what's our reaction to the MUMBAI TERROR?

[nyerekareem]

:salam2:

many of you all may now be aware that there was a major terror attack in Mumbai yesterday. as of the moment, a " muslim " group is claiming responsibility for the heinous acts comitted. i was wondering how muslims from around the world view this attack. do we condemn the attack, do we apologize, do we make an effort to explain what islam really means? what do we do?


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1. APOLOGISING

and 2. CONDEMNING....

Muslims Condemn all acts of violence and injustice no matter who the perpetrators are! This is a given. But, we do not need to apologise !

If you are a Christian or a Jew reading this thread, ask yourself if you feel the need to take a microphone and APOLOGISE each time someone does something in the name of your faith?? Such as the Lords Resistance Army in Africa, or the KKK etc??

Likewise, Muslims feel no need to Apologise for something that does not reflect them or their Religion.

Kashmir Massacres carried out by Indian Govt.-Brief History

For further Independent Documentation of the human Rights abuses (rape, torture, kidnapping and murder) carried out by Indian Army against Muslims in Kashmir please see here, the Human Rights Watch Website:

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1999/kashmir/

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Given these complex issues, people can see the sensitivities in having to apologise simply for being Muslims. It is nonsensical and unjust to ask for that. Those who do the crimes are the ones who should apologise and face the punishment.

 

[palestine]

no we do not apologize. did they apologize when they killed and murdered thousands of muslims in india? no they did not. so why should we apologize. i'm happy they were attacked and i don't feel a bit sorry for them. everyone has their own opinion and this is my own. They tortured, murdered, raped, and for many years till now oppressed muslims in india. and only a few people of theirs are killed and they're all over the news. what about the thousands of innocent children who were not given a second chance. did they apologize for that? no they did not. this is the same way they blamed muslims for 9/11 and none of it shall i ever apologize for. Those who disbelieve and who wrong muslims, they will get something similar to it. because what goes around comes around. If they think that Islam tells people to attack, then they are wrong. but as of now, we really don't know what the reason of those who claimed the attacks were attacking for. if it was self defense and a war against oppresion and slavery upon the muslims then i do agree. Islam is clear in every way, and if they do not want it for themselves then that's their choice. NO MUSLIM HAS TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ANYONE, JUST LIKE THE KUFFAR DO NOT EXPLAIN WHY THEY ATTACK US DAILY. salam. asalamu alaykum wrwb.

ps: if there are those who disagree with me, then that's their choice. but my opinion is mine, and i shall not change for another human's pleasure. so do not waste your time if you think you can make me feel apologetic for these attacks. because i don't!

 

[palestine]

and may i remind you all, that mumbai is one of the most shaytanic places on earth. all that bollywood crap is there, and maybe this is a sign for them to take heed. but their hearts are sealed and no matter what one says they will not understan.

 

[palestine]

akhi i have not voted because it doesn't say "agree" or something of the sort. u only gave options of if we are ashamed, should condemn the act, spread the teachings of islam or a dont know.

 

[nyerekareem]

akhi i have not voted because it doesn't say "agree" or something of the sort. u only gave options of if we are ashamed, should condemn the act, spread the teachings of islam or a dont know.

i'm not sure if i can edit the poll to put more options now. sorry about that.

fortunately, people will still be able to post comments within the thread to state how they feel good or bad.

 

[palestine]

i'm not sure if i can edit the poll to put more options now. sorry about that.

fortunately, people will still be able to post comments within the thread to state how they feel good or bad.

no problem akhi. people will reply inshaAllah. :salam2:

 

[IbnAdam77]

no we do not apologize. did they apologize when they killed and murdered thousands of muslims in india? no they did not. so why should we apologize. i'm happy they were attacked and i don't feel a bit sorry for them. everyone has their own opinion and this is my own. They tortured, murdered, raped, and for many years till now oppressed muslims in india. and only a few people of theirs are killed and they're all over the news. what about the thousands of innocent children who were not given a second chance. did they apologize for that? no they did not. this is the same way they blamed muslims for 9/11 and none of it shall i ever apologize for. Those who disbelieve and who wrong muslims, they will get something similar to it. because what goes around comes around. If they think that Islam tells people to attack, then they are wrong. but as of now, we really don't know what the reason of those who claimed the attacks were attacking for. if it was self defense and a war against oppresion and slavery upon the muslims then i do agree. Islam is clear in every way, and if they do not want it for themselves then that's their choice. NO MUSLIM HAS TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ANYONE, JUST LIKE THE KUFFAR DO NOT EXPLAIN WHY THEY ATTACK US DAILY. salam. asalamu alaykum wrwb.

ps: if there are those who disagree with me, then that's their choice. but my opinion is mine, and i shall not change for another human's pleasure. so do not waste your time if you think you can make me feel apologetic for these attacks. because i don't!

:salam2: sister.

I will not try to change your mind on this. However, as per my thinking, I strongly believe that this is not allowed in Islam. Why?
So many civilians were killed (more than 80 according to current news) in those attacks. I would appreciate the attacks if it were to the people who practically fight against us and kill our innocent brothers, sisters and children. But these attacks were given to some of the crowded sites in Mumbai. Although west fight against us, we cannot kill the civilians who visit us under an agreement called Visa.

The state of Islam was built in Medina and Muslims lived with kuffar, under agreements. It is NOT ALLOWED to kill Zimmiyya Kaafir in Islam if he does not become a Harbi Kaafir.

When Rasoolullah (saw) sent troops to different wars, what did he (saw) say in his speeches? Not to kill women and children, not to kill old people, not to kill those who does not involve in war practically, not to kill animals, not to destroy their houses on purpose and not to destroy trees on purpose. He (saw) also said to give them a chance and call to Islam before starting the war.

Subhaanallah! Subhaanallah! Subhaanallah!

O you who believe! Obey God and His Messenger, and do not turn away from him. (al-Anfal, 8.20)

Surely there is for you in God’s Messenger an excellent example for him who aspires to God and the Hereafter, and mentions God oft. (al-Ahzab, 33.21)

Please do not think I am defending Kuffar. However, I cannot defend this attack as it is on civilians. If we try to copy the Kuffar in any means, our both world is vanished. How can we kill their civilians because they kill ours?

At last, I would like to say that this is not the lesson we have been thought by Rasoolullah (saw). The only problem is that we are not united against Kuffar. See the power of Muslims in the past when they were united. Let us try our best to make this Ummah united again. Then we can have our power and our lands will be safe by the will of ALLAH.

Ya ALLAH! Make us among who followed your deen (Islam) truly and protect us from Kaafiroon.

I am sorry if any brother or sister is offended by this. Its not my intention.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

 

[nyerekareem]

:salam2: sister.

I will not try to change your mind on this. However, as per my thinking, I strongly believe that this is not allowed in Islam. Why?
So many civilians were killed (more than 80 according to current news) in those attacks. I would appreciate the attacks if it were to the people who practically fight against us and kill our innocent brothers, sisters and children. But these attacks were given to some of the crowded sites in Mumbai. Although west fight against us, we cannot kill the civilians who visit us under an agreement called Visa.

The state of Islam was built in Medina and Muslims lived with kuffar, under agreements. It is NOT ALLOWED to kill Zimmiyya Kaafir in Islam if he does not become a Harbi Kaafir.

When Rasoolullah (saw) sent troops to different wars, what did he (saw) say in his speeches? Not to kill women and children, not to kill old people, not to kill those who does not involve in war practically, not to kill animals, not to destroy their houses on purpose and not to destroy trees on purpose. He (saw) also said to give them a chance and call to Islam before starting the war.

Subhaanallah! Subhaanallah! Subhaanallah!

O you who believe! Obey God and His Messenger, and do not turn away from him. (al-Anfal, 8.20)

Surely there is for you in God’s Messenger an excellent example for him who aspires to God and the Hereafter, and mentions God oft. (al-Ahzab, 33.21)

Please do not think I am defending Kuffar. However, I cannot defend this attack as it is on civilians. If we try to copy the Kuffar in any means, our both world is vanished. How can we kill their civilians because they kill ours?

At last, I would like to say that this is not the lesson we have been thought by Rasoolullah (saw). The only problem is that we are not united against Kuffar. See the power of Muslims in the past when they were united. Let us try our best to make this Ummah united again. Then we can have our power and our lands will be safe by the will of ALLAH.

Ya ALLAH! Make us among who followed your deen (Islam) truly and protect us from Kaafiroon.

I am sorry if any brother or sister is offended by this. Its not my intention.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

:salam2:

i am of the same feeling that you have. i do get angry when i hear terrible things happen to my muslim brothers and sisters around the world, but in this situation there are too many civilians and lack of knowledge as to how many muslims that were just nearby that were affected.

if the places and people that were attacked, were specific enemies of islam and have acted out on muslims, i think the people deserve to be retaliated against. but this just really seems like it's all civilians. we always have to see people as potential shahadahs.

 

[palestine]

Hey, they're not even sure it's Muslims. they're probably just blaming us again. so my suggestion would be to stop believing every media stuff you hear. Only Allah knows who did what and why. we don't. however my above response was if they are muslims. and ibnadam77 and nye. i'm not saying civilians should be killed. i'm talking about the munafiqoon and those who have fought the Muslims. as a muslim i would not want anyone to get hurt who wasn't involved in the killing of the Muslims. maybe i didn't word my response the right way. but my brothers and sisters are more important to me than that of the kafiruun. asalamu alaykum wrwb.

 

[ahmed3711]

why to kill innocent people???????????????

am very angry really whyyyyyyyyy to kill innocent people ? (i mean any religion or race any person in this world i mean also) the terrorists don't belong to any race or religion i know they belong to themselves and they make their attacks by the name of religion

i wish every person to wake up not to be brainwashed by terrorist organizations
to this terrorist organization : maybe am not from india but i am part of the world and i got to respect my partner in this world (this msg to all terrorists)

salam to all

 

[mfarooq-khan]

Asalam-o-Alaikum, brothers, and sisters,

I am not sure who did this act, but i am happy about this, that someone has hit the center of kuffar and fasad. i have read in news that they have taken hostage the parliamentarians and westerns. so think for a while, who is the friend of israle, america, and taghuti force in afghanistan, who is killing innocent muslims around the world, they are one when they strike us and islam, then why we should discriminate while striking back.

May allah give us the strength to fight the kuffar and fasad. Amin

 

[Basicofislam]

:salam2: I feel the muslims r in this position cause most of the muslims dont follow the true islam. These people who go out and kill. I feel they dont know much about islam. They act cause of anger not with the true knowledge of islam. I know that musims are being killed all over the world but that does not mean you loose faith in Allah and go and kill. I feel fight should be done with education. Muslim the west is leading cause they are more educated. I feel people should learn about islam and also go to school and study.Dont prevent the women from studying cause they are the ones who raise kids.

 

[ahmed3711]

:salam2: I feel the muslims r in this position cause most of the muslims dont follow the true islam. These people who go out and kill. I feel they dont know much about islam. They act cause of anger not with the true knowledge of islam. I know that musims are being killed all over the world but that does not mean you loose faith in Allah and go and kill. I feel fight should be done with education. Muslim the west is leading cause they are more educated. I feel people should learn about islam and also go to school and study.Dont prevent the women from studying cause they are the ones who raise kids.

i think you are right sister in every word you said because without education you will not do a positive step in your life

 

[duncan_bayne]

The state of Islam was built in Medina and Muslims lived with kuffar, under agreements. It is NOT ALLOWED to kill Zimmiyya Kaafir in Islam if he does not become a Harbi Kaafir.

Under what rules must kuffar live if they are to be considered Zimmiyya Kaafir?

 

[mfarooq-khan]

Asalam-o-Alaikum brothers and sisters,

I feel very sorry when i hear that today muslims are disgraced due to fighting and resisting. so if this is true, then every one should keep this very clear in mind that Rasoolullah (PBUH) and sahaba RA, tabaeen, taba-tabeen, had taken this way, today muslims are disgraced bcz the have left the way of jihad and Qital fi sabeelillah, today muslims are afraid of death.

 

[Samandar]

Asalam-o-Alaikum brothers and sisters,

I feel very sorry when i hear that today muslims are disgraced due to fighting and resisting. so if this is true, then every one should keep this very clear in mind that Rasoolullah (PBUH) and sahaba RA, tabaeen, taba-tabeen, had taken this way, today muslims are disgraced bcz the have left the way of jihad and Qital fi sabeelillah, today muslims are afraid of death.

:salam2:

except the true mujahid, they are not afraid of death.

 

[IbnAdam77]

Under what rules must kuffar live if they are to be considered Zimmiyya Kaafir?

:salam2: brother/sister

The word Kaafir most probably should be one of the most misunderstood terms in the history of world languages. The term has been abused & projected by media in such a fashion that it induces spontaneous hatred among people to whom this term is being referred. Any language at it's best, conveys what it's made out to convey.

Factually speaking there is nothing derogatory or insulting about the term Kaafir. The term (derived from Kufr in Arabic language) means 'One who rejects (denies) the truth' or 'One who does not believe' or a 'Non-believer'. A person who is not a Christian is called a Non-Christian; a person who is not a Hindu is known as a non-Hindu; similarly, a person who is not a Muslim is called a non-Muslim, which when translated in to Arabic language is called a Kaafir.

It's as simple as that. In fact, the term Kaafir relates more to the status of a person's belief system and reflects less about the physical entity that he is. A more apt, politically and socially significant term Zimmi used in Arabic literature to denote non-Muslims has been ignored and has gone unnoticed by Muslim bashers.

A non-Muslim subject in an Islamic state is called Zimmi (derived from Zimma meaning responsibility) meaning a subject whose life, honour and property will be protected by the Islamic State. He will have freedom to follow his own belief system. He will have his own set of laws, administered by his own tribunals and own judges, without any interference on the part of the Muslim authorities. He will also be exempted from participation in the wars,

otherwise compulsory to the Muslim subjects of the state. He will not be required to pay the compulsory annual Zakaat (a type of compulsory tax collected annually from all Muslims by Islamic Governments and disbursed to poor Muslims). Against all these privileges the non-Muslim subject Zimmi have to pay a nominal tax called Jizya.

The quantum of Jizya will be reasonable enough as not to be a financial burden on him. In case of any uncertainty with respect to the safety of non-Muslim subjects, an Islamic state will forfeit its right to collect such tax. History tells us that the second Caliph Umer (RA) returned a huge sum of money collected through Jizya to the non-Muslim subjects in one such compelling circumstance.

The Zimmis also will not be allowed to participate in legislation process. For that matter, not even the Muslim subjects. Because the law making (Legislation) authority rests with Allah and hence will be solely based on Qur'an & Sunnah.

The Islamic State will only be a law-enforcing agency. At the time of the revelation of the Holy Qur'an, when most of the non-believers in Mecca and Madina had waged a pitched battle with believers; Allah (SWT) sensing the question upper most in the minds of most Muslims with respect to their dealings with other non- believers who were not hostile to them issued the following instruction: "Allah does not forbid you to be kind and deal justly with non-Muslims, who do not wage war against you on account of your religion and do not drive you out of your homes. Verily Allah loves those who are just". (60-8)

The above-mentioned verse in fact is a policy statement in this matter. This is further exemplified by Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) who said: "One who kills a Zimmi, will not get even the scent of the paradise. In another statement he said: " I shall stand witness against the believer, who will be guilty of persecuting a Zimmi." It should be noted that while discussing the rights of neighbours and the wayfarers, Islam does not make any distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims.

A non-Muslim neighbour has as much rights over his Muslim neighbour as the other Muslim neighbour next door. There can not be a better example to illustrate Islam's stand vis-à-vis the treatment to the non -Muslims, than the story narrated by Abu Uzair (RA), one of the companion of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), before embracing Islam. "I was one of the prisoners-of-war and was handed over as captive to one of the Ansars (residents of Madina).

Ever since Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) instructed his companions to look well after the captives, the situation used to be that my Ansar host used to eat only dates while providing me a stomach full meal." No wonder, the entire Christian population of a border town, preferred to live as Zimmis under the rule of Hazrat Umar (RA) ,the second Caliph of Islam instead of becoming sovereign subjects of a Christian king in 640 CE.

www.islamvision.org

So, if a person or group of them took sword against us, its a waajib for us to protect ourselves and property from them in all the ways we can. Even by killing.
Hope it is clear.

wassalam

-brother IbnAdam-

 

[AlQurtubi]

I think this poll should immediately be removed as it has been involving muslims unnecessary in bomb blast. Dakkani Mujahideen have taken the responsibility, but just by naming yourself as Mujahideen, you dont necessarily belong to them and they might be a CIA backed group.

Previously, it has been found that the responsible person of some blasts in india were their army colonel who has been suspended now. I think his name is "colonel parohat".

Why on this earth every blast is put under the category of muslims?

Sister Palestine, I second you

 

[tolgatemur]

Salam Aleykum Bros and Sisters,

Bro MFaruuk-Khan i am not sure todays muslim fear dieing. But i am sure most of them fear Allah that they dont want to kill innocent people.

We mustn confuse War and Terror. War is done between two army you know old wars.. two group is fighting agains to each others.

But terrorism is simply a sin of killing innocent people. who re not attacking against to muslim society. Thats what diferentiate us from barbaric tribes.. We re muslim not barbars.

 

[Bawar]

:salam2:

First of all, it has not been proved that it was muslims who did this.

Secondly, do not forget that muslims these days are the main victims of terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so on.

There is no place for indiscriminate killing in islam.

It is politics on a global scale and bringing in the term islamic terrorists/mulim terrorists is an easy way to cover the real agenda and players behind it and achieve a political outcome by interested nations.

One of the purposes of these acts are to make life difficult for over 300 million Indian muslims.