Islam!!yay
Junior Member
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Do Sunnis believe in a mahdi?
Do Sunnis believe in a mahdi?
Should we believe in a Mahdi ?
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ShyHijabi
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xSharingan01x
TraVeLer
:salam2:
Our belief in Mahdi is different from that of Shia.
As far as I know they believe that one of their Imam was Mahdi, and right now he is in 'hiding'.
Thanks for the link. I've read Ibn Kathir's book which has a section about Mahdi but then it is refreshing to know the details of scholarly opinions. I wasn't aware these hadeeths were considered 'mutawaatir'
Our belief in Mahdi is different from that of Shia.
As far as I know they believe that one of their Imam was Mahdi, and right now he is in 'hiding'.
Thanks for the link. I've read Ibn Kathir's book which has a section about Mahdi but then it is refreshing to know the details of scholarly opinions. I wasn't aware these hadeeths were considered 'mutawaatir'
xSharingan01x
TraVeLer
:salam2:
You sure you're not getting the hadeeth of Imam Mahdi confused and mix with the referance about '12' or '9' Khalifas?
I could be wrong, as far as I know what you said is not correct. Allahu Alam.
Can some one clarify this please.
slaveofAllah88
Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o alikum
it angers me how ppl keep on bringing up shia and sunni ... Wat it says in Quran and Hadith thats Islam not shia sunni
it angers me how ppl keep on bringing up shia and sunni ... Wat it says in Quran and Hadith thats Islam not shia sunni
nyerekareem
abdur-rahman
:salam2:
i understand what you mean brother, but sometimes there are differences that the shia have that are contradictory to the concept of tawheed, and at times those things need to be mentioned. you are right in saying that all we need to follow is the qur'an and the sunnah; but the shia don't really follow the hadith, they follow their imams. they are muslims, but they are misguided and we muslims that follow the quran and the sunnah have to distance ourselves from that aspect of shi'ism that is of misguidance.
ShyHijabi
Junior Member
Salaam,
While the name "Shia" was never mentioned in the Quran (as they did not exist yet) there was plenty of mention that there would be many deviated sects. We cannot say we are all the same just because we say we are Muslim. If one worship Ali (ra) and says that one can define the nature of Allah, if one does not submit to the laws of the Quran and instead allows their "Imams" to redefine the law...then they are deviated.
There have been deviants that have not stopped at that but even declare that they themselves are Allah. :astag: But will tell you in full confidence they are Muslim. Simply saying something does not make it true.
Wasalaam
Mehdi, Yes sunnis do beleive in him. There will be furious wars after his arrival but muslims will get victory in those. This subject requires another dedicated thread (which needs not to be moderated)
Brother XsharinganX, what do you think about going over it? Since you have been hitting naills on the head these days
. How much time you practice every day?
Brother XsharinganX, what do you think about going over it? Since you have been hitting naills on the head these days
. How much time you practice every day?
Asja
Pearl of Islaam
:salam2:
Our belief in Mahdi is different from that of Shia.
As far as I know they believe that one of their Imam was Mahdi, and right now he is in 'hiding'.
Thanks for the link. I've read Ibn Kathir's book which has a section about Mahdi but then it is refreshing to know the details of scholarly opinions. I wasn't aware these hadeeths were considered 'mutawaatir'
Assalamu Alleicumu dear brother.
Can you please give us authentic source where "they" (our brothers and sisters) say that Imam al Mahdi (peace be upon him)is "hiding" somwhere Atagfirullah???
And if you do not have source about that brother,it will be better that you refrain your selfe from giving your own opinion becasue we should be very carefull with saying something for waht we are not sure,Inshallah.
May Allah bless you.
Salam.
Asja
Pearl of Islaam
:salam2:
Hadiths that are saying about arival of Imam Al Mahdi(peace be upon him) can be devided in three groups:
-authentical hadiths
-week hadiths
- false and fiction hadiths
The reason of existing false hadith about Imam Al Mahdi(peace be upon him) are in the existing of many fractions in Islamic societes and in the claim of the many founders of that same fractions how they are those expected Imam al Mahdis.
That has brought to false hadiths because everyone false Al Mahdi wanted to gain many people.
From Abdullah Ibn Mesut r.a is narating that Prophet Mohammed s.a.v.s. said:"It will not desepier dunya untill began to rule man from my family.He will call him selfe like me".
In the onother hadith it says:"If on this world would stay only one day,Allah would exstend that day,so how He could send on that day a man from my family;His name will be like mine,and his father will call himslefe like mine.The earth will be fullifiled with justice like it as fullfilled with injustice and violence".
From Abu-Sayda Al-Hudriya,r.a. is narating that Prophet Mohammed s.a.v.s. said:"It will be pleased inhabitant of Earth and Heaven".
"It wont be nothing plant in earth and that it wont grow from it......."
May Allah bless you all.
Salam.
Hadiths that are saying about arival of Imam Al Mahdi(peace be upon him) can be devided in three groups:
-authentical hadiths
-week hadiths
- false and fiction hadiths
The reason of existing false hadith about Imam Al Mahdi(peace be upon him) are in the existing of many fractions in Islamic societes and in the claim of the many founders of that same fractions how they are those expected Imam al Mahdis.
That has brought to false hadiths because everyone false Al Mahdi wanted to gain many people.
From Abdullah Ibn Mesut r.a is narating that Prophet Mohammed s.a.v.s. said:"It will not desepier dunya untill began to rule man from my family.He will call him selfe like me".
In the onother hadith it says:"If on this world would stay only one day,Allah would exstend that day,so how He could send on that day a man from my family;His name will be like mine,and his father will call himslefe like mine.The earth will be fullifiled with justice like it as fullfilled with injustice and violence".
From Abu-Sayda Al-Hudriya,r.a. is narating that Prophet Mohammed s.a.v.s. said:"It will be pleased inhabitant of Earth and Heaven".
"It wont be nothing plant in earth and that it wont grow from it......."
May Allah bless you all.
Salam.
Asja
Pearl of Islaam
Assalamu Alleicumu dear brother/sister.
I aplogise dear brother/sister but I wold only like to said that when we are mentioning Imam al Mahdi we should say peace be upon him,and we need to have respection towerd him Alhdmulillah.
And we are not going to "descover anythng",neaither we will find some one who is "hiding" Astafirullah,only Allah knows all secrets and it will be how Allah wants and Allah knows the best.
May Allah bless you.
Salam.
assalamu alaykum,
Please search the website before asking question as it just repeating things:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2923
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5524
The Mehdi - The Reviver of Islam - Abu Usaamah Adhahabi - www.turntoislam.mp3 (7.29 MB, 359 views)
Open Questions & Answers Session - Abu Usamah Adhahabi - www.turntoislam.com -.mp3 (4.31 MB, 119 views)
Please search the website before asking question as it just repeating things:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2923
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5524
The Mehdi - The Reviver of Islam - Abu Usaamah Adhahabi - www.turntoislam.mp3 (7.29 MB, 359 views)
Open Questions & Answers Session - Abu Usamah Adhahabi - www.turntoislam.com -.mp3 (4.31 MB, 119 views)
dna1987
Muslim Guy
I just bolded that part sister ShyHijabi because of the following:
Listen to Surah 37 (Noah), Verse 83 on quranexplorer.com/quran in Arabic (Below are Dr. Mohsin's translation - his are great!
)And, verily, among those who followed his [Nûh's (Noah)] way (Islâmic Monotheism) was Ibrâhim (Abraham). (Quran 37:83)
That's the English translation. The word "shia" is used there though to describe Prophet Abraham as a "follower" of Prophet Noah.
Also, you can listen to Surah 28, Verse 15.
And he entered the city at a time of unawareness of its people, and he found there two men fighting, - one of his party (his religion - from the Children of Israel), and the other of his foes. The man of his (own) party asked him for help against his foe, so Mûsa (Moses) struck him with his fist and killed him. He said: "This is of Shaitân's (Satan) doing, verily, he is a plain misleading enemy." (15)
I underlined two parts where the word "shia" is used again (in the Quran). That's all. I kept the rest of your quote however, so everyone can still see the rest of what you wrote. Assalam alaikum.
assalamu alaykum,
as for those who call themselves Shia today, we should call them the "Raafidah", this is the description that the great scholars of the past (Such as Imam Ahmad or Imam Abu Hanifa) and present would use. Raafidah means the Rejectors. For they reject a lot of the things from Islam and they follow their own ideas. They not only doubt the Quran and give their own twisted meanings, but they disbelieve in almost all of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad
and hence, in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad . The worst thing they do, is the Shirk and Kufr, when they ask others, besides Allah for help and assistance. They believe their 12 Imams have knowledge of the past and future and that they can assist them in all matters.
as for those who call themselves Shia today, we should call them the "Raafidah", this is the description that the great scholars of the past (Such as Imam Ahmad or Imam Abu Hanifa) and present would use. Raafidah means the Rejectors. For they reject a lot of the things from Islam and they follow their own ideas. They not only doubt the Quran and give their own twisted meanings, but they disbelieve in almost all of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad
and hence, in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad . The worst thing they do, is the Shirk and Kufr, when they ask others, besides Allah for help and assistance. They believe their 12 Imams have knowledge of the past and future and that they can assist them in all matters.
slaveofAllah88
Slave of Allah (swt)
:salam2:
1st of all a lil apology i do admit i get a lil frustated when ppl start mentionining sunni shia cuz it feels like we r being divided thru those 2 words, but sister Shyhijabi is right sometimes it needs to be mentioned But i think we should all try to refer ourselves as muslim unless necessary
to the question brother i found this online with hadiths hope it help, also the link is at the end and the page is filled with information on the signs of Qiyamah
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HADEETH ON THE EMERGENCE OF IMAAM MADHI
Hadhrat Umme Salmah (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madina) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him. Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.
On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imaam Madhi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain alive till seven years (since his emergence).
He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat. (Abu Dawood)
According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa (A.S.) will lead the Janazah Salaat of Imaam Madhi (A.S.) While the people will be pledging their allegiance to Imaam Mahdi, a voice from the unseen will call out "This is the representative of Allah, The Mahdi, listen to him and obey him’
This announcement which will be heard by all those present will establish his authenticity. Another sign which will indicate the authenticity of Imaam Mahdi will be that in the Ramadhaan prior to his emergence an eclipse of the sun and the moon will occur.
Once his emergence is well known, Muslim armies, as well as Muslims and saints from Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Madina and elsewhere as well as a large number of Arabs will all present themselves before the Imaam and pledge their allegiance to him.
One person from Khurasaan will prepare a huge army and despatch them towards Makkah with the intention of assisting Imaam Madhi. The leader of this army will be a person by the name of Mansoor. Enroute this army will encounter many enemies which it will overpower.
The army of the Sufyaani from Shaam will single out Imaam Mahdi for attack because Imaam Madhi will be from amongst the descendants of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). This army will be swallowed into the ground and a second army will be prepared which will consist of eighty groups, with twelve thousand men in each group, bringing the total of all to nine hundred and sixty thousand men.
IMAAM MAHDI’S NAME
The term Madhi is a title meaning "the guided one".
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Mas’ood (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "This world will not come to an end until one person from my progeny does not rule over the Arabs, and his name will be the same as my name". (Tirmidhi)
Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, Just as it initially was filled with oppression".
(Abu Dawood)
HIS FEATURES
Hadhrat Abu Saeed khudri (R.A.) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years.
Other ahadeeth informs us that:
He will be tall;
He will be fair complexioned,
His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam);
His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam):
His father’s name will be Abdullah;
His mother’s name will be Aamina;
He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh:
His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years:
He will receive Knowledge from Allah.
Hadhrat Buraidah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be many armies after me. You must join that a my will come from Khurasaan". (Ibn Adi)
Abu Hurairah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from khurasaan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas) where they will erect their flags". (Tirmidhi)
According to a Hadeeth narrated by Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "...(regarding the rule of Imaam Mahdi) the skies will rain down in abundance and the earth will yield forth its crop in abundance, and those alive will desire that those who have already passed away should have been alive to enjoy this prosperity.)" (Mustadrak)
Auf bin Malik (R.A.) says: "I came to Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) while he was in his skin tent, during the Tabuk expedition. He said to me, "Count six things before the advent of Qiyamah:
My death;
The conquest of Jerusalem;
Mass deaths amongst you people, just as when sheep die in large numbers during an epidemic;
Abundance of wealth to such an extent that if a person were to be given hundred Dinars he will still not be satisfied;
General anarchy and bloodshed, that no Arab household will be spared from it;
Then a life of peace as result of a peace agreement between you and the Banil Asfaar (Romans) which they will break and attack you with a force consisting of eighty flags and under each flag will be an army of twelve thousand men. (Bukhari)
Zi Mukhbir (R.A.) (the brother of Najashi) says: "I myself heard Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) say that you will enter into a total peace agreement with the Romans, then together you will attack your (common) enemy and you will be victorious. You will receive the spoils of war and while you will be stationed at a certain place, a Christian will rise from the army and say that "The cross has triumphed". In reply a Muslim will stand up and break the cross, causing the Christians to breach the peace agreement. A fierce battle will then ensue. (Abu Dawood)
Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "He behind whom Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Salaat will be from my progeny". (Abu Nuaim)
Hadhrat Abu Umamah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Haroon (A.S.) and will be upheld for seven years".
The people asked: "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) who will be the Imaam of the people at the time"? Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "He will be from my progeny and will be forty years of age. His face will shine like a star and he will have a black spot on his left cheek. He will don two Qutwaani cloaks and will appear exactly as a person from the Bani lsraeel..." (Tabrani)
Abu Nadhrah says: "We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: "Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food, (grain) nor any money". We asked: "Why would such a thing happen"? He replied: "Because of the non-Arabs". (i.e. they will prevent it from going into Iraq).
He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (Syria) will neither receive any money nor any grain". We asked as to why this would happen"? He replied: "Because of the Romans...(Christians)" (Muslim)
Other Ahadeeth inform us that:
After his emergence in Makkah, Imaam Mahdi will proceed to Madina Munawwarah where he will present himself before the grave of Our Beloved Nabi;
Thereafter he will proceed to Shaam (Syria) and as he enters Damascus he will be confronted by a massive Christian army;
Thereafter one third of Imaam Mahdi’s army will flee, while one third will become martyred and one third while attain victory;
Imaam Mahdi will then establish his rule and dispatch an army of seventy thousand men to conquer Constantinople (present-day Istanbul).
As this army will approach the huge wall which surrounds the city they will exclaim Allahu Akbar" causing the entire wall to come tumbling down; They will then enter the city and after a battle take it over and establish Muslim rule there;
Imaam Mahdi will then return towards Shaam and enroute establish Muslim Rule over all the areas which he passes.
By the time he reaches Shaam, news of the emergence of Dajjal will be received.
http://www.muslimaccess.com/ebooks/signs_of_qiyamah.asp#signs
1st of all a lil apology i do admit i get a lil frustated when ppl start mentionining sunni shia cuz it feels like we r being divided thru those 2 words, but sister Shyhijabi is right sometimes it needs to be mentioned But i think we should all try to refer ourselves as muslim unless necessary
to the question brother i found this online with hadiths hope it help, also the link is at the end and the page is filled with information on the signs of Qiyamah
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
HADEETH ON THE EMERGENCE OF IMAAM MADHI
Hadhrat Umme Salmah (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madina) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him. Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.
On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imaam Madhi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain alive till seven years (since his emergence).
He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat. (Abu Dawood)
According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa (A.S.) will lead the Janazah Salaat of Imaam Madhi (A.S.) While the people will be pledging their allegiance to Imaam Mahdi, a voice from the unseen will call out "This is the representative of Allah, The Mahdi, listen to him and obey him’
This announcement which will be heard by all those present will establish his authenticity. Another sign which will indicate the authenticity of Imaam Mahdi will be that in the Ramadhaan prior to his emergence an eclipse of the sun and the moon will occur.
Once his emergence is well known, Muslim armies, as well as Muslims and saints from Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Madina and elsewhere as well as a large number of Arabs will all present themselves before the Imaam and pledge their allegiance to him.
One person from Khurasaan will prepare a huge army and despatch them towards Makkah with the intention of assisting Imaam Madhi. The leader of this army will be a person by the name of Mansoor. Enroute this army will encounter many enemies which it will overpower.
The army of the Sufyaani from Shaam will single out Imaam Mahdi for attack because Imaam Madhi will be from amongst the descendants of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam). This army will be swallowed into the ground and a second army will be prepared which will consist of eighty groups, with twelve thousand men in each group, bringing the total of all to nine hundred and sixty thousand men.
IMAAM MAHDI’S NAME
The term Madhi is a title meaning "the guided one".
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Mas’ood (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "This world will not come to an end until one person from my progeny does not rule over the Arabs, and his name will be the same as my name". (Tirmidhi)
Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, Just as it initially was filled with oppression".
(Abu Dawood)
HIS FEATURES
Hadhrat Abu Saeed khudri (R.A.) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years.
Other ahadeeth informs us that:
He will be tall;
He will be fair complexioned,
His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam);
His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam):
His father’s name will be Abdullah;
His mother’s name will be Aamina;
He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh:
His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years:
He will receive Knowledge from Allah.
Hadhrat Buraidah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be many armies after me. You must join that a my will come from Khurasaan". (Ibn Adi)
Abu Hurairah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from khurasaan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas) where they will erect their flags". (Tirmidhi)
According to a Hadeeth narrated by Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "...(regarding the rule of Imaam Mahdi) the skies will rain down in abundance and the earth will yield forth its crop in abundance, and those alive will desire that those who have already passed away should have been alive to enjoy this prosperity.)" (Mustadrak)
Auf bin Malik (R.A.) says: "I came to Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) while he was in his skin tent, during the Tabuk expedition. He said to me, "Count six things before the advent of Qiyamah:
My death;
The conquest of Jerusalem;
Mass deaths amongst you people, just as when sheep die in large numbers during an epidemic;
Abundance of wealth to such an extent that if a person were to be given hundred Dinars he will still not be satisfied;
General anarchy and bloodshed, that no Arab household will be spared from it;
Then a life of peace as result of a peace agreement between you and the Banil Asfaar (Romans) which they will break and attack you with a force consisting of eighty flags and under each flag will be an army of twelve thousand men. (Bukhari)
Zi Mukhbir (R.A.) (the brother of Najashi) says: "I myself heard Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) say that you will enter into a total peace agreement with the Romans, then together you will attack your (common) enemy and you will be victorious. You will receive the spoils of war and while you will be stationed at a certain place, a Christian will rise from the army and say that "The cross has triumphed". In reply a Muslim will stand up and break the cross, causing the Christians to breach the peace agreement. A fierce battle will then ensue. (Abu Dawood)
Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "He behind whom Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Salaat will be from my progeny". (Abu Nuaim)
Hadhrat Abu Umamah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Haroon (A.S.) and will be upheld for seven years".
The people asked: "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) who will be the Imaam of the people at the time"? Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "He will be from my progeny and will be forty years of age. His face will shine like a star and he will have a black spot on his left cheek. He will don two Qutwaani cloaks and will appear exactly as a person from the Bani lsraeel..." (Tabrani)
Abu Nadhrah says: "We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: "Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food, (grain) nor any money". We asked: "Why would such a thing happen"? He replied: "Because of the non-Arabs". (i.e. they will prevent it from going into Iraq).
He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (Syria) will neither receive any money nor any grain". We asked as to why this would happen"? He replied: "Because of the Romans...(Christians)" (Muslim)
Other Ahadeeth inform us that:
After his emergence in Makkah, Imaam Mahdi will proceed to Madina Munawwarah where he will present himself before the grave of Our Beloved Nabi;
Thereafter he will proceed to Shaam (Syria) and as he enters Damascus he will be confronted by a massive Christian army;
Thereafter one third of Imaam Mahdi’s army will flee, while one third will become martyred and one third while attain victory;
Imaam Mahdi will then establish his rule and dispatch an army of seventy thousand men to conquer Constantinople (present-day Istanbul).
As this army will approach the huge wall which surrounds the city they will exclaim Allahu Akbar" causing the entire wall to come tumbling down; They will then enter the city and after a battle take it over and establish Muslim rule there;
Imaam Mahdi will then return towards Shaam and enroute establish Muslim Rule over all the areas which he passes.
By the time he reaches Shaam, news of the emergence of Dajjal will be received.
http://www.muslimaccess.com/ebooks/signs_of_qiyamah.asp#signs
Are they really 'their' 12 Imams?
Weren't the 12 so called Imams just descendents of the Prophet Muhammad (s) who were righteous - they all happened to be murdered in some sort of way too, correct me if Im wrong, I cant say I took this from a reliable source of info.
Just because they may give the 12 Imams false attributes which only belong to Allah, doesnt give them greater ownership of this aspect of Islamic history.
daywalker
Junior Member
THe word "Shia" is mentioned in quran. it means 'follower', 'associate' or 'faction'. So does the word shia has nothing to do with the belief of "shia".
Examples in quran like :
37:83 وَإِنَّ مِنْ شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ
Wainna min sheeAAatihi laibraheema Verily among those who followed his Way was Abraham.
وَلَقَدْ أَهْلَكْنَا أَشْيَاعَكُمْ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِر54:51ٍ Walaqad ahlakna ashyaAAakum fahal min muddakirin
And verily We have destroyed your fellows; but is there any that remembereth?
SO the title isn´t a big deal. By picking a word from quran and claiming to be it, its nonsense.
:salam2:
We do not believe in the "imamate", but I understand what you are saying. You are right. But, we need be careful.
Ali, Hassan, Hussein, Zainulabideen, and all the pious righteous people they call their Imams have nothing to do with their beliefs. Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, Ali and all the Ahlul Bayt and Sahaba are ours!
Just as all the PRophets sent to mankind from Allah Subhana wa ta'ala are ours. So the Jews (the Uncles of the Raafidah, as the Raafidah originate from a Jew who wanted destroy Islam) make claim to the biblical Prophets, but those were all Muslims who called to Tawheed, to Islam.
So, yes sister they are ours , but I meant to say their 12 meaning the concept.
Allah forgive me for any mistakes. You are right They deserve NOTHING. Just as all the enemies of Islam who make claim over Allah and Allah's land Deserve NOTHING from the rights of the Muslims.
Unlike the rawafidah we do not claim them to be "infallible",
Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) divided the Imams of the Ithna ‘Ashari Shi’ah into four categories:
1 – ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, al-Hasan and al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with them). They are noble Sahaabah and no one doubts their virtue and leadership, but many others shared with them the virtue of being companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and among the Sahaabah there are others who were more virtuous than them, based on saheeh evidence from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
2 – ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-Baaqir, Ja’far ibn Muhammad al-Saadiq and Moosa ibn Ja’far. They are among the trustworthy and reliable scholars. Manhaaj al-Sunnah (2/243, 244).
3 – ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah.
Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge. Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387).
4 – Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-‘Askari al-Muntazar (the awaited one). He did not exist at all, as stated above.
What is the position on the 12 Imams of the Shia, especiallt the later ones?.