what should i say???

[allah is with me]

salamualaikum ........
well, very before an atheist mailed me on youtube talking a bout islam, and this argument kept on going, and yesterday he asked me about women...
saying why did not allah make equality among man and women, so i said allah had made everything equal...
then he sent me this ...

'read otherwrite. here is what i have found in islam.. these are pasted detials of hadiths/quranic verses.


Testimony or bearing witness. The Quraan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her

[al-Baqarah 2:282]

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A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Allaah commands you as regards your childrens (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females

[al-Nisa 4:11]

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here are other differences.. EQUAL?

· A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.

· A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

· A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

· A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.

· Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a womans prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.

· A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.




now understand me when i say I THINK YOU DESERVE MORE. if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc.. irrelevant to how precious women are in my beliefs, you say "equal" both men and woman have someone not of equal status.. but women are put down more. if you disagree.. please give me proof for every single one of the above.

enjoy ya ramadan. take care and
peace'
...
what should i say?

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Testimony or bearing witness. The Quraan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her

[al-Baqarah 2:282]

:salam2:

Sister, you should watch Dr Bilal Philips dawah technique about women issues.

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He answers the first question around the 4 minute mark.

2 Women's witness is not always equal to 1 man's witness. As Bilaal Philips mentions in the video, in the field that women know more about, one women's witness is enough.

A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Allaah commands you as regards your childrens (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females

[al-Nisa 4:11]

Because the man has to spend out of his own pocket for everyone in his family. On his wife, on his parents, on his children and other relatives.

The women doesn't have to spend her share of the money on anyone other than herself. She can use it just for self.

Man have more responsibilities financially than women, that's why they get a bigger share.

· A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNYLc0bIjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98efnWUuwT8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dBjqzB8o4 (just because this video is awesome )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShqTxyvvTK8

· A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

This is not true. A woman can goto a Qazi and get a divorce. Woman have a backdoor divorce called 'Khula'a'.

Watch this video.. Sorry for lengthy intro.

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· A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

There are conditions upon man marrying women from 'Ahlul Kitaab'. See my post here.

As for the answer to the above point is here

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· A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.

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· Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a womans prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.

And ? lol.. I view it more of a ease for women.. as it is not obligatory for them. But women can choose to either pray at mosque or at home. This guy is really being non-objective.

· A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.

So that the women have enough stock for gold and silk !!! ..

Yes you can use sarcasm to answer him

now understand me when i say I THINK YOU DESERVE MORE. if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc.. irrelevant to how precious women are in my beliefs, you say "equal" both men and woman have someone not of equal status.. but women are put down more. if you disagree.. please give me proof for every single one of the above.

Women aping (copying) men in every aspect of life isn't what equality is about. That is 'equity' (same for same).

Islam recognizes that men and women are different and therefore they both have different responsibilities and rights in a family.

Islam truly frees the women of slavery from men's desires. Slavery to the 'fashion world' and being treated as 'objects of pleasure for men to look at'.

Instead, in Islam women dress modestly and cover themselves and people value them for their nature, character , piety and intelligence. How beautiful is that ?

Sister, you can go on and on about other women rights and make your point.

 

[IslamicGirl24]

^ MashaAllah BrotherInIslam. JazakAllah Kairan.

 

[mhamzah]

:salam2:

Jazakallah Khair akhi for your answers,

'if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc'

Tell him to go head and we'll show him where others have already tried that before and it hasn't worked.

That's why the stories of past nations are often repeated in the Quran. Tell him to travel through the earth [as the Quran challenges man to do so] and see the state of those nations and civilizations, all they left is a mark [sign].

 

[Tabassum07]

People on youtube always ask the same things. I think once, on a hijab video, some person had made these same comments, and I replied from a book I had been reading at that time, and the only response I got was "Wow, your words are pure gold, like honey, but don't try to fool yourself."

The only person being fooled was that person alone. Just tell him that men and women are equal, but *different*. They have different roles and responsibilities in society, and hence different rules.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

salam and peace to you.this crappy guy is clever to ask crappy questions like this

i have little information.but it is scientific so it may help.

Testimony or bearing witness. The Quraan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her

[al-Baqarah 2:282]


actually a woman in here is not thought low of,or lessefficient.the actual problem is that a women body undergoes certain biological and harmonal changes at certian periods of her life.(so that if one of them (two women) errs,)this may cause her memory loss for which it is important to do what the quran states.
---------------

A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Allaah commands you as regards your childrens (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females

[al-Nisa 4:11]
a women inherts half the share coz unlike man she gets mehar which coverss the the difference
-----------

here are other differences.. EQUAL?

· A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.
here is what zakir naik says:
1. If a man marries more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father. Islam gives tremendous importance to the identification of both parents, mother and father. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, especially their father undergo severe mental trauma and disturbances. Often they have an unhappy childhood. It is for this reason that the children of prostitutes do not have a healthy childhood. If a child born of such wedlock is admitted in school, and when the mother is asked the name of the father, she would have to give two or more names! I am aware that recent advances in science have made it possible for both the mother and father to be identified with the help of genetic testing. Thus this point was applicable for the past, and may not be applicable for the present.


2. Man is more polygamous by nature as compared to a woman.

3. Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife.

4. A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is less likely in a man having more than one sexual partner, and none of them having extra-marital sex. The above reasons are those that one can easily identify. There are probably many more reasons why Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom, has prohibited polyandry.



· A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

it is because a women is emotionally weak.she becomes angered frustrated and impatient quicker then a man so it not very wise to to let her make such decisions.athough she is allowedto do it in away called 'Khula'a'.

· A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

coz a man can over power a women to convert or decide the faith for his children but a women being emotionally weak may not be able to.
· A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.
a women is naturally fragile(bodywise),idon't say she can't punch or kick .what i mean is she can be harmed sexually or be over powered using that fear of hers.amanknows that a women always feels that threat so she should travel with a mahraam to feel and be safe.........he may not prove to be his body guard but a mahraam do creates a sense of security


· Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a womans prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.
well the brother prvided to that i can 't say any better

· A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.

this is what i think since a man is exposed to the world not doing hijab and all.so it might create a sense of competition to wear the latest deigns of gold and wear the best silk around,if they were allowed.and then people who couldn't afford it might feel inferior.on the other hand a woman is allowed for zeenat porposes and since she stays in hijab outside her house the problem of showfullness does not arise to that extent.

now understand me when i say I THINK YOU DESERVE MORE. if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc.. irrelevant to how precious women are in my beliefs, you say "equal" both men and woman have someone not of equal status.. but women are put down more. if you disagree.. please give me proof for every single one of the above.


this was the best i could do hope it helps............

 

[allah is with me]

:salam2:

Sister, you should watch Dr Bilal Philips dawah technique about women issues.

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He answers the first question around the 4 minute mark.

2 Women's witness is not always equal to 1 man's witness. As Bilaal Philips mentions in the video, in the field that women know more about, one women's witness is enough.


Because the man has to spend out of his own pocket for everyone in his family. On his wife, on his parents, on his children and other relatives.

The women doesn't have to spend her share of the money on anyone other than herself. She can use it just for self.

Man have more responsibilities financially than women, that's why they get a bigger share.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNYLc0bIjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98efnWUuwT8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dBjqzB8o4 (just because this video is awesome )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShqTxyvvTK8




This is not true. A woman can goto a Qazi and get a divorce. Woman have a backdoor divorce called 'Khula'a'.

Watch this video.. Sorry for lengthy intro.

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There are conditions upon man marrying women from 'Ahlul Kitaab'. See my post here.

As for the answer to the above point is here

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And ? lol.. I view it more of a ease for women.. as it is not obligatory for them. But women can choose to either pray at mosque or at home. This guy is really being non-objective.




So that the women have enough stock for gold and silk !!! ..

Yes you can use sarcasm to answer him


Women aping (copying) men in every aspect of life isn't what equality is about. That is 'equity' (same for same).

Islam recognizes that men and women are different and therefore they both have different responsibilities and rights in a family.

Islam truly frees the women of slavery from men's desires. Slavery to the 'fashion world' and being treated as 'objects of pleasure for men to look at'.

Instead, in Islam women dress modestly and cover themselves and people value them for their nature, character , piety and intelligence. How beautiful is that ?

Sister, you can go on and on about other women rights and make your point.

oh ya, ya! your right , you know you me made me laugh ..
if i say him all these, then i dont know what will question me more...
isnt it better if a give him this website name?.....
let him clear all the doubts with brothrinislam lol

 

[allah is with me]

salam and peace to you.this crappy guy is clever to ask crappy questions like this

i have little information.but it is scientific so it may help.

Testimony or bearing witness. The Quraan states that the testimony of one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her

[al-Baqarah 2:282]


actually a woman in here is not thought low of,or lessefficient.the actual problem is that a women body undergoes certain biological and harmonal changes at certian periods of her life.(so that if one of them (two women) errs,)this may cause her memory loss for which it is important to do what the quran states.
---------------

A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Allaah commands you as regards your childrens (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females

[al-Nisa 4:11]
a women inherts half the share coz unlike man she gets mehar which coverss the the difference
-----------

here are other differences.. EQUAL?

· A man can marry four women, but a woman can only have one husband.
here is what zakir naik says:
1. If a man marries more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father. Islam gives tremendous importance to the identification of both parents, mother and father. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, especially their father undergo severe mental trauma and disturbances. Often they have an unhappy childhood. It is for this reason that the children of prostitutes do not have a healthy childhood. If a child born of such wedlock is admitted in school, and when the mother is asked the name of the father, she would have to give two or more names! I am aware that recent advances in science have made it possible for both the mother and father to be identified with the help of genetic testing. Thus this point was applicable for the past, and may not be applicable for the present.


2. Man is more polygamous by nature as compared to a woman.

3. Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife.

4. A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is less likely in a man having more than one sexual partner, and none of them having extra-marital sex. The above reasons are those that one can easily identify. There are probably many more reasons why Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom, has prohibited polyandry.



· A man has the right to issue a divorce and it is valid if he does so, but a woman does not have the right to issue a divorce.

it is because a women is emotionally weak.she becomes angered frustrated and impatient quicker then a man so it not very wise to to let her make such decisions.athough she is allowedto do it in away called 'Khula'a'.

· A man may marry a woman from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), but a Muslim woman may not marry anyone but a Muslim.

coz a man can over power a women to convert or decide the faith for his children but a women being emotionally weak may not be able to.
· A man may travel without his wife or any of his mahrams, but a woman may not travel unless she is accompanied by a mahram.
a women is naturally fragile(bodywise),idon't say she can't punch or kick .what i mean is she can be harmed sexually or be over powered using that fear of hers.amanknows that a women always feels that threat so she should travel with a mahraam to feel and be safe.........he may not prove to be his body guard but a mahraam do creates a sense of security


· Prayer in the mosque is obligatory for men, but not for women; a womans prayer in her house is more beloved to Allaah.
well the brother prvided to that i can 't say any better

· A woman may wear silk and gold, but a man must not wear them.

this is what i think since a man is exposed to the world not doing hijab and all.so it might create a sense of competition to wear the latest deigns of gold and wear the best silk around,if they were allowed.and then people who couldn't afford it might feel inferior.on the other hand a woman is allowed for zeenat porposes and since she stays in hijab outside her house the problem of showfullness does not arise to that extent.

now understand me when i say I THINK YOU DESERVE MORE. if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc.. irrelevant to how precious women are in my beliefs, you say "equal" both men and woman have someone not of equal status.. but women are put down more. if you disagree.. please give me proof for every single one of the above.


this was the best i could do hope it helps............

oh! brother it did help me..:mashallah::mashallah:..may allah reward you..jasakallah khair

 

[allah is with me]

People on youtube always ask the same things. I think once, on a hijab video, some person had made these same comments, and I replied from a book I had been reading at that time, and the only response I got was "Wow, your words are pure gold, like honey, but don't try to fool yourself."

The only person being fooled was that person alone. Just tell him that men and women are equal, but *different*. They have different roles and responsibilities in society, and hence different rules.

yup sister! your right..
you he asks so much questions..i guess it never ends...
its better i give this website name

 

[allah is with me]

:salam2:

Jazakallah Khair akhi for your answers,

'if i made rules i would tell you that you should have more then men should do worth more can do more etc'

Tell him to go head and we'll show him where others have already tried that before and it hasn't worked.

That's why the stories of past nations are often repeated in the Quran. Tell him to travel through the earth [as the Quran challenges man to do so] and see the state of those nations and civilizations, all they left is a mark [sign].

jaasakallah khair

 

[ahmed_indian]

Allah gave more health and wealth to some than others. and He is All-Just. so if He gives some more rights to men over women, still He is All-Just.

why dont we accept that men and women are different. no matter how much feminists say that we are same, but we are not. Allah created us equally but differently.

if women's testimony is half..no problem. its mostly men who deal in business. if men dont need mahram, its ok. men dont have fear of getting raped/molested.

men dont complain that Allah did not allow us wearing silk and gold, then why women complain about men's right? afterall men are brothers of sisters. why they feel jealous?

 

[allah is with me]

Allah gave more health and wealth to some than others. and He is All-Just. so if He gives some more rights to men over women, still He is All-Just.

why dont we accept that men and women are different. no matter how much feminists say that we are same, but we are not. Allah created us equally but differently.

if women's testimony is half..no problem. its mostly men who deal in business. if men dont need mahram, its ok. men dont have fear of getting raped/molested.

men dont complain that Allah did not allow us wearing silk and gold, then why women complain about men's right? afterall men are brothers of sisters. why they feel jealous?

oh jealous ! so, your trying to say that girls get jealous ha?

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

oh! brother it did help me..:mashallah::mashallah:..may allah reward you..jasakallah khair

man i'm a sis.just kidding.good 2 know that it helped:jumpclap:.i tried to do my best .errr.....it became little tooo long though.

 

[ProudToBeaMuslim]

Salaam sis,I would love to know what his reply was!! Can u post it if u dont mind?

 

[allah is with me]

yes sis sure..
but i just sent today, so, ill get the responce tom..
so ill post his responce over here...
i know he will ask me someother Q

 

[ahmed_indian]

oh jealous ! so, your trying to say that girls get jealous ha?

not all of course, but some seems to be!

 

[allah is with me]

man i'm a sis.just kidding.good 2 know that it helped:jumpclap:.i tried to do my best .errr.....it became little tooo long though.

oops i am sorry sis:shymuslima1:

 

[allah is with me]

not all of course, but some seems to be!

some....
ya! but sometimes boys get too right?

 

[allah is with me]

Salaam sis,I would love to know what his reply was!! Can u post it if u dont mind?

sis he posted...
Re: i am starting to understand a bit
i just did a quick scan of your msgs.

thank you for taking the time to do it. i appreciate the time spent. i will read it more thoroughly an get back to you.

but one question.. i thought as i rough scanned it. .. ... why women all the time? why women do this? and you women do that?

i knwo it tells man to... but dont women have sexual urges to a mans handsomeness?

why should men just cover navel to knees? what about mans body? i think you only explained that 2 women equal to 1 man ONLY IN SOME instances.. okay i understand but why?! emotion? we are human aint we... are you saying men are incapable of being emotional? to say equal is to agree we both yes are different, but still CAN acquire the same characteristics. just as being emotional but it will be emotional is diff ways... yes to be sexual ugres.. but in diff ways...

this is why i feel that the book tells you TO DO it.. and not A LOT to men.. men is not so much. its limited is what i am saying.

yes women should be modest.. but no where have i read niqab, hijab etc etc in quran.. just modest.. no where does it say cover face.. no where does it say where a tent. just be modest only show hands and face and cover figure.

i agree with that.. and yes the hijab does provide the modesty.. but its not needed. but yes it is up to a women but every women should know that its not there religion and modesty can be found in your mind as well as physically.

another thing is where is the mans veil? where is covering up his body? only navel to knees? i find it strange thats all.. maybe i can understand one day and i will check out your site.

thank you.. sorry for the above being rushed - might sound like i am from some other country now ahhaha.. im trying to rush so i can get food for my family. hope you understood the msg. lol.. if not ill reply soon when i read your msgs properly ...

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

i've got som good answers to this one too but i'll hav to do it some other time i'm in a rush now.u kno help mom with aftri in a couple of minutes.and need to be in no rush to answer big Qs like that.