What shall we do or not do?

[Miss Aaliyah]

Assalamo alaykom wa Rahmatollahi wa Barakatoh,

I wonder, because I need some help in this case.

When we face people on the Internet, or in reality, who totally puts us on place with their critics or confrontations; then what are we supposed to do?

Lately I have had a person commenting on a homepage I have which is anonymous about me and my life as a Muslim. This person use points such as that I have never been a true Christian or never read the Bible good to know what it says (even though I've been a more practising Christian than normal in Sweden and read the Bible all through many times since I was younger than 10 years old). The problem is too that this person is an Arab Christian, I believe it's a girl but I'm not sure, saying that me as a Swedish Muslim who don't know Arabic don't know what the Quran for real says. And she brings up things from the Quran which in translation really isn't true, and I've never heard of it when listening to videos by imams who explain different things from the Quran. This means I don't believe what she says but only that she doesn't know it well, or has misunderstood it.

The problem is that I become totally blocked. When someone tells you that you are a hobby Muslim, or that "you don't know Arabic like I do so you can't tell what Islam is for real", or that I don't know Christianity well etc. You have no idea what to say after a while.

I try to answer the best I can (but I have decided to not answer her anymore at all inshaAllah) but what about these factors? I do not know Arabic, I can't know what the Quran says "for real". But I trust the Arabic Muslims and I trust the translation of the Quran I have, because if there was huge differences I would know it from the people who know both my language and Arabic and from all Swedish Muslims who know Arabic and can read the real Quran.

But I don't feel good inside right now. I don't mistrust Islam, I am a practising Muslim and I don't have any doubts at all. But to be blocked by someone telling she (he?) knows better than you, telling that you just want attention, or saying that you will understand in the future when this time is over etc. It really makes me frustrated.

So I wonder; what shall we do in these situations? What would you do? Try to answer and then just ignore even if you feel really bad inside from not being able to answer anymore?

 

[Fatima S.Ar]

Wa Alaikom Assalam sister ,
Can you please bring what he or she claim it's from the real " Qur'an " ?

Before 3 weeks I recieved the same lie throught E-mail , he also claimed to be an Arab and said the same : " Qur'an what you have is not the true translation , I'm an Arab an I can understand it and tell you the truth ... blah blah "

I think he was shocked when he knew I'm an Arab ^ he didn't answer any message I sent in Arabic only he answered the English ones =)

If what she said was true , then why huge numbers of Arab Christians converting to Islam everyday ?! They know Arabic and they can know what is written in the Qur'an very well

They think Qur'an is like their Book , each translation is different from the other one , the Arabic not like the English . I face difficulty when I want some Bible Verses in English bcz some websites hide them or change them .

But talking about the Qur'an , I used to use this and the translation is very well :

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/


By the way , The translated Qur'an is a translation for the Meanings of it , so all the translations have the same meanings but expressed in some different ways , like this :

In Surat Al-Ikhlas :

"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
"And there is none comparable unto Him "

Both have the same meaning , right ?

Let's take examples from the old testament :

6 Solomon also had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen

Kings(1) 4-26

And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen

2 Chronicles -9-25

Here it says Bejamin had 10 sons :
21 And the sons of Benjamin: Bela, and Becher, and Ashbel, Gera, and Naaman, Ehi, and Rosh, Muppim, and Huppim, and Ard.

Gensis 46
But here it says he had 3 !!

6[The sons of] Benjamin: Bela, and Becher, and Jediael, three

1 Chronicles 7 -6

And they are 5 here :!!!!!!!!!

" And Benjamin begat Bela his first-born, Ashbel the second, and Aharah the third, 2Nohah the fourth, and Rapha the fifth "

I'll say something to make you smile , it happened really . In an Arabic forum one of the members " a Muslim " posted a thread in a Christian forum asking them to explain a verse in the Bible , He claimed that verse in 34 of a chapter while that chapter only has 33 verses . They belived him and answered him every one explained as he wants " Jesus meant this .. no you misunderstood " no one opened the Bible to check the invented verse !! :tongue:
( but we blamed him since it's not good to change it , he said I only wanted them to know that their book can easily be changed )

You saw how their book is easy to change ^ while Qur'an if some one did a spelling mistake we can discover it .

Al7amdulillah for the blessing of Islam

Sister , no need to answer people like that , they only want to stop you and waste your time . There is a big different between people who seek the truth and people who come to play .

May Allah protect you my dear sister .

 

[Waseem203]

Tell her she can disprove the Quran and all of Islam if she can make a chapter like the Quran since shes an Arab. The shortest one is three verses.

 

[Miss Aaliyah]

Barak Allah fikom.

A sister told me about some verses, I specially felt comfortable with these:

29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

18:56
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. And those who disbelieve dispute by [using] falsehood to [attempt to] invalidate thereby the truth and have taken My verses, and that of which they are warned, in ridicule.

17:15
Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.


I'm not feeling doubts, only discomfort and nervousity for when I feel like I have no answer. The problem is that I should be on the side of telling, not trying to prevent myself and defend all the time with no success. This girl was saying the same thing as you said, KSA_lover, that if Islam wasn't bad and false, then why so many Muslims in the Arab world convert to Christianity every day?

The problem is that people convert to both sides. But one way is right, and one isn't.

Alhamdolillah we are Muslims.

 

[alf2]

I would like to point out something no one has yet...

Its funny she says "you dont know what the Qur'an really says" WHen she has no idea what the bible REALLY says. The original Bible in its written language, we dont have! It has been corrupted, from Translation to Translation, from Denomination to Denomination!

At least in Islam, we have the original Qur'an, ALHAMDULILAH! If someone will search for the word of God, and follow their life based on a book..Honestly, I want that book to be the original. Not one that is close to it. The oldest translation of the bible, is in Greek. :/

She/he probably reads the New Testament, King James Version, which is watered down.
The old school OT, says to stone your kids if they talk back... -.-


And you know, I dont speak Arabic either. We put our trust in translators, that they will NOT mislead us. I trust them, the majority of them.

 

[arzafar]

Barak Allah fikom.

A sister told me about some verses, I specially felt comfortable with these:

29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

18:56
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. And those who disbelieve dispute by [using] falsehood to [attempt to] invalidate thereby the truth and have taken My verses, and that of which they are warned, in ridicule.

17:15
Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.


I'm not feeling doubts, only discomfort and nervousity for when I feel like I have no answer. The problem is that I should be on the side of telling, not trying to prevent myself and defend all the time with no success. This girl was saying the same thing as you said, KSA_lover, that if Islam wasn't bad and false, then why so many Muslims in the Arab world convert to Christianity every day?

The problem is that people convert to both sides. But one way is right, and one isn't.

Alhamdolillah we are Muslims.

When a non muslim is bugging you; you can always use quraan to shut him up.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6)

 

[Fatima S.Ar]

Barak Allah fikom.

A sister told me about some verses, I specially felt comfortable with these:

29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

18:56
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. And those who disbelieve dispute by [using] falsehood to [attempt to] invalidate thereby the truth and have taken My verses, and that of which they are warned, in ridicule.

17:15
Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.


I'm not feeling doubts, only discomfort and nervousity for when I feel like I have no answer. The problem is that I should be on the side of telling, not trying to prevent myself and defend all the time with no success. This girl was saying the same thing as you said, KSA_lover, that if Islam wasn't bad and false, then why so many Muslims in the Arab world convert to Christianity every day?

The problem is that people convert to both sides. But one way is right, and one isn't.

Alhamdolillah we are Muslims.

Can you tell me what is the wrong in the previous verses she brought ? I wanna see your point of veiw .

Sorry but she is a big liar , because the Christians convert to Islam for the sake of God after studying it very well , but when a Muslim convert that for the sake of money . Like Muhammad Hejazi , some Muslims could know from him that he will convert to Islam again if Muslims pay money more than what the Egyption Orthodox Chruch does ! Also I have an Algerian friend she used to go to the Church to have French classes ( She is Muslim ) . There she met a guy who wanted to become a Christian in order to travel to France !!

You can see this : http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66949

I donno if you have heard about this but most of who claim to be ex-Muslims are liars , in Arabic land ( Egypt ) they have a beshop called Zakaria Butrus , I have never seen any liar bigger than him ^ he used to bring Christians to claim that they are ex-Muslims . Many Christians discovered his lies and converted to Islam ^

 

[Miss Aaliyah]

Can you tell me what is the wrong in the previous verses she brought ? I wanna see your point of veiw .

Sorry but she is a big liar , because the Christians convert to Islam for the sake of God after studying it very well , but when a Muslim convert that for the sake of money . Like Muhammad Hejazi , some Muslims could know from him that he will convert to Islam again if Muslims pay money more than what the Egyption Orthodox Chruch does ! Also I have an Algerian friend she used to go to the Church to have French classes ( She is Muslim ) . There she met a guy who wanted to become a Christian in order to travel to France !!

You can see this : http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66949

I donno if you have heard about this but most of who claim to be ex-Muslims are liars , in Arabic land ( Egypt ) they have a beshop called Zakaria Butrus , I have never seen any liar bigger than him ^ he used to bring Christians to claim that they are ex-Muslims . Many Christians discovered his lies and converted to Islam ^

I know that we have two sides. We say things that we believe in, the Christians tell their things that they believe in. It comes to a wall where we can't go further except with the help of Allah swt because we just say things against eachothers.

The verses I posted was not from the girl. It was from a sister I was speaking about this matter with. The verses made me calm after this discussion and frustration from not reaching out how much I even tried.

 

[weakslave]

I would like to point out something no one has yet...

Its funny she says "you dont know what the Qur'an really says" WHen she has no idea what the bible REALLY says. The original Bible in its written language, we dont have! It has been corrupted, from Translation to Translation, from Denomination to Denomination!

At least in Islam, we have the original Qur'an, ALHAMDULILAH! If someone will search for the word of God, and follow their life based on a book..Honestly, I want that book to be the original. Not one that is close to it. The oldest translation of the bible, is in Greek. :/

She/he probably reads the New Testament, King James Version, which is watered down.
The old school OT, says to stone your kids if they talk back... -.-


And you know, I dont speak Arabic either. We put our trust in translators, that they will NOT mislead us. I trust them, the majority of them.

Thats where they hope to mislead. By presenting arguments to those who don't know half the story, they hope to confuse them and cause them discomfort.

You wouldn't let someone who is going to annoy you in your house, so why respond to the one who says things to make you feel uncomfortable.

 

[Aisya al-Humaira]

The problem is that I become totally blocked. When someone tells you that you are a hobby Muslim, or that "you don't know Arabic like I do so you can't tell what Islam is for real", or that I don't know Christianity well etc. You have no idea what to say after a while.

Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

To tell you the truth, if someone talks like that : "You dont know ... like I do", well, I'll just say such people are a bit ego. Sorry, I'll just be frank.

Even if that person happens to be an arabian, it takes an abundance of knowledge from all sorts of fields; not just Uloom Al-Quraan, Uloom Al-Hadeeth but in other fields too, to be able to intepret the Quran. An ustaaz that teaches Tafseer Al-Quran; he said that even for him to be able to teach the Tafseer, he not only need to refer to Tafseer Saheeh Ibnu Katheer (the best Tafseer of Al-Quran) but also other tafseer such as Tafseer Ibnu Jarir at-Thabari and many more. Every ayat (or word) of the Quran, it can have many meanings (one meaning could be totally different from the other) because thats the beauty of Arabic Language.

The point is, common people like us can't simply intepret ayaat of Al-Quran al-Kareem without having the eligibility to do so.

So, IMHO, its best if you stay away from such person because not only we dont want her to waver your faith (au'tho billahi min thalik!) but also because sometimes we may know the answer to the questions; just that we dont have the right word to say it.

But its ok, inshaAllaah, the more you learn on our deen, the more understanding and wisdom Allaah will grant you; so long that you seek the ilm' from trustworthy sources and sheikh.

I seek forgiveness from Allaah subhanahu wa Ta'ala if I may have erred in my words. May Allaah grant us the right understanding in our deen, so that we can convey it to others wisely. Ameen Ya Rabb al-Alameen.

Waalaykummusalam wa rahmatullah.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi,

Maybe this would serve as a good motivation for you to learn some basic Fusha Arabic. Or even listen to a good audio tafsir in English, in which they talk about root of Arabic words and also their meaning and derivations.

One good one is here sister by brother Nouman Ali Khan .. http://bayyinah.com/media/

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[muslimda3ee]

:salam2:

just a reminder, we will be tested.

Not knowing the language makes difficulty when dealing with these people. They try to flip the meaning. The other thing there is another understanding of reason of revelation. These will not be understood, by Arabs who distance themselves from knowing seerah. So when they try to twist something from the Quran, they use that to cause confusion. Confusion is who's main goal? Didn't the devil say I will come from all angles to make man believe in Shirk(idoltry).

If you have any concerns about any ayah from the Quran, put it here and discuss what your concerns are. We will do the best to translate and explain.

by the way, I live and know many Arabs, and there is quite of few who don't understand Quran Arabic. Quranic Arabic is not a special type of arabic that is distant from us rather it is the Arabic that was spoken at the time of the prophet PBUH. Mostly all Arabic studies reference the Quran, it is the highest level of Arabic. Because of it's eloquence, and most accurate precision in describing things.

please be kind, and send them to here, TTI. and watch, we will answer them in English or Arabic. But I can tell you, they probably wouldn't even try, because they know, they will not be able to deceive people like they do elsewhere.

alhumdulillah, we have people here that know English and Arabic, as well as the Quran. The Bible and the Torah, too.

one more thing, you could take anything that is written, and with certain paraphrasing and taking out of context, you could reflect a meaning that is distant from the truth.

just be patient, in sha Allah, as time goes by you will realize that it gets cleared up.

see:
Divine Speech Prologue
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS5NsvZ4yM
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWUy_luMq0Q

 

[Miss Aaliyah]

Barak Allah fikom.

I am learning Arabic at this moment from a book in Swedish. It takes time because I study at university and I don't have much time to put aside at the same time as I want to pray and learn about Islam - Arabic learning comes in third place. But over the summer when I have no university nor a job I hope to inshaAllah be able to learn a lots of Arabic. There are many good videos also helping me with pronunciation. Kheir inshaAllah.

The problem with this kind of people is that they attack you with questions and blocking you, when you yourself don't know all the answers or don't know how to answer even if it's clear for yourself. But it's a good idea to send them to here, I just haven't thought about it before.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Barak Allah fikom.

I am learning Arabic at this moment from a book in Swedish. It takes time because I study at university and I don't have much time to put aside at the same time as I want to pray and learn about Islam - Arabic learning comes in third place. But over the summer when I have no university nor a job I hope to inshaAllah be able to learn a lots of Arabic. There are many good videos also helping me with pronunciation. Kheir inshaAllah.

:salam2:

That's great sister. There is also the Madeenah book course online, set of videos that are free of cost. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala accept from you and make it easy for you. Ameen.

The problem with this kind of people is that they attack you with questions and blocking you, when you yourself don't know all the answers or don't know how to answer even if it's clear for yourself. But it's a good idea to send them to here, I just haven't thought about it before.

Well, if it becomes obvious that they are only there to attack you. You can inform them that they are not going to change your decision. Nor are you interested in arguing and debating. Tell them, your intention is to spread the message of Islam in your humble way. It is upto others whether they accept it and read it with an open mind.

I think this should hopefully discourage a lot of people, who are replying on your blog just for the sake of arguing and copy-pasting material from anti Islamic sites.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[Miss Aaliyah]

:salam2:

That's great sister. There is also the Madeenah book course online, set of videos that are free of cost. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala accept from you and make it easy for you. Ameen.


Well, if it becomes obvious that they are only there to attack you. You can inform them that they are not going to change your decision. Nor are you interested in arguing and debating. Tell them, your intention is to spread the message of Islam in your humble way. It is upto others whether they accept it and read it with an open mind.

I think this should hopefully discourage a lot of people, who are replying on your blog just for the sake of arguing and copy-pasting material from anti Islamic sites.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

Assalamo alaykom,

I tried this way too. To say that I don't want to discuss, and won't change my opinion or faith because of some lies, prejudices or misunderstandings from others. But these sayings are mainly ignored, and the discussion continued.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Assalamo alaykom,

I tried this way too. To say that I don't want to discuss, and won't change my opinion or faith because of some lies, prejudices or misunderstandings from others. But these sayings are mainly ignored, and the discussion continued.

Walaykumsalaam,

There might be a way to prevent such people from posting on your blog then.

You can ignore them, sister. Our duty is to get the message out. It is not to answer to slander thrown at us with zero reasoning by people blinded by hate and prejudice.

Especially if it is making you feel uncomfortable or causing slight doubts. Such things need to be avoided.

May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala make it easy for you. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[besmiralalbani]

salam alaykum

Sister this ones are the condition for the interpretation of the Qur'aan:

Ibn Katheer is based on the general rules of Tafseer that are:

1- An explanation of one aya, with another aya (verse) which explains it in details
2- Explanation of the aya with a Hadith (by his -salallahu alayhi wa sallam- words and actions)
3- Interpretation of the Sahaba -radiallahu anhum- that lived with the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and applied the Qur'an as they understood it by the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam- and they trasmitted the interpretation to us.
4- Tabeen (Those that have lived with the Companions of the Prophet (radiallahu anhum) but they didn't see the Prophet - salallahu alayhi wa sallam-)
5- To understand an aya, we have to see the motive why this aya has been brought. Sometimes some aya are brought to comment an event that happened in that time and we have to know that event which helps us to understand the meaning of the aya.
6- And the linguistic meaning of the aya, and the rules of Arabic grammar.
7- The scientist of the Tafseer has to know all this things when he comments an aya.

This is why the Qur'an is a miracle, because Arabic language is very rich in terminology, meanings and rules.

But I don't know Arabic language... even though Allah says in the Qur'aan that He made different populations with different languages to know each other... We have only the interpretation of the mening of the Qur'aan but that does not mean that we can not learn our religion...
Remeber always the hadith of Rasool -salallahu alayhi wa sallam:

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441:
Narrated Abu Huraira :

Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)

So sister we don't deny the other Prophets the other books but they are part of our belief. We don't have any problem with the others, they are against us, because the truth will always be tested, but if we learn our religion, we can ask without problem. We can not see a religion on this earth Perfect as Islam, and we can not see people of other scriptures practising their religion as we, Alhamdulilah, do.

Remember this aya too, and send this to anyone who want to argue with you:

... This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.... (Al Maida 5: 3)


Has not the time come for the hearts of those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) to be affected by Allah's Reminder (this Quran), and that which has been revealed of the truth, lest they become as those who received the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before (i.e. Jews and Christians), and the term was prolonged for them and so their hearts were hardened? And many of them were Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah). Know that Allah gives life to the earth after its death! Indeed We have made clear the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) to you, if you but understand. (Al Hadid 57: 16-17)

As a conclusion :

Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah

Umar ibn al-Khattab brought to Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) a copy of the Torah and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, this is a copy of the Torah’. He (Allah’s Messenger) kept quiet and he (Umar) began to read it. The (colour) of the face of Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) underwent a change, whereupon Abu Bakr said: ‘Would that your mother mourn you, don’t you see the face of Allah’s Messenger?’ Umar saw the face of Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) and said: ‘I seek refuge with Allah from the wrath of Allah and the wrath of His Messenger. We are well pleased with Allah as Lord, with Islam as religion, and with Muhammad as Prophet’. Whereupon Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: ‘By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, even if Moses were to appear before you and you were to follow him, leaving me aside, you would certainly stray into error; for if (Moses) were alive (now), and he found my prophetical ministry, he would have definitely followed me’.

So all the prophets predicated only one religion, only one message and it is the Worship of Allah, alone, without partners.

Salam Alykum

 

[nizar83]

aselemu aleikum sister

al hamdulilaah you know your upon the truth...and your gf or whoever...ALLAH dares anyone to proof the quran holds any mistake...

i promise every human being in this world, you wont be able to find mistakes in this perfect law called shariah and perfect book called the quraan, even if they were to live as many years a prophet noah peace and blessing be upon all the prophets and righteous people

 

[Fatima S.Ar]

I know that we have two sides. We say things that we believe in, the Christians tell their things that they believe in. It comes to a wall where we can't go further except with the help of Allah swt because we just say things against eachothers.

The verses I posted was not from the girl. It was from a sister I was speaking about this matter with. The verses made me calm after this discussion and frustration from not reaching out how much I even tried.

Alright ! but the " things we say against eachothers " can be a fact or a lie . I think you already know that Christian belive in they can lie to spread their faith .

When you posted those ones I though they were brought by that girl , I wondered what made you confused bcz I know they are already in the Qur'an .

 

[Miss Aaliyah]

aselemu aleikum sister

al hamdulilaah you know your upon the truth...and your gf or whoever...ALLAH dares anyone to proof the quran holds any mistake...

i promise every human being in this world, you wont be able to find mistakes in this perfect law called shariah and perfect book called the quraan, even if they were to live as many years a prophet noah peace and blessing be upon all the prophets and righteous people

Wa alaykom salam,

What girlfriend are you talking about?

And you're right, there are no mistakes or doubts in shariah or Quran as long as they are the real ones and not brought up by humen today.