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You are 100% right. He has made several takfeers he even made takfeer on Feiz Muhammed just because he didnt want to sit with senior scholars or something.
what's our reaction to the MUMBAI TERROR?
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You are 100% right. He has made several takfeers he even made takfeer on Feiz Muhammed just because he didnt want to sit with senior scholars or something.
Unfortantely what I see from Many Muslims in this forum and those who I talk to is that they have been Poisend by the evil creed of the Ikwanul Muslimeen, Qaradawism and Bin Laden.
They believe that they need Muslims to "Unite".
They want Unity with Shi3as from Iran, Iraq, Bahrain who curse Allah, his Prophet his companion and all of Islam. who believe Ali has the power to control the universe.
They want us to Unite with the Habashies from Lebanon who are at this moment cursing Islam and their scholars and uniting with the Kuffar to Invade Saudi Arabia.
They want Muslims to Unite with the Allawites in Syria who make up 20% of Syria and who control the government and literally believe that Ali is actually Allah in form of a Man astugfur'Allah.
They want Muslims to Unite with Ghaddafi in Lybia who is calling for the return of Shi3ism in north Africa and the Fatimaids who used to persecute Ahlus Sunnah.
They want Unity with Kharajites like in Qatar, UAE, and with the Ibadi Shi3a sect in Oman.
They want Muslims to Unite with the Zaydis in Yemen.
They want Unity with the Deobandies in Afghanistan and the Tablighis in Pakistan.
And like I said the list goes on and on and on.
But yet these same group of people who calling Muslims to unite are calling muslim scholars Ignorant and Payed by the government ignorant ?
I would like to ask Daywalker, after you do Jihad and you lets say succeed what kind of Ideology will you Impose on that Land?
will it be the shi3a sect? soufi sect? the ibadi sect? habashi sect? which one so I can know and all muslims know so they can atleast unite with you even if it is false.
They believe that they need Muslims to "Unite".
They want Unity with Shi3as from Iran, Iraq, Bahrain who curse Allah, his Prophet his companion and all of Islam. who believe Ali has the power to control the universe.
They want us to Unite with the Habashies from Lebanon who are at this moment cursing Islam and their scholars and uniting with the Kuffar to Invade Saudi Arabia.
They want Muslims to Unite with the Allawites in Syria who make up 20% of Syria and who control the government and literally believe that Ali is actually Allah in form of a Man astugfur'Allah.
They want Muslims to Unite with Ghaddafi in Lybia who is calling for the return of Shi3ism in north Africa and the Fatimaids who used to persecute Ahlus Sunnah.
They want Unity with Kharajites like in Qatar, UAE, and with the Ibadi Shi3a sect in Oman.
They want Muslims to Unite with the Zaydis in Yemen.
They want Unity with the Deobandies in Afghanistan and the Tablighis in Pakistan.
And like I said the list goes on and on and on.
But yet these same group of people who calling Muslims to unite are calling muslim scholars Ignorant and Payed by the government ignorant ?
I would like to ask Daywalker, after you do Jihad and you lets say succeed what kind of Ideology will you Impose on that Land?
will it be the shi3a sect? soufi sect? the ibadi sect? habashi sect? which one so I can know and all muslims know so they can atleast unite with you even if it is false.
OsMaN_93
Here to help
80 Dead - Including Top Police - Over 900 in Hospital - British Held Hostage - Different Groups Claim Responsibility
Mumbai (formerly Bombay), India's affluent, financial capitol fell under siege; attackers struck in different ways in various locations around the city, leaving 80 dead, hundreds wounded and taking hostages from amongst the elite expatriots and British visitors living in the most elegant hotels.
Claims say attackers emerged from the sea - commando style, other reports blame Hindu extremists and jihadi terrorists have also been blamed. Nothing has been confirmed as yet. Last month, 10 arrests unearthed what appeared to be a possible Hindu extremist terror network, with ties to the BJP. But the security agencies and analysts insist the blame must be put on the jihadi groups for all the recent terror attacks.
Attacks came against Mumbai's most high-profile targets; hyper-busy CST rail terminus; the historical landmark, Taj Hotel at the Gateway by the sea and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard. In addition to the 80 left dead, close to 1,000 more have been reported as injured and sent to hospitals, according to reports there.
Mumbai's top police officials were amongst those who were killed. Reports say the chief of anti-terror squad, Hemant Karkare was amongst those targeted, along with police commissioner Ashok Kamte (east), who was gunned down while outside the Metro; and well-known encounter specialist, Vjah Salaskar was also killed.
Attackers appear to be after international attention by focusing on British and other foreigners whom they have taken as hostages. Harish Manwani, chairman of Hindustan Unilever and the company's CEO, Nitin Paranjpe were among guests trapped at teh Oberoi Hotel located in the posh area of Mumbai. All internal members of the board of this multinational company have been reported held hostage in the Oberoi.
Simultaneous bomb blasts on Wednesday — similar to previous radical Islamist attacks — immediately led most observers to suspect the jihadis once again. For years, India blamed Pakistan's intelligence services for terror attacks; then the usual suspects became the Harkat ul Jihad Islamia (based in Bangladesh) and Students Islamic Movement of India, a group that has been banned. This summer, a new group emerged, Indian Mujahideen, claiming responsibility via e-mail for several attacks and stressing that their members and grievances were homegrown. A group called Deccan Mujahideen, previously unknown, has also sent an e-mail claiming responsibility for Wednesday's attacks. That claim cannot yet be confirmed.
Well after midnight, sources said two of the attackers were shot and wounded at Girgaum in south Mumbai. The two were driving in a silver-coloured Skoda car they had commandeered. Earlier, these men had sprayed bullets from a police Bolero, outside the Metro Adlabs multiplex.
The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police's office. "This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have bee attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places," said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.
St George's Hospital and G T Hospital were said to have received 75 bodies and more than 250 injured people, additional municipal commissioner R A Rajeev said. Bombay Hospital got two bodies and 30 injured people were admitted there; Cooper Hospital, Vile Parle, got three dismembered bodies.
Three of the deaths occurred inside the Taj and one G T Hospital attendant died in a shootout inside the hospital. There were reports of people cowering under tables and chairs at both the Taj as well as G T Hospital.
Metro Junction resident Manoj Goel said: "My brother, Manish, died in the firing at Colaba's Hamaal Galli."
Police fired back at the men, who were dressed in all black and with backpacks and SRPF. Crime Branch, ATS and teams of military commandos were summoned to the spot. Train services at CST were suspended and all roads leading to and from south Mumbai were blockaded.
The Army and Navy in Mumbai were put on alert. 65 Army commandos and 200 NSG commandos were being rushed to Mumbai, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said.
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Differing opinions over who is behind this attack include some media reports attributing it to Lashkar-e-Taiba. Other unconfirmed reports claim some of the attackers came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night near Gateway of India.
One unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen, sent an email out to news organizations saying they were behind the operation. Two attackers are reported to be in the Oberoi Hotel with hostages.
As the debate over terror continues, various parties have been trading blame. The BJP has accused the Congress of cooking up charges against the arrested Hindu right-wingers, while the Congress has been accusing the BJP of playing a double-game of pointing fingers at the Congress while lending a hand to Hindu-fundamentalist terrorists. Mumbai has been a focus of the tension between the parties, as several of the so-called "Hindu terror" arrests have taken place in or near the city. Perhaps the size and scale of this most recent attack will force the country's political leaders to finally push through a long-shelved proposal to co-ordinate intelligence on terror incidents between the states and prevent a repeat of Wednesday's bloody spectacle.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh cut short his Kerala visit and was returning to Mumbai. He described the situation in Mumbai as "very serious".
Deshmukh promised "stringent action" against the assailants but the mood across Mumbai was not so optimistic.
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 26 November 2008 )
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/606/52/
:salam2:
Mumbai (formerly Bombay), India's affluent, financial capitol fell under siege; attackers struck in different ways in various locations around the city, leaving 80 dead, hundreds wounded and taking hostages from amongst the elite expatriots and British visitors living in the most elegant hotels.
Claims say attackers emerged from the sea - commando style, other reports blame Hindu extremists and jihadi terrorists have also been blamed. Nothing has been confirmed as yet. Last month, 10 arrests unearthed what appeared to be a possible Hindu extremist terror network, with ties to the BJP. But the security agencies and analysts insist the blame must be put on the jihadi groups for all the recent terror attacks.
Attacks came against Mumbai's most high-profile targets; hyper-busy CST rail terminus; the historical landmark, Taj Hotel at the Gateway by the sea and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard. In addition to the 80 left dead, close to 1,000 more have been reported as injured and sent to hospitals, according to reports there.
Mumbai's top police officials were amongst those who were killed. Reports say the chief of anti-terror squad, Hemant Karkare was amongst those targeted, along with police commissioner Ashok Kamte (east), who was gunned down while outside the Metro; and well-known encounter specialist, Vjah Salaskar was also killed.
Attackers appear to be after international attention by focusing on British and other foreigners whom they have taken as hostages. Harish Manwani, chairman of Hindustan Unilever and the company's CEO, Nitin Paranjpe were among guests trapped at teh Oberoi Hotel located in the posh area of Mumbai. All internal members of the board of this multinational company have been reported held hostage in the Oberoi.
Simultaneous bomb blasts on Wednesday — similar to previous radical Islamist attacks — immediately led most observers to suspect the jihadis once again. For years, India blamed Pakistan's intelligence services for terror attacks; then the usual suspects became the Harkat ul Jihad Islamia (based in Bangladesh) and Students Islamic Movement of India, a group that has been banned. This summer, a new group emerged, Indian Mujahideen, claiming responsibility via e-mail for several attacks and stressing that their members and grievances were homegrown. A group called Deccan Mujahideen, previously unknown, has also sent an e-mail claiming responsibility for Wednesday's attacks. That claim cannot yet be confirmed.
Well after midnight, sources said two of the attackers were shot and wounded at Girgaum in south Mumbai. The two were driving in a silver-coloured Skoda car they had commandeered. Earlier, these men had sprayed bullets from a police Bolero, outside the Metro Adlabs multiplex.
The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police's office. "This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have bee attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places," said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.
St George's Hospital and G T Hospital were said to have received 75 bodies and more than 250 injured people, additional municipal commissioner R A Rajeev said. Bombay Hospital got two bodies and 30 injured people were admitted there; Cooper Hospital, Vile Parle, got three dismembered bodies.
Three of the deaths occurred inside the Taj and one G T Hospital attendant died in a shootout inside the hospital. There were reports of people cowering under tables and chairs at both the Taj as well as G T Hospital.
Metro Junction resident Manoj Goel said: "My brother, Manish, died in the firing at Colaba's Hamaal Galli."
Police fired back at the men, who were dressed in all black and with backpacks and SRPF. Crime Branch, ATS and teams of military commandos were summoned to the spot. Train services at CST were suspended and all roads leading to and from south Mumbai were blockaded.
The Army and Navy in Mumbai were put on alert. 65 Army commandos and 200 NSG commandos were being rushed to Mumbai, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said.
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Differing opinions over who is behind this attack include some media reports attributing it to Lashkar-e-Taiba. Other unconfirmed reports claim some of the attackers came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night near Gateway of India.
One unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen, sent an email out to news organizations saying they were behind the operation. Two attackers are reported to be in the Oberoi Hotel with hostages.
As the debate over terror continues, various parties have been trading blame. The BJP has accused the Congress of cooking up charges against the arrested Hindu right-wingers, while the Congress has been accusing the BJP of playing a double-game of pointing fingers at the Congress while lending a hand to Hindu-fundamentalist terrorists. Mumbai has been a focus of the tension between the parties, as several of the so-called "Hindu terror" arrests have taken place in or near the city. Perhaps the size and scale of this most recent attack will force the country's political leaders to finally push through a long-shelved proposal to co-ordinate intelligence on terror incidents between the states and prevent a repeat of Wednesday's bloody spectacle.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh cut short his Kerala visit and was returning to Mumbai. He described the situation in Mumbai as "very serious".
Deshmukh promised "stringent action" against the assailants but the mood across Mumbai was not so optimistic.
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 26 November 2008 )
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/606/52/
:salam2:
palestine
Servant of Allah
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ADVICE ME. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BLAME OSAMA BIN LADEN OR THE OTHER MUSLIMS FOR 9/11 AND SUCH. YOU AS A MUSLIM HAVE ALREADY BELIEVED THE LIES OF MEDIA. IT WASN'T EVEN BIN LADEN OR QURTUBI WHO WERE BEHIND THE 9/11 ATTACKS. SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU BLAME THE OTHERS. AND SECONDLY I DO NOT HAVE TERRORISTIC THOUGHTS. BUT I'M HURT WHEN MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ISLAM ARE HURT. SO WHY SHOULD I CARE AND FEEL SYMPATHY FOR THE KUFFAR, WHEN THEY RAPE AND KILL MY OWN. AS WE SPEAK MY OWN AUNTS AND UNCLE ARE BEING HELD FROM HAJJ BY THE ETHIOPIANS. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO: SMILE AND SAYS IT'S OK. I NEVER ONCE SAID THAT ISLAM ALLOWED TERRORISM. BUT I DID SAY THAT ISLAM ALLOWS SELF DEFENSE. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT I CALL THE GUERILLAS. AND I DID NOT SAY THE GUERILLAS ARE MUJAHIDS. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO POINTS FINGERS AT OTHERS SUCH AS SH. FEIZ CALLING HIM A KAFIR. IF THERE IS ANYONE ON TTI WHO DUMB ENOUGH TO SIDE WITH THE KUFFAR, IT'S YOU! YES I SUPPORT THE MUJAHIDEEN AND I SUPPORT THE MUSLIMS AND I'M PROUD OF THOSE WHO FIGHT AGAINST INJUSTICE AND OPPRESSION. AND WHAT YOU SAY WILL NEVER CHANGE ME. I DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM PEOPLE WHO CALL THEIR OWN MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS KAFIRS. SO GO AND GET A LIFE. CAUSE YOU NEED ONE.
palestine
Servant of Allah
OH BY THE WAY SALEM9022 YOU KEEP MENTIONING SOMALIA. KEEP IT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! IF YOU'RE NOT HELPING THE CAUSE THEN THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. BUT DON'T ASSOCIATE ME WITH PIRATES AND THE LIKE. I LOVE TRUE ISLAM. I WILL NOT JUDGE PAKISTAN OR PAKISTANIS BASED ON YOUR STUPIDITY. BECAUSE I KNOW THE REST OF PAKISTANIS AND PAKISTAN ARE SMARTER THAN YOU. YOU'RE JUDGING ME FOR WHAT THE PIRATES DID. GUESS WHAT, IM NOT A PIRATE, AND YES I'M SOMALIAN BUT I'M MUSLIM FIRST![/I] YOU'RE NOT WORTH MY TIME. SO GET SOME ONE WHOM WILL TAKE BLAME FOR WHAT YOU ASSOCIATE ME WITH. PEACE.
podolski11
PAIN
this is jz dumb.....any indian and paki would know its not bout muslims....its all bout kashmir.....and the F u think if any paki or any human being woukd give a damn if u knew what all those indian army pigs rape women including children in the muslim majority kashmir????...........its ISI work as usual jz like how RAW does its aatacks in pakistan.....now RAW will b aiming a revenge attack in pakistan ...sigh ...better b careful all of u in pakistan
:angryred::angryred::angryred::angryred:
:angryred::angryred::angryred::angryred:
Abdul Musa'ir my Pms are open but it says "Your PM Box is 100% Full" so not sure if you can send my any, also to palestine:
I didnt call you a pirate and I didnt even mention your name and Pirates in the same sentence also I had no idea you were even a Somali.
Also you dont have to worry about pakistanis, usually pakistanis dont even like me either because I tell them things where it hurts!
I didnt call you a pirate and I didnt even mention your name and Pirates in the same sentence also I had no idea you were even a Somali.
Also you dont have to worry about pakistanis, usually pakistanis dont even like me either because I tell them things where it hurts!
cmelbouzaidi
Junior Member
:salam2: dear brothers and sisters on TTI, we are a family here and can all have our different points of view but I hope we can try to keep it more respectful. For me, I know that it may not have been so-called Muslims who did these acts in Mumbai and we may never know who was behind it, as I said earlier. However, it worries me when someone can just dismiss lives being lost as those of "kufar" and be happy about it. We are told we should not imitate the "kufar"... they are the ones usually devoid of compassion as they have no faith in ALLAH in that we are all His creation.... By stooping to low levels, we are imitating them and we realize it not.... Plus, I don't like the mentality of labelling people as "kufar" to dehumanize them... it is the same principle applied by the White Christians when dehumanizing the blacks in South Africa and by the English Protestants in dehumanizing the Irish, my people, as they persecuted them. True Muslims are better than that.....
Remember, today's "kufar" may be tomorrow's great sheikh
I realize that I am old enough to be most anyone's mother here, at 39.... Let's calm down and ask Allah to not harden our hearts. Today, no matter who is responsible for the acts, many innocent people died. What do you think it would do to a hindu exploring Islam on this forum to see the ignorance and happiness as their friends or loved ones lie injured in hospital beds or already dead? Doesn't say much for dawa, in my view.....
I love you all for the sake of ALLAH and I hope we can all learn to be better Muslims
Remember, today's "kufar" may be tomorrow's great sheikh
I realize that I am old enough to be most anyone's mother here, at 39.... Let's calm down and ask Allah to not harden our hearts. Today, no matter who is responsible for the acts, many innocent people died. What do you think it would do to a hindu exploring Islam on this forum to see the ignorance and happiness as their friends or loved ones lie injured in hospital beds or already dead? Doesn't say much for dawa, in my view.....
I love you all for the sake of ALLAH and I hope we can all learn to be better Muslims
daywalker
Junior Member
Also you dont have to worry about pakistanis, usually pakistanis dont even like me either because I tell them things where it hurts!
Well when your duty is hurting others, what would others do instead hating you? love you? neeeh!
podolski11
PAIN
lol...no offence but i pity all of u...bomb blast takes place in india and all of u r quarrelling here.....never seen u do that for a muslim state...but for a kaffir state u r all quarrelling ...pity...and whats this bout us being shameful???....it wasnt my fault but if u feel it was ours well then go ahead and hand urself our to scotland yard.....and have a happy life at quantanamo.....
daywalker
Junior Member
loooooooool again a statistic. then with whom you want to be united? with christians and jews? it seems so. and if not, you also dont believe in unity.
a side of the whole statistic, i wanna ask you how many muslim left from your statistic?
salaam alikom
The thread is closed, till we have facts, we are assuming things and Non of us have the full story yet!
We dont ever understand the meaning of Quran the prophet peace be up on him was harmed more than once and if he wanted he would just make one Duaa and the non Muslim would be destroyed but still we dont think with our mind or what Islam tell us but we think with our heart.
If you want to know the opinion of Islam we should ask a shiekh who have a knowledge , or state your opinion with a knowledge of Islam and its teaching.
We dont even know how many Muslims and innocent people died in this incident but we still started the blaming game. For some please read this verse and if you cant read it in Arabic I think its better we should learn and understand Quran first before stating OUR opinion
Its surrah Maedah verses 33
this video was posted in one of the threads I am re posting it here.
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Wa salaam alikom
The thread is closed, till we have facts, we are assuming things and Non of us have the full story yet!
We dont ever understand the meaning of Quran the prophet peace be up on him was harmed more than once and if he wanted he would just make one Duaa and the non Muslim would be destroyed but still we dont think with our mind or what Islam tell us but we think with our heart.
If you want to know the opinion of Islam we should ask a shiekh who have a knowledge , or state your opinion with a knowledge of Islam and its teaching.
We dont even know how many Muslims and innocent people died in this incident but we still started the blaming game. For some please read this verse and if you cant read it in Arabic I think its better we should learn and understand Quran first before stating OUR opinion
إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ذَلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
Its surrah Maedah verses 33
this video was posted in one of the threads I am re posting it here.
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Wa salaam alikom
Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Killing any innocent person is wrong, we condemn it because We are Muslims.
Muslims are the people who are the Most Just and with the biggest hearts.
As for our dear sister Palestine's comments. I understand them totally. She is angry, because of the hate and violence that Muslims recieve.
She is a really good sister as are a lot of the great members of our website. We need not to make things worse, but better by understanding and giving advice in a good way. Rather than jumping up and down pointing and fighting with our fellow Muslims.
We already have enough people doing that already!
I do not think people should rush to judge her or any Muslim. We need to understand the anger and the reasons behind it... and also, we need to excuse people for things that they say when they are upset.
How can we not be upset when our Brothers and sisters are murdered, tortured and raped throughout the world, from Kashmir, Chechnya, Iraq, through to Palestine?
Then, when there is an incident such as 9/11, Beslan, or what is happening in India, all the fingers point to Muslims and people accuse Muslims as being the big villains.
We are sick and tired of that. We do not apologise for anything, because WE MUSLIMS, have done nothing wrong.
Muslims have the most patience. If only people were to spend time reading about the history and problems in the world, they would understand this.
Islam does not allow for unjust revenge. So, killing of anyone in an unjust manner is forbidden.
Why Angry Protests? Islam Does Not Condone Violence and Calls for Patience!
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=261541
Killing any innocent person is wrong, we condemn it because We are Muslims.
Muslims are the people who are the Most Just and with the biggest hearts.
As for our dear sister Palestine's comments. I understand them totally. She is angry, because of the hate and violence that Muslims recieve.
She is a really good sister as are a lot of the great members of our website. We need not to make things worse, but better by understanding and giving advice in a good way. Rather than jumping up and down pointing and fighting with our fellow Muslims.
We already have enough people doing that already!
I do not think people should rush to judge her or any Muslim. We need to understand the anger and the reasons behind it... and also, we need to excuse people for things that they say when they are upset.
How can we not be upset when our Brothers and sisters are murdered, tortured and raped throughout the world, from Kashmir, Chechnya, Iraq, through to Palestine?
Then, when there is an incident such as 9/11, Beslan, or what is happening in India, all the fingers point to Muslims and people accuse Muslims as being the big villains.
We are sick and tired of that. We do not apologise for anything, because WE MUSLIMS, have done nothing wrong.
Muslims have the most patience. If only people were to spend time reading about the history and problems in the world, they would understand this.
Islam does not allow for unjust revenge. So, killing of anyone in an unjust manner is forbidden.
Why Angry Protests? Islam Does Not Condone Violence and Calls for Patience!
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=261541
assalamu alaykum
This following Quote is from some website where they post ignorant and negative statements about Muslims:
These people then continue to use foul language and more ignorance about Islam and Muslims. Including an Indian who laments the destruction of a building which is ironically named after a building built by a Muslim.
Obviously, they totally take everything out of context. Nobody praised the attacks and we have expressed condemnation of this and any unjustice.
But, I must say to my brothers and sisters to make sure they write clearly and not merely through anger and emotions. Most people do not know or even care about what happens to Muslims. They do not know the double standards and hypocricy..
That Muslims are abused, murdered, kidnapped, executed and raped by non-Muslims in India such as in Kashmir, by the Indian army.... and thus, people feel upset when all fingers are suddenly pointed at them for the actions of a handful of people who do not represent them at all.
we do not say that these actions are justified at all, its not and it is against Islam. infact, we do not even know who these people were!
What these ignorant people fail to understand is difference between being against something and being apologetic. - Muslims have no need to apologise for something, just as any people can not be blamed for what anyone supposedly does in their name.
I wrote the following message in the first thread and will here too:
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WEBSITE ADMINISTRATOR (MABSOOT) WRITES: PLEASE NOTE!!! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
1. APOLOGISING
and 2. CONDEMNING....
Muslims Condemn all acts of violence and injustice no matter who the perpetrators are! This is a given. But, we do not need to apologise !
If you are a Christian or a Jew reading this thread, ask yourself if you feel the need to take a microphone and APOLOGISE each time someone does something in the name of your faith?? Such as the Lords Resistance Army in Africa, or the KKK etc??
Likewise, Muslims feel no need to Apologise for something that does not reflect them or their Religion.
Kashmir Massacres carried out by Indian Govt.-Brief History
For further Independent Documentation of the human Rights abuses (rape, torture, kidnapping and murder) carried out by Indian Army against Muslims in Kashmir please see here, the Human Rights Watch Website:
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1999/kashmir/
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Given these complex issues, people can see the sensitivities in having to apologise simply for being Muslims. It is nonsensical and unjust to ask for that. Those who do the crimes are the ones who should apologise and face the punishment.
Here is link about real terrorism, which many overlook and forget!
Real Terrorism is the STATE TERRORISM
Here is the truth about Islam and the allegations that ignorant people make:
Terrorism Not From Islam
This following Quote is from some website where they post ignorant and negative statements about Muslims:
These people then continue to use foul language and more ignorance about Islam and Muslims. Including an Indian who laments the destruction of a building which is ironically named after a building built by a Muslim.
Obviously, they totally take everything out of context. Nobody praised the attacks and we have expressed condemnation of this and any unjustice.
But, I must say to my brothers and sisters to make sure they write clearly and not merely through anger and emotions. Most people do not know or even care about what happens to Muslims. They do not know the double standards and hypocricy..
That Muslims are abused, murdered, kidnapped, executed and raped by non-Muslims in India such as in Kashmir, by the Indian army.... and thus, people feel upset when all fingers are suddenly pointed at them for the actions of a handful of people who do not represent them at all.
we do not say that these actions are justified at all, its not and it is against Islam. infact, we do not even know who these people were!
What these ignorant people fail to understand is difference between being against something and being apologetic. - Muslims have no need to apologise for something, just as any people can not be blamed for what anyone supposedly does in their name.
I wrote the following message in the first thread and will here too:
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WEBSITE ADMINISTRATOR (MABSOOT) WRITES: PLEASE NOTE!!! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
1. APOLOGISING
and 2. CONDEMNING....
Muslims Condemn all acts of violence and injustice no matter who the perpetrators are! This is a given. But, we do not need to apologise !
If you are a Christian or a Jew reading this thread, ask yourself if you feel the need to take a microphone and APOLOGISE each time someone does something in the name of your faith?? Such as the Lords Resistance Army in Africa, or the KKK etc??
Likewise, Muslims feel no need to Apologise for something that does not reflect them or their Religion.
Kashmir Massacres carried out by Indian Govt.-Brief History
For further Independent Documentation of the human Rights abuses (rape, torture, kidnapping and murder) carried out by Indian Army against Muslims in Kashmir please see here, the Human Rights Watch Website:
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1999/kashmir/
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Given these complex issues, people can see the sensitivities in having to apologise simply for being Muslims. It is nonsensical and unjust to ask for that. Those who do the crimes are the ones who should apologise and face the punishment.
Here is link about real terrorism, which many overlook and forget!
Real Terrorism is the STATE TERRORISM
Here is the truth about Islam and the allegations that ignorant people make:
Terrorism Not From Islam
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