State in the grave

Searching_soul

Junior Member
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There's a group of ppl in earlier generation that didn't receive the message of God from any messengers..... Now what is their state in the grave? And will they be questioned by the angels?

I know there's a saheeh hadeeth, that these ppl will be tested on the day of judgement when Allah commands them to enter the fire... Anyone who obeys enters a cool fire where they will be admitted to paradise, and those who refuse will enter the real fire of hell. But what is their fate in the grave?

Anyone know the answer ?


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faaraa

Nothing but Muslimah
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No matter about what we worry...when we have doubts it is better to clarify it as soon as possible...:)
Fine,,,I too had the same doubt for long time, like....whom did the parents of Rasoolullah, followed? and..even though there were messengers sent to them...they did know about ALLAH...'coz the father of Rasoolullah was ABDULLAH.....
LET ME WAIT TILL I GET AN ANSWER...:)

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MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
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I have very little knowledge but what I can deduce is that Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala is the Most Just, so I am sure that what ever state they are in the graves is just to them. Allah will never do Injustice (May Allah forgive me and save me from even ever thinking that). So, we really don't have to worry about their state in graves and yes we really need to concentrate on ours.
 

saif

Junior Member
:salam2:

There's a group of ppl in earlier generation that didn't receive the message of God from any messengers..... Now what is their state in the grave? And will they be questioned by the angels?

I know there's a saheeh hadeeth, that these ppl will be tested on the day of judgement when Allah commands them to enter the fire... Anyone who obeys enters a cool fire where they will be admitted to paradise, and those who refuse will enter the real fire of hell. But what is their fate in the grave?

Anyone know the answer ?


:wasalam:

:salam2:

It is better to avoid discussions about ghaeb. The reasons is, that the verses of Quran or ahadith about that "future" describe only that part, which really concerns us, and that is: We are responsible for our deeds and it is this belief in God and the day of judgement, and the good deeds, which are done out of this responsibility to be accountable before God, which really counts.

Having said that, I just want to give you some hints, which maybe helpful for you to have a better understanding

1. One of the names of Allah is Al'adl. So be sure, that whatever happens to people after death, it can never ever be injustice to them.

2. In our life in this world, we always have the chance to repent before our death. We learn from our mistakes and then we repent. Only Allah knows, if it will be just to those people to test them the way you have described, based on a hadith. Since I am unable to understand the exact nature of that test, described in that hadith, and since it is talking about another world and another life, which can only be explained with an analogy of this world (mushabiha), I do not scrub this matter any more and consider it among mutashabihaat and I always confine myself to the belief, whatever happens, Allah will do justice to them. (Sorry for a long sentence). It maybe that things are crystal clear for you and for many others. For me they are not. When I am saying it is among mutashabihaat, I am not giving my verdict, I am describing my inner state and feeling towards that hadith, which I have encountered many a times. If you are looking for a fatwa, please go to a mufti.

3. The day of judgement will be held to provide us enough and sufficient proof of the decision of Allah to send us to paradise or hell. If it was to be decided on Allah's knowledge only, then there was even no need for this test in dunya, which we are going through. All that is for doing itmaam al hujjah (providing enough and sufficient proof) on us. That means, the punishment of the graves makes sense for those, for whom waiting until the day of judgement is not necessary. In Quran we find examples of pharao or abu lahb, which belong to this category. Likewise, there is no need to wait for Prophets and shuhadaa' to start a kind of life, which we cannot understand. However, a vast majority of people belong to the category, for whom a meezaan has to decide, which category they belong to. Quran tells us, that for them the death will be like sleep and they will wake up wondering, who has waken them up from their sleep, and the believers will recognize it to be the day, which they were warned about by the Prophets. In summary: People, for whom a meezaan or a cold fire (like you described, based on a hadith) has to decide, where they will belong, they will belong to the people, who will sleep in their graves. This is, what I have learnt from the scholars of my trust. For the sake of intellectual honesty, I have to point out, that many muslims do not believe in this "sleeping state" in grave and they believe it will be either punishment of grave or a "window towards heaven". Do your own research.

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Kakorot

Junior Member
The fate of kuffaar who did not hear the message of Islam

Someone has asked me this question (she is about to become a muslimah). Her statement: 'A lot of others will never meet a Muslim in person. Will they be held responsible for their ignorance? What exactly does this mean: "After the revelation of the Quran who ever receives this message & does not abide by it is a non-believer"?
i. Who is considered to have received the message?
ii. Isn't it possible for people to have not received the message even though the Quran is in existence?'

Praise be to Allaah.

It is part of the justice of Allaah that He does not punish any people until He has first sent a warning to them and unless there is evidence against them. Allaah does not treat anybody unfairly. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” [al-Israa’ 17:15].

In his tafseer (commentary) on this aayah, Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “These words, ‘…And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)’ tell us of the justice of Allaah, may He be exalted, and that He does not punish anyone until after He has established evidence against him by sending a Messenger to him. This is like the aayat (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… Every time a group is cast therein [into Hell], its keeper will ask, “Did no warner come to you?” They will say, “Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: ‘Allaah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.’”’ [al-Mulk 67:8] and: ‘And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of its prisoners). And its keepers will say, “Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, - reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?” They will say: “Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!”’ [al-Zumar 39:71]…”

A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allaah if he dies in a state of kufr (disbelief). If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allaah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of al-Aswad ibn Saree’, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of ‘Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything.’ The insane man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me.’ The very old man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything.’ The man who died during the fatrah will say, ‘O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me.’ He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.”

According to another report, he said: “Whoever enters it, it will be cool and safe for him, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.” (The hadeeth was reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Hibbaan, and deemed saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami’, 881).

Everyone who hears the message of Islam in a sound and correct form (and rejects it), will have evidence aginst him. Whoever dies without having heard the message, or having heard it in a distorted form, then his case is in the hands of Allaah. Allaah knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly. And Allaah is All-Seer of His slaves.

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MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
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All I know is that there are high chances of being punished in the grave, so we should all ask for forgiveness by Allah. Yes, I totally agree that we should not spend much time on things which are not clear and the ghayb.
Allah says, interpretation of the meaning :
(I seek refuge in Allah from shaytan, the accursed.)
3:7 "It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
6:59 "And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darknesses of the earth and no moist or dry [thing] but that it is [written] in a clear record."

May Allah guide us and forgive us all.
 
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