Why close my thread ?

[Islam!!yay]

:salam2:


I opened Michael Jackson Passed Away thread and then it was closed. I'd like to know the reason why it was closed. Thank You!

 

[ShyHijabi]

Salaam,

Maybe because it didn't have anything to do with Islam or clearing up the misconceptions surrounding Islam? Just a guess but that would be mine.

 

[OsMaN_93]

I think it's because it was (well I felt) going to lead many to debate wether he died Muslim or not.

Also I agree with what the sister above me said.

wa salam alikom

 

[Mabsoot]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

One of the moderators closed it,

I think that its better not to speculate whether a person is Muslim or not, inshaAllaah we wait till we know the facts from his family.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

 

[Asja]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh


I think that its better not to speculate whether a person is Muslim or not, inshaAllaah we wait till we know the facts from his family.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

It is not just to say "it is better not to speculate whether a person is Muslim or not when we talk about Michael J, but it just fine and acceptable to say that all Shia Muslims are Rafhidas, Asstagfirullah and by that all of them are unbelievers. Like for example you once mentioned brother in one of yours many replys:

"as for those who call themselves Shia today, we should call them the "Raafidah", this is the description that the great scholars of the past (Such as Imam Ahmad or Imam Abu Hanifa) and present would use. Raafidah means the Rejectors. For they reject a lot of the things from Islam and they follow their own ideas. They not only doubt the Quran and give their own twisted meanings, but they disbelieve in almost all of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad and hence, in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad . The worst thing they do, is the Shirk and Kufr, when they ask others, besides Allah for help and assistance. They believe their 12 Imams have knowledge of the past and future and that they can assist them in all matters.".

This mean brother that if the rule is one we can not apply it on diffrent ways only becouse subjects of the case are different. May Allah put mercy in our hearts. Ameen.

If Michael J. died as a Muslim may Allahs mercy be upon Him and Allah is mercifull toward his honest servantes.

May Allah guide us all to the right path and may we do everything only to please Allah, SubhanaLLAH.

 

[Mabsoot]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

Jazaki Allaahu Khayr sister Asja, that quote reminds us of the disbelief of the Raafidah. - An individiual Raafidi, we can not judge, but, if that raafidi has the same beliefs as the sect they belong, then they are not believers. i.e. they say and do the disbelief of Raafidah.(which you placed kindly in your post)

Its interesting, its kinda linked to this, the Jews, (the cousins of the Raafidah) hated him much, and made many fabricated stories about him, just as the dispicable Raafidah do the same with the greatest Muslims of all, the companions of the Prophet Muhammad

I never heard or saw Michael Jackson do Shirk, nor kufr.. Nor did he curse any of the Sahaba, nor did he go into exaggeration of any of the Muslims, Michael Jackson said the Shahada.

So, yeah, the Raafidah are worse enemy to the Muslims even than the disbelievers. If I had to choose between sitting with a Christian Priest or a Raafidah Imaam who says A'isha the mother of the believers is a whore, and who cursed Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan and many of the other Sahaba, i would choose the Christian.



Shirk, associating partners with Allaah, and the kufr, sayings and actions of disbelief, are what make people disbelievers. Even if they verbally say the Shahada, -- it means nothing, if their beliefs break it.

Even If someone does things, like live a celebrity, somewhat eccentric lifestyle, but they do not do shirk and kufr, then we can not call them disbelievers and if they are Muslims, we should have the shame and humbleness not to speak bad and judge them.

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

 

[IslamIsLight]

salam aleikum

Even If someone does things, like live a celebrity, somewhat eccentric lifestyle, but they do not do shirk and kufr, then we can not call them disbelievers and if they are Muslims, we should have the shame and humbleness not to speak bad and judge them.

I completely agree ,and remember brothers and sisters ,when person reverts to Islam its not like he can become perfect in one day ,giving up lifestyle , habits ,clothes,music ,singing etc.. and etc... So please don't be so quick to judge ,because Allah and only Allah is the Judge for everyone..
And nobody has the right to say about other person ,he or she is not Muslim ,and that he/she does this and that ,and he or she reverted because of this and that ,astaghfirullah .
Unfortunatelly I experienced personally these kind of judgements ,and I know this can hurt more then any weapon can hurt you ,when someone is judging or doubting your faith ..

We need to care about our own deeds ,our own faith ,this is what we will be accountable for ,and not for the deeds of others..

(2:134) That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

waaleikum salam

 

[Asja]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

Jazaki Allaahu Khayr sister Asja, that quote reminds us of the disbelief of the Raafidah. - An individiual Raafidi, we can not judge, but, if that raafidi has the same beliefs as the sect they belong, then they are not believers. i.e. they say and do the disbelief of Raafidah.(which you placed kindly in your post)

Its interesting, its kinda linked to this, the Jews, (the cousins of the Raafidah) hated him much, and made many fabricated stories about him, just as the dispicable Raafidah do the same with the greatest Muslims of all, the companions of the Prophet Muhammad

I never heard or saw Michael Jackson do Shirk, nor kufr.. Nor did he curse any of the Sahaba, nor did he go into exaggeration of any of the Muslims, Michael Jackson said the Shahada.

So, yeah, the Raafidah are worse enemy to the Muslims even than the disbelievers. If I had to choose between sitting with a Christian Priest or a Raafidah Imaam who says A'isha the mother of the believers is a whore, and who cursed Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan and many of the other Sahaba, i would choose the Christian.



Shirk, associating partners with Allaah, and the kufr, sayings and actions of disbelief, are what make people disbelievers. Even if they verbally say the Shahada, -- it means nothing, if their beliefs break it.

Even If someone does things, like live a celebrity, somewhat eccentric lifestyle, but they do not do shirk and kufr, then we can not call them disbelievers and if they are Muslims, we should have the shame and humbleness not to speak bad and judge them.

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

Allaicomu saalam wa raahmatullah wa baarakatuhu

Dear brother I meant to say that we can not know who is Muslim and beliver for Allah subahn we teala,because on the end all Judgment will be in Allah hands adn Power.
Tahweed is very large note and it can not,neiter it should be limited on defianing Muslim as the one who sais only Shaahada without foolowing Holy Quran and Sunnah.Muslim is complete sumbmission to Allah,and singing haram songs it is not submiting to Allah,neither shirk adn kufr is the only thing which will bring people in Hell-Fire,May Allah protect us all from it.And even saying Saahadah of someone is not enough prove for anything becasue we do not know did persone accept Islaam from its heart or for some other reason.
I do not understand how can we call someone who does not sumbit to Allah and His Messager s.a.w.s. a beliver??? This is unlogiacl statment I must say,becasue I reapet again that definition of Muslim can not be based only on Shaahada but except that sumbission to Allah and His Prophet s.a.w.s. trough Holy Quran and Sunnah.

You have said brother that we can not Judge them,when it is our duty because Allah has sent a man like a Judge on Earth trough Allahs Low and on the end Allah will Judge us all.

Alahdmulillah we do not agree with Shia who are doing haram things in Islaam (like slaundering Prophet wifes,Ashaabahs,and other bidah things they have brought),and we reject them,but we also reject those "hypocrites" with Muslim names only and who do haram things as well.

And to add more InshAllah, the point of my reply was not to remaind us on Rafidhas as I think the base things about them are known to us.

The point of my reply was to remain you brother what "to be just" for the sake of Allah means and that you do not have right when you say "all Shia today should be caled Rafidhas" Asstagfirullah when we all know perfectly well that this is not truth and may Allah guide us all to the right path InshAllah.

And I suppose that we all have different level of shame and purity in ourselves and thanks to Allah on that, becouse someons shame is without shame, like for example these "celebreties" that you like to mention so much brother, he he he.

And yes why should we judge them when on the Day of Judgment InshAllah they will for sure know what "judgeing" means InshAllah.

Even my little cousin Maryam who is only 3 years old knows what means "to be just". InshAllah that those who are much more older than her learn it too..

May Allah guide us all InshAllah.:tti_sister:

 

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

I also want to make a note, which very few people know or understand.. and im not some crazy fan, hehe, although, when I was like 4 years old, I used to sing "im Bad" and do breakdance, but.....

Michael Jackson was Used .. by a lot of people, he had very very few real friends. Everyone, from Doctors, to lawyers.. used him, for his money..... Its very sad how much some people can be so ruthlessly greedy and take advantage of simple, kind hearted people.

Wallaahu A'lam

 

[Mabsoot]

Allaicomu saalam wa raahmatullah wa baarakatuhu

Alahdmulillah we do not agree with Shia who are doing haram things in Islaam (like slaundering Prophet wifes,Ashaabahs,and other bidah things they have brought),and we reject them,but we also reject those "hypocrites" with Muslim names only and who do haram things as well.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh,

We can never call a person a "hypocrite". This is judging too, just as what you have complained about.

Allaah help us and guide us to the straight way, amin.

-- As for the Raafidah, or any other belief then I explained clearly that people who say and believe in anything that takes a person outside of Islaam, then they are not Muslims. It is clear.

The Scholars of Islaam, such as the 4 Imaams from the early Generation of Islaam and other then them, were unanimous in that the Raafidah are not Muslims.

May Allaah forgive me if I sound harsh or rude, that is not my intent at all, rather, we should protect our Islaam and call things as they are, without any sugarcoating.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh,

 

[Asja]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh,

We can never call a person a "hypocrite". This is judging too, just as what you have complained about.

Allaah help us and guide us to the straight way, amin.


May Allaah forgive me if I sound harsh or rude, that is not my intent at all, rather, we should protect our Islaam and call things as they are, without any sugarcoating.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh,

:salam2:

It is not Judgeing if we clearly know who is hypocrit like the hypocrit are the ones who know for the truth but they are still rejecting it.May Allah protect us all.

Judgeing would be for example "All those who are calling themselves Shia Muslims are Rafidhas ".

Allahu Aleem!!!!

Ameen brother for your duas,and may Allah forgive us all.:tti_sister:

 

[Asja]

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

I also want to make a note, which very few people know or understand.. and im not some crazy fan, hehe, although, when I was like 4 years old, I used to sing "im Bad" and do breakdance, but.....

Wallaahu A'lam

:salam2:

Well yes we all have notice that..............we know Allhamdullilah that you were not some crazy fan..........

 

[a_muslimah86]

Salaam,

Maybe because it didn't have anything to do with Islam or clearing up the misconceptions surrounding Islam? Just a guess but that would be mine.

Sister your comment made me bust out laughing in the middle of the cafe and everyone looked at me like I'm nuts (as if I don't bring enough attention to myself being the only hijabi in it)..lol

May Allah Bless you!

As for MJ..if he was Muslim..then May Allah Pardon Him for his sins and shortcomings and admit him into a jannah..if he was not a Muslim..then to Allah is his return..and to Allah is his destiny left to be judged upon...that's all we can say in regards to his state *after death*

I just feel really sad for his children..he has 3 of them and they are all young..I wonder what will happen to them ..inshallah their uncle Jermaine takes them..at least he might raise them to be Muslim

 

[Kakorot]

inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon

I'm upset that he died, btw i'm not a fan either, nor do i listen to music.

And I feel very sorry for his brother jermain jackson : (

May Allaah forgive those who believed in Him and the Last Day

 

[zbhotto]

A note

Dear Brothers and Sisters in ISLAM,
I feel so happy to read your comments about ISLAM. May Allah (SWT) increase rewards of your good deeds by multiple times, and replace your sins with good deeds. One thing I should mention that we should avoid talking too much about the deviant sect, SHIA. As Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said, ''there will be 73 sects among muslims and only one of them will be in Paradisse.''

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also said, ''75% of fitna will be cuased in the disguse of ISLAM by Shaitan''.

SHIA claims "Out of 110,000 companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) only 3 were true beleivers''. Most modrate SHIA says 7 were true beliver. Astagfarullah.
This is a nonsense claim.

So we all know about this.

I am not supporting SHIA but just to remind, In a friday sermon the present IRANIAN leader Imam Khomeni
'' Called Aysha (RA) as the mother of the believers''.


The main reasons why SHIA curse Aysha (RA) are

1. It is the Aysha (RA) who refute the SHIA ideology and give firm support to Umar (RA) to establish the command of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) about who would be the califs in the islamic state.

2. She was a daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) to whom shia also curse.

3. It is only because of Aysha (RA) that we have the graves of Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman (RA) besides the grave of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) which was a unbearable blow to the kuffar SHIA's.

Since beacuse of Aysha (RA) the SHIA could not achive anything the SHIA curse her for adultary. This is a hatered aginst the noble Aysha (RA). Imam Khomeni's calling Her as the mother of believer has proved it.

We should be proud of Aysha (RA) who defeat the falsehood and establish the truth.

 

[Asja]

Dear Brothers and Sisters in ISLAM,
I feel so happy to read your comments about ISLAM. May Allah (SWT) increase rewards of your good deeds by multiple times, and replace your sins with good deeds. One thing I should mention that we should avoid talking too much about the deviant sect, SHIA. As Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said, ''there will be 73 sects among muslims and only one of them will be in Paradisse.''

Assalamu Allaicum

Dear brother please do not generalise things and please stop saying for the sake of Allah that all Shia Muslims are folowers of deviant sect when you know that this is not true Allhamdullilah.

In Jannah will enter InshAllah people with Allahs will and not sects. They will be reworded only from Allahs mercy and may Allahs mercy be upon our Ummah InshAllah. If someone calls himselfe or herselfe Shia Muslim this does not mean that he or she is not Muslim/Muslimah and they will not enter in Jannah. And Allah knows the best and He is only All Knowing SubhanAllah. InshAllah that you understand better.

In Holy Quran Allah sais:" To all Muslim and Muslimahs and belivers, and obedient man and obedient woman, and honest man and honest woman, and patient man and patient woman, humble man and humble woman, man who are giving charity and woman who are giving charity, and man who are fasting and woman who are fasting, and man who are keeping their private parts and woman who are keeping their private parts, and man who are mentioning Allah a loot and woman who are mentioning Allah a loot-verily Allah has prepared from them forgivness and big reword".

And please dear brother stick to the subject of this thread which is M.J.(may Allahs mercy be upon him if he was Muslim.Ameen).

May Allah guide us all.

:wasalam

 

[justoneofmillion]

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

I also want to make a note, which very few people know or understand.. and im not some crazy fan....

salaam,haha i was

Michael Jackson was Used .. by a lot of people, he had very very few real friends. Everyone, from Doctors, to lawyers.. used him, for his money..... Its very sad how much some people can be so ruthlessl

That is so true!I really hope he died a muslim inshallah. I heard he made the shahada just few months ago funny isn t it!May allah swt forgive me i was so sad when i heard the news .i think he was a genuine , kind and generous individual victime of a ruthless and exploiting system machinery since childhood.It really make you think that no matter what you achieve in this world it always ends up bringing you down to the ground in a way or another, i de be glad to know that truth has finally set his soul free.wassalaamu aleikum

 

[Mabsoot]

And please dear brother stick to the subject of this thread which is M.J.(may Allahs mercy be upon him if he was Muslim.Ameen).

May Allah guide us all.

:wasalam

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh sister,

sister, Jazaki Allaahu khayr . ah (looks at page 1)

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

 

[Asja]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh sister,

sister, Jazaki Allaahu khayr . ah (looks at page 1)

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh

:salam2:

Jazzak Allah khair brother for your kind remainder.

Since you have mentioned in one of your replys that we should not judge others without knowing them,I have remembered that this has not been aplyed in some cases like for example in the case of shia Muslims.From this we see that we have the same subject "judgeing others" only we have two diffrent names,and brother Zbhotto did not talk in this contest.Comperation is always more than welcomed!

Our dear brother Zbhotto saw the name "Shia" and thought that the thread is about the same,so I only wanted to remaind him and of all us that we should stick to the subject of thread and not change dirrection.

 

[stiks]

:salam2:

Jazzak Allah khair brother for your kind remainder.

Since you have mentioned in one of your replys that we should not judge others without knowing them,I have remembered that this has not been aplyed in some cases like for example in the case of shia Muslims.From this we see that we have the same subject "judgeing others" only we have two diffrent names,and brother Zbhotto did not talk in this contest.Comperation is always more than welcomed!

Our dear brother Zbhotto saw the name "Shia" and thought that the thread is about the same,so I only wanted to remaind him and of all us that we should stick to the subject of thread and not change dirrection.

:salam2:

Are you shia? If you were i'd understand how you could feel upset about some of the previous posts about the subject (true as they were), but this post has a totally different topic!

I'm Sorry i just don't see how they're related, unless of course MJ was a shia?