plz help me....what should i say?

[allah is with me]

:salam2: brothers and sisters...
well, brother i was seeing a video in youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLh549knKY), in this video d.r zakir naik said that isa (a.s.) will come back but not as a prophet instead as a ummah of our prophet muhammad(S.A.W)..so, for this many of them said that d.r.zakir naik has said false statement ..to this i said that d.r. zakir naik is right..so for this, on my friend asked me...
'So, you mean that he will be DEMOTED? If so then can you tell me that on what account & at what crime/sin he will be demoted?

If the Jesus to come among the Muslims was NOT to be a Prophet (without new teachings) then why 4 TIMES Prophet Muhammad (saw) termed him as "Prophet of Allah" in a single hadith of Sahiah Muslim?'..

i dont know what to answer ...plz help me....plz

 

[Asja]

:salam2:

Dear sister I have never heared this statment from Dr Zakir Naik,but I must say that it is the wrong statment.

The comeing of Issa s.a.w.s has been announced in Holy Quran,where Allah subahn we teal sais that he (Issa a.s) will come and everyone will belive in him like a Allah Prophet s.a.w.s.,and not like his son Astagfirullah like Christian call him.

And there are also many others proofs that Issa a.s will come like Allah Prophet a.s

 

[mufakkir]

:salam2:

Dear sister I have never heared this statment from Dr Zakir Naik,but I must say that it is the wrong statment.

The comeing of Issa s.a.w.s has been announced in Holy Quran,where Allah subahn we teal sais that he (Issa a.s) will come and everyone will belive in him like a Allah Prophet s.a.w.s.,and not like his son Astagfirullah like Christian call him.

And there are also many others proofs that Issa a.s will come like Allah Prophet a.s

Salaam 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

Sisters in Islam, the statement of Dr. Zakir is CORRECT. However, perhaps he has not explained it in the best of ways. The second coming if 'Isa (alaihis salam) is confirmed from the Qur'an and Sunnah and is part of the 'Aqeeda of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah. However, the second coming of 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be in the capacity of Prophethood, i.e he will not be bringing any NEW religion or laws. Remember the are two kind of Messengers: Nabi and Rasool. A Nabi does not bring any new laws, but seeks to rectify the state of the people and bring them back the the worship of Allah alone. A Rasool on the other hand, does bring new laws. Musa, Dawud, Isa and Muhammad (Alaihimus Salaam) were all Rasools. As we know Muhammad (SallaAllah Alaihi wa Sallam) was the last and final messenger. There will be no Nabi or Rasool after him. If 'Isa (alaihis salaam) came back as a Nabi or Rasool, then that would seemingly contradict the Qur'an. Hence scholars past and present have said that 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be coming back in the capacity of a prophet, even though we know him to be the Prophet of Allah.

InshaAllah i hope this is clear.

WaAllahu A'lam.

was salaam

 

[allah is with me]

Salaam 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

Sisters in Islam, the statement of Dr. Zakir is CORRECT. However, perhaps he has not explained it in the best of ways. The second coming if 'Isa (alaihis salam) is confirmed from the Qur'an and Sunnah and is part of the 'Aqeeda of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah. However, the second coming of 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be in the capacity of Prophethood, i.e he will not be bringing any NEW religion or laws. Remember the are two kind of Messengers: Nabi and Rasool. A Nabi does not bring any new laws, but seeks to rectify the state of the people and bring them back the the worship of Allah alone. A Rasool on the other hand, does bring new laws. Musa, Dawud, Isa and Muhammad (Alaihimus Salaam) were all Rasools. As we know Muhammad (SallaAllah Alaihi wa Sallam) was the last and final messenger. There will be no Nabi or Rasool after him. If 'Isa (alaihis salaam) came back as a Nabi or Rasool, then that would seemingly contradict the Qur'an. Hence scholars past and present have said that 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be coming back in the capacity of a prophet, even though we know him to be the Prophet of Allah.

InshaAllah i hope this is clear.

WaAllahu A'lam.

was salaam

thankyou..thanks a lot..but do you think, that he (isa.a.s) will come down as a prophet?

 

[mufakkir]

thankyou..thanks a lot..but do you think, that he (isa.a.s) will come down as a prophet?

I'm not sure what you are asking! Of course he is the Prophet of Allah. That is his title and will always remain so. However, if you say that he will come back with a message and mission from Allah, then that (as far as i know) would be incorrect. I think the difficulty here is the title attached to the name. To put it simply, the title remains, we will recognise him as the 'Isa (alahis salaam) the PROPHET OF ALLAH. However, he will NOT be a new PROPHET in the sense that Allah will send him down to guide mankind. That part of his job has finished, but the title, if you like, has remained for honour and recognition's sake.

was salaam

 

[muslimda3ee]

:salam2: brothers and sisters...
well, brother i was seeing a video in youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLh549knKY), in this video d.r zakir naik said that isa (a.s.) will come back but not as a prophet instead as a ummah of our prophet muhammad(S.A.W)..so, for this many of them said that d.r.zakir naik has said false statement ..to this i said that d.r. zakir naik is right..so for this, on my friend asked me...
'So, you mean that he will be DEMOTED? If so then can you tell me that on what account & at what crime/sin he will be demoted?

If the Jesus to come among the Muslims was NOT to be a Prophet (without new teachings) then why 4 TIMES Prophet Muhammad (saw) termed him as "Prophet of Allah" in a single hadith of Sahiah Muslim?'..

i dont know what to answer ...plz help me....plz

:salam2:

There is no such thing as demoted when it comes to Allah and His messengers. Allah is held high above everything and the prophets are the chosen ones by Allah. They never get domoted, this is insane to think of.

This is play with words and sick thinking. The english language is limited as it is sometimes hard to find the right vocabulary to express what is said in Arabic. So some speakers try to pick the best words they can to express the message.

 

[Muslim18]

I'm not sure what you are asking! Of course he is the Prophet of Allah. That is his title and will always remain so. However, if you say that he will come back with a message and mission from Allah, then that (as far as i know) would be incorrect. I think the difficulty here is the title attached to the name. To put it simply, the title remains, we will recognise him as the 'Isa (alahis salaam) the PROPHET OF ALLAH. However, he will NOT be a new PROPHET in the sense that Allah will send him down to guide mankind. That part of his job has finished, but the title, if you like, has remained for honour and recognition's sake.

was salaam

Jaza kallahu khair nicely explained

There is a well known hadith where it said that every prophet prayed behind Prophet Muhammad (saw) in the night journey, which shows that all the prophets of Allah follow the final commandments and revelation from Allah and they too follow the way of our final prophet.

Prophet Isa came with his revelation to his people his second coming will not bring anything new rather he will come and clear up the misconceptions of him being a son of God :astag: and he will have to follow the shariah of the Prophet Muhammad because the religion has been completed and has been perfected for us.

Nice topic MashaAllah Zakir Naik just worded it different but its correct

 

[wannabe_muttaqi]

Assalamu Alaikum

:salam2: ,
I think you had asked the similar kind of question earlier as well.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57062

Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him), is still alive--in the (second) sky.. He will descend to earth before the Day of Judgment and his descent will be one of the great signs of the nearing of that Day. Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) informed us Isa (Peace be upon him) will descend to earth at a place on the eastern side of Damascus, with his hands on the wings of two angels. He will meet a group of Muslims getting ready to perform the Prayer, with the Mahdi as their Imam. The Mahdi will ask Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) to lead them in that prayer, however, Isa (Peace be upon him) will ask the Mahdi to stand imam for them--as a sign that Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him))will rule with the rules revealed to Prophet Muhammad. After this one time, Isa (Peace be upon him) will lead the people in prayers because he has a higher status than the Mahdi


After he descends, Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will rule the earth with the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him), the Shariah Muslims are ordered to follow until the Judgment Day. He will break the cross, kill the swine, and abolish the jizyah (compulsory payment by the People of the Book to the Muslim state), because in the rules of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) the jizyah is only applicable until the descent of Isa (Peace be upon him). He will kill the Dajjal, an ugly, evil blasphemer who claims himself as God, and who misleads many people to blaspheme. Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will perform Hajj and travel to visit the grave of the Prophet to salute him, and to greet him by saying, "As-salamu alaykum ya rasulAllah", as narrated by Abu Dawud at-Tayalisiyy and others.


During his time, the people of Ya'juj and Ma'juj will appear and cause great destruction to the earth and devastation to the Muslims. Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will take the believers to Mount at-Tur to supplicate Allah there to relieve them from these people. Allah will answer their dua' and destroy all the people of Ya'juj and Ma'juj. After that, Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will rule the Muslims and there will be a time when peace, comfort, and safety will prevail. Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will live for forty (40) years on earth after he descends. He will marry and have children. Then, he will die and be buried. Abdullah Ibn Salam said, "It is written in the original Torah that Prophet Isa (Peace be upon him) will be buried next to Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him)" (in the chamber of Bibi Aishah.)

 

[Asja]

Salaam 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

Sisters in Islam, the statement of Dr. Zakir is CORRECT. However, perhaps he has not explained it in the best of ways. The second coming if 'Isa (alaihis salam) is confirmed from the Qur'an and Sunnah and is part of the 'Aqeeda of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah. However, the second coming of 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be in the capacity of Prophethood, i.e he will not be bringing any NEW religion or laws. Remember the are two kind of Messengers: Nabi and Rasool. A Nabi does not bring any new laws, but seeks to rectify the state of the people and bring them back the the worship of Allah alone. A Rasool on the other hand, does bring new laws. Musa, Dawud, Isa and Muhammad (Alaihimus Salaam) were all Rasools. As we know Muhammad (SallaAllah Alaihi wa Sallam) was the last and final messenger. There will be no Nabi or Rasool after him. If 'Isa (alaihis salaam) came back as a Nabi or Rasool, then that would seemingly contradict the Qur'an. Hence scholars past and present have said that 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will not be coming back in the capacity of a prophet, even though we know him to be the Prophet of Allah.

InshaAllah i hope this is clear.

WaAllahu A'lam.

was salaam

:salam2:

Dear brother Issa a.s. will come as Prophet,but offcourse not with new mission because his mission will be the same like of other Prophets,and it is calling mainkinds towerd Islaam and beliving in One God.We can not say that he will not come like a Prophet and without any mission becasue that will aslo be incorect.issa s.a.w.s will returt on Earth before Day of Judgemnt like Allah subahn we teala we sais in Holy Quran"And He (Issa) is singn of Day Of Judgment.So with ayahs and haadith like a proof we can clearly see that Prophet Issa a.s. will come with Prophethood mission,but ofcourse not with new message.He will come back to finish his Prophethood mission to confirm Holy Quran like Last God Book and where all will belive that he is only Allah Messanger a.s.,and not like the Cristians called him.

So,it would be inncorect to say that He will not come like a Prophet and without Prophethood,because Issa s.a. will like a Prophet and with mission to finish his Prophethood.

I hope Inshallah,I could explain well.

And Allah knows the best.

May Allah bless you

 

[mufakkir]

:salam2:

Dear brother Issa a.s. will come as Prophet,but offcourse not with new mission because his mission will be the same like of other Prophets,and it is calling mainkinds towerd Islaam and beliving in One God.We can not say that he will not come like a Prophet and without any mission becasue that will aslo be incorect.issa s.a.w.s will returt on Earth before Day of Judgemnt like Allah subahn we teala we sais in Holy Quran"And He (Issa) is singn of Day Of Judgment.So with ayahs and haadith like a proof we can clearly see that Prophet Issa a.s. will come with Prophethood mission,but ofcourse not with new message.He will come back to finish his Prophethood mission to confirm Holy Quran like Last God Book and where all will belive that he is only Allah Messanger a.s.,and not like the Cristians called him.

So,it would be inncorect to say that He will not come like a Prophet and without Prophethood,because Issa s.a. will like a Prophet and with mission to finish his Prophethood.

I hope Inshallah,I could explain well.

And Allah knows the best.

May Allah bless you

Wa 'Alaikum Salaam

InshaAllah you are well. I do understand your point and believe its a matter of perspective. We know from many ahadith that one of the questions we will be asked when we die is, 'man nabiyyuk' (Who is your Prophet?). The pious scholars of Islam have explained that every person will need to answer with the name of the prophet to which his/her nation belongs. Thus, those during the time of Musa (alaihis salaam) will need to answer 'Musa'; those during the time of Yusuf, 'Yusuf' and so on. Since Muhammad (SallaAllahu Alaihi wa Salaam) is the last and final prophet, all, from his advent to the end of time, will need to answer with his name. This will not change (as far as i know) with the second coming of 'Isa (alaihis salaam), since he too belongs to the ummah (nation) of Muhammad. Were 'Isa (alaihis salaam) to come as a Prophet, it would seemingly contradict the Qur'an which clearly states that Muhammad (SallaAllahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) is the last and final prophet.
It is for such reasons, that the scholars of Islam, have explained that while 'Isa (alaihis salam) is a prophet of Allah, his second coming will not be in the capacity of prophethood. Readers should not understand from this that it is a kind of demoting, rather that he remains a RasoolAllah, but his second coming will not be in that capacity. Its a matter of perspective, i.e. he 'is' and 'will' be etc.
Yes you are right, 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will come to clarify the mistakes of the Christians and Jews, but also to fulfill the command of Allah, 'Kullu nafsin dha iqatul mawt' (Every soul shall taste death).

In any case, this is not something we should ponder about too much. I remember a great statement of Imaam al Qurtubi on a similar matter. In the well known verse of the Trumpet (Wa nufikah fis soor. Fa sa'iqa man fis samawati wal ard, illa man sha Allah): When the trumpet shall be blown, everything in heaven and earth shall swoon away, except whom Allah wills (cant remember the ayaah reference!). Scholars debated as to who is the exception as indicated in the verse. Some said it was the angels, some said, hoor al 'ayn, some said the prophets, some said this and some said that. Imaam al Qurtubi (RahimahuAllah) said a beautiful thing. He said; 'The truth is that there is no evidence to support any particular viewpoint, and they all could be correct. However, we should not dwell on the matter too much for WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, and that is that WE (general human beings) ARE NOT AMONGST THEM (i.e. we are not the execption).

InshaAllah this is similar. We know what we need to know, and that is that 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will come again.

WaAllahu A'lam

was salaam

 

[Asja]

Wa 'Alaikum Salaam

InshaAllah you are well. I do understand your point and believe its a matter of perspective.

InshaAllah this is similar. We know what we need to know, and that is that 'Isa (alaihis salaam) will come again.

WaAllahu A'lam

was salaam

:salam2:

I am fine Alhamdulillah,InshAllah you are fine too.

I agree with you dear brother.

May Allah bless you:tti_sister: