crunch to raise profits by £3bn'
Simon Duke, Daily Mail
24 August 2008, 9:36am


Banks ahave been accused last night of 'milking' nearly £3bn extra cash from homeowners and blaming the credit crunch.
High Street lenders have made the money by raising their mortgage rates and fees over the past year, even though interest rate cuts have made it cheaper for some of them to borrow money.

A new study calculates that the country's five biggest banks - Halifax, HSBC Barclays, Lloyds TSB and Royal Bank of Scotland - are raking in £2.8bn more from mortgage borrowers compared to last year.
The news is bound to anger homeowners, who have seen budgets coming under massive pressure from rises in food and energy bills - and other bank charges.
Figures from the personal finance website Moneyfacts.co.uk - to be used in a Dispatches documentary on the credit crunch on Channel Four next Monday - show that the average rate on a five-year fixed mortgage have risen by 0.43% to 6.76% since July last year.
However, a key wholesale interest rate used by banks, called the two-year swap rate, fell from 6.29% from 5.66%. On the basis of these figures, banks can potentially make an extra £2.8bn over the course of a year from mortgage customers. RBS, Barclays and others have lost tens of bns since the credit crunch erupted last August after buying toxic assets linked to low-income US mortgages.
Over the past year banks have raised their borrowing rates and forced through sizeable rises in mortgage arrangement and credit card fees as they try to shore up their battered finances. Their sky-high borrowing costs have frozen tens of thousands of first-time buyers out of the property market, putting further pressure on house prices.
Liberal Democrat economics spokesman Vince Cable said last night: 'The banks are milking overstretched families to make up for their previous mistakes.
'They're trying to have it both ways, squeezing as much as they can out of their customers while running to the government for help.'
Earlier this year Chancellor Alistair Darling threw a £50bn lifeline to the biggest banks by allowing them to swap huge swathes of home loans for iron-clad government bonds. The move was designed to kick-start the property market.
Mr Cable says the Government should hold a wide-ranging probe into the banks' conduct. He said: 'The whole system of bank charging has been brought into disrepute.'
Melanie Bien, of mortgage broker Savills Private Finance, said: 'The banks have been frank about how they want to increase profit margins on their mortgage products, and that's exactly what they're doing. Last year there was fierce competition for new business - now that's just not the case.'
Recent financial results show banks clawing back their sub-prime losses. RBS has increased profits at its UK arm by nearly ten%, to £1.1bn. Some £158m may have come from higher mortgage charges, according to the Dispatches/moneyfacts.co.uk survey.
Halifax, Britain's biggest lender, is estimated to have profited by £ 1.5bn after upping its five-year fixed rate by 0.55%. A spokesman denied using the credit crunch as a smokescreen to raise charges. He added: 'Today we announced yet another raft of mortgage rate reductions - our fifteenth this year. We price in line with the market.'
Source
 

irish_muslim_08

Junior Member
Asalamualeykum Moshin,

I hope, inshallah, to see that programme as the trailer for it seemed very interesting indeed. If you told people that the Islamic Banking system was part of Shariah i wonder would that change peoples perception of Shariah?
 

abubaseer

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Staff member
:salam2: Brother Mohsin and Irish Muslim,

There is very good film on youtube why interest based economy is inherently a faulty concept. It explains it right from the basics using very easy to understand animations...Just wanted to share with you if yo have not seen it.

I wanted to share the link, but the later parts of the film is a BIG lie about Eesa (Jeus) Alayhis Salaam...Let me know if you are intrested inshaAllah I will send you the link...
:wasalam:
 

irish_muslim_08

Junior Member
:salam2: Brother Mohsin and Irish Muslim,

There is very good film on youtube why interest based economy is inherently a faulty concept. It explains it right from the basics using very easy to understand animations...Just wanted to share with you if yo have not seen it.

I wanted to share the link, but the later parts of the film is a BIG lie about Eesa (Jeus) Alayhis Salaam...Let me know if you are intrested inshaAllah I will send you the link...
:wasalam:

Asalamualeykum abubaseer,

i would be very interested in watching it, always looking to learn something new. Please send me the link.

Salam
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Asalamualeykum abubaseer,

i would be very interested in watching it, always looking to learn something new. Please send me the link.

Salam

Wa Alaykum As Salaam Akhi,

Beloware the Links:

It is in many many parts, but last few parts are a LIE against Eesaa (Jesus) Alayhis Salaam

This highly informative and easy to understand film covers just about everything that isn't taught in school regarding the corrupt banking system. It explains how these institutions get away with robbing the unsuspecting public by creating monetary policies designed to enslave society, while keeping the system in a perpetual state of rising debt.
_______________________________________

1. Corrupt Banking System - Cartels Robbing the Public
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD7...
_______________________________________

2. Corrupt Banking System - How "Money" is Created
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXavR...
_______________________________________

3. Corrupt Banking System - Money is Debt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yvRZo...
_______________________________________

4. Corrupt Banking System - Monetary Reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0p8Le...
_______________________________________

5. Corrupt Banking System - Warning About the NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXZ_H...
Part 1 Money as debt
 

irish_muslim_08

Junior Member
Wa Alaykum As Salaam Akhi,

Beloware the Links:

It is in many many parts, but last few parts are a LIE against Eesaa (Jesus) Alayhis Salaam

This highly informative and easy to understand film covers just about everything that isn't taught in school regarding the corrupt banking system. It explains how these institutions get away with robbing the unsuspecting public by creating monetary policies designed to enslave society, while keeping the system in a perpetual state of rising debt.
_______________________________________

1. Corrupt Banking System - Cartels Robbing the Public
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD7...
_______________________________________

2. Corrupt Banking System - How "Money" is Created
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXavR...
_______________________________________

3. Corrupt Banking System - Money is Debt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yvRZo...
_______________________________________

4. Corrupt Banking System - Monetary Reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0p8Le...
_______________________________________

5. Corrupt Banking System - Warning About the NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXZ_H...
Part 1 Money as debt


Asalamualeykum Abubaseer,

Thanks for the links, I will watch them when I get home from work, inshallah.

Salam
 

nori suja'i

Junior Member
one of few denmark reverted muslim says on 'the deen show' that not all denmark ppl were having the same opinion like geert wilders and his followers have, so for me its unfair to blame the whole cntry.
it seems money is the sources of evil, is it? i'm not sure but sometimes we misunderstood if money is only a tool to distinguish everything aspecially ppl's heart, may be right, may be wrong wallahu alambissawab (Allah The Only One Knows).
 
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