HAZRAT HUSSAIN (RA) AND HAZRAT YAZID (RA): Facts And Fallacies (Tragedy Of Karbala).

Hammy

Banned
ASSALAMALEYKUM WA REHMATULLAH WA BARKATAHU.

THE BATTLE OF KARBALA IN 61 A.H. WAS NOT A BATTLE BETWEEN TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD OR ISLAM AND KUFR AS IS ALLEGED BY THE "SHIAS" (RAFIDIS). IT WAS NOT JIHAD ETHER OTHERWISE ALL THE SAHABAH WOULD HAVE SIDED WITH HAZRAT HUSSAIN (ra). ALL THE MUSLIM CITIZENS INCLUDING THE LIVING SAHABA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN AND ABDULLAH BIN ZUBAIR SWORE ALLEGIANCE TO YAZID. WHEN HAZRAT HUSSAIN DECIDED TO GO FROM MAKKAH TO KUFA WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE CONSTANTLY INVITING HIM FOR BAYT (OATH OF ALLEGIANCE) HIS CLOSE ASSOCIATES AND WELL-WISHERS LIKE ABDULLAH BIN UMAR, HAZRAT ABU SAEED KHUDRI, HAZRAT ABU DARDA, HAZART ABDULLAH BIN ABBASS, HAZART MUHAMMAD BIN ABU HANIFA ETC. TRIED TO PERSUADE HIM NOT TO UNDERTAKE THIS JOURNEY AS IT WAS FULL OF RISKS AND HAZARDS. THEY WERE HOWEVER, NOT SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR ATTEMPT AND HAZART HUSSAIN PROCEEDED ON HIS MISSION OF REFORMATION CONCEIVED ON THE BASIS OF HIS OWN IJTEHAD. THERE WAS HOWEVER, NO NOTICE OF FIGHTING AS HE WENT WITH 60 OR 70 PEOPLE WHICH MOSTLY COMPRISED MEMBERS OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD. IT WAS ONLY A POLITICAL DIFFERENCE WITH YAZID AND HAZRAT HUSSAIN WANTED TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION. IT WAS NEVER A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN ISLAM AND KUFR AS NONE OF THE CONTESTANTS EVEN ONCE CALLED EACH OTHER AS KAFIR (INFIDEL). THE KUFFITE (WHO HAD MOSTLY SABAI ELEMENTS IN THEIR RANKS) WERE PLAYING THEIR OWN GAME AGAINST ISLAM AND UMMAH UNDER THE COVER OF LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR HAZRAT HUSSAIN AS WE WILL SEE LATER.

WHEN HAZART HUSSAIN WAS STILL ON HIS WAY TO KUFA HE RECEIVED NEWS THAT HIS COUSIN, MUSLIM BIN AQEEL, WHO WAS SENT EARLIER BY HIM TO KUFA TO ASCERTAIN THE CONDITIONS THERE, HAD BEEN MURDERED ON RECEIVING NEWS OF THE DEATH OF MUSLIM BIN AQEEL, HAZRAT HUSSAIN LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE "PEOPLE OF KUFA" AND DECIDED TO RETURN BUT THE RELATIVES OF MUSLIM BIN AQEEL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SABAI ELEMENTS INSISTED ON AVENGING THE MURDER OF MUSLIM BIN AQEEL AND HENCE HAZRAT HUSSAIN DECIDED TO RESUME HIS ONWARD JOURNEY TO KUFA. WHEN HAZRAT HUSSAIN REACHED KARBALA THE GOVERNOR OF KUFA, IBN ZAID, SNET UMAR BIN SAEED AT HE HEAD OF A CONTIGENT TO HALT THE ADVANCE OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN. UMAR BIN SAEED HELD DISCUSSIONS WITH HAZART HUSSAIN WHERE THE LATTER OFFERED TO MAKE A COMPROMISE IF ONE OF THE THREE CONDITIONS ARE ACCEPTED:

(i) HE MAY BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN JIHAD ON THE FRONTIERS OF ISLAMIC EMPIRE.

(ii) OR HE MAY BE PERMITTED TO RETURN TO MADINAH.

(iii) OR HE MAY BE ALLOWED TO SEE YAZID -------- (IN CERTAIN NARRATIONS LIKE TAHRIK TABARI IT IS STATED THAT HE (HUSSAIN) WILL PERSONALLY OFFER ALLEGIANCE TO YAZID & NOT THROUGH ANY INTERMEDIARY).


UMAR BIN SAEED ACCEPTED THE LAST CONDITION AND SOLICITED THE APPROVAL OF THE GOVERNOR (IBN ZAID) WHO HOWEVER, INSISTED THAT ALLEGIANCE FOR YAZID MUST BE OFFERED AT HIS HAND WHICH HAZRAT HUSSAIN DIDN'T ACCEPT. CONSEQUENTLY THE BATTLE ENSUED WHICH RESULTED IN THE MARTYRDOM OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN.

IT WOULD BE SEEN THERE FROM THAT YAZID HAD NO HANDS IN THE MURDER OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN. MOST OF THE HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS ARE WRITTEN BY SHIAS (RAFIDIS) AND AS SUCH HEAP ALL SORTS OF RUBBISH ON YAZID OUT OF SHEER CONTEMPT AND HATRED AND DEPICT HIM IN ALARMING COLOUR WHICH IS FAR FROM TRUTH AND REALITY. STILL SOME OF THE IGNORANT MUSLIMS ACCUSE HIM UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SHIAS (RAFIDIS). THE FACT IS THAT WHEN THE NEWS OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN'S MARTYRDOM REACHED YAZID, HE AND HIS FAMILY WEPT. YAZID EVEN SAID: "CURSE OF ALLAH BE ON ABAIDULLAH BIN ZAID. BY ALLAH! IF HE HAD BEEN A RELATIVE OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN HE WOULD HAVE NEVER KILLED HIM. I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THE SUBMISSION OF IRAQIS WITHOUT THE KILLING OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN." THEN HE ACCORDED A VERY GRACIOUS HOSPITALITY TO THE REMAINING FAMILY MEMBERS OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN AND ARRANGED THEIR RETURN JOURNEY TO MADINAH WITH GREAT HONOUR AND RESPECT.

HAD YAZID GOT ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THE MURDER OF HADHRAT HUSSAIN THE REMANANTS OF HIS FAMILY WOULD HAVE NEVER STAYED WITH YAZID AS HIS GUESTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE INCIDENT OF KARBALA. HOW CAN ONE STAY AND DINE WITH THE MURDERERS OF ONE'S BLOOD RELATIONS? ALL THE VILE PROPAGANDA AGAINST YAZID IS A LATTER INNOVATION OF THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS). EVEN SOME OF THE INNOCENT MUSLIMS LIKE MUHAMMAD ALI JAHUR HAVE BEEN DECEIVED WHEN HE SAID IN A COUPLET:

"THE MARTYRDOM OF HUSSAIN IN EFFECT IS DEATH OF YAZID; ISLAM RISES TO NEW HEIGHTS AFTER EVERY INCIDENT LIKE THAT OF KARBALA."

THIS IS HIGHLY MISLEADING AS IT IS EVIDENT FROM THE FACT THAT SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF SAHABA WERE ALIVE AT THAT TIME BUT ALL OF THEM TRIED TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THIS EVENT TO SAVE UMMAH FROM ENTANGLEMENT AND BLOODSHED. HAD IT BEEN AN ENCOUNTER BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, THE SAHABAH WHO THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES HAD NOT SHIRKED JIHAD WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY THROWN ALL THEIR WEIGHT BEHIND HADHRAT HUSSAIN.


IT MAY BE MENTIONED HERE THE CLOSE AFFINITY OF YAZID WITH THE FAMILY OF HADHRAT ALI. IN 53 H WHEN YAZID AS AMIR-UL-HUJJAJ WENT TO MAKKAH AND AFTER HAJJ REACHED MADINAH, AT THAT OCCASION HE WAS MARRIED TO SAYYEDA UMM HUHAMMAD, THE DAUGHTER OF ABDULLAH BIN JAFFAR YAHYAR WHO WAS THE SON-IN-LAW OF HADHRAT ALI AND BROTHER-IN-LAW OF HASAN AND HUSSAIN. TODAY PEOPLE REMEMBER YAZID'S NAME ONLY AS AN ABUSE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF INVESTIGATE THEMSELVES TO SIFT TRUTH FROM THE UNTRUTH.

THERE IS NO DENYING THE FACT THAT REALISING THE FAITHLENESS OF KUFFITES, HADHRAT HUSSAIN LOST HIS HEART AND WANTED TO PROCEED TO DAMASCUS AND OFFER ALLEGIANCE TO YAZID BUT THE PLOTTERS WHO HAD ACCOMPANIED HADHRAT HUSSAIN (I.E. SO-CALLED PARTISANS OF ALI) SAW THEIR OWN END IN SUCH A REPROACHEMTN SO THEY ISSUED FROM THEIR CAMPS AND MURDERED HADHRAT HUSSAIN ALONG WITH HIS KITH AND KIN.

WHEN WE STUDY THE CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS, THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION DRAWN IS THAT (1) KUFFITE INVITED HAZRAT HUSSAIN TO KUFA AND WROTE HIM LETTERS
(2) THE INVITERS WERE THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS)
(3) THOSE VERY PEOPLE WHO CALLED HAZRAT HUSSAIN MURDERED HIM, CAPTURED HIS FAMILY MEMBER AND ROBBED THEM OF THEIR PROPERTY
(4) THE WOMEN OF THE MEMBERS OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN RAISED HUE AND CRY TO DEFRAUD THE PEOPLE AND
(5) MURDERERS OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN BEING SHIAS (RAFIDIS) ARE OUTSIDE THE PALE OF UMMAH OF RASUL-ALLAH (SAWW).
FOR SEARCHING DETAILS ABOUT THE TRAGEDY OF KARBALA FROM SHIA (RAFIDIH) SOURCES PLEASE SEE MAULANA ALLAHYAR'S BOOK (PP. 114-134). THE BOOK IN URDU IS AVAILABLE FROM DAR-UL-IRFAN, MANARA, DISTT: CHAKWAL (PAKISTAN). THE LATE MAULANA DEDICATED HIS WHOLE LIFE IN CONFRONTATION WITH THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) AND HAVE EXPLODED THEIR MYTH AND FALSITY IN HIS WRITINGS WHICH MERIT TO BE TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH AND OTHER LANGUAGES.

YAZID IS ONLY PROJECTED BY THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) AS A TYRANT, LEWD, DRUNKARD AND PERVERT. HOW WOULD THEY ACCOUNT FOR HIS PEITY AND EMINENCE WHEN THE CONTINGENT OF WHICH HE WAS COMMANDER REMAINED OUT FROM DAMASCUS FOR NINE MONTHS IN THE COMPAIGN OF CONSTANTINOPLE & DURING THIS PERIOD ALL THE SENIOR SAHABAH AS WELL AS HADHRAT HUSSAIN OFFERED PRAYERS BEHIND YAZID? SIMILARLY IN 50 & 53 A.H. YAZID WAS APPOINTED AS AMIR-UL-HUJJAJ AND IN THIS CAPACITY HE LED MUSLIMS TO PERFORM HAJJ RITES AND RITUALS AND MUSLIMS OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF ISLAM OFFERED THEIR PRAYERS BEHIND HIM.

A QUESTION WAS PUT TO IMAM GHAZZALI WHETHER THERE IS A VALID GROUND FOR CURSING YAZID FOR HIS ALLEGED COMPLICITY IN THE MURDER OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN. THE IMAM GHAZZALI REPLIED AS UNDER:-

"IT IS NOT LAWFUL TO CURSE ANY MUSLIM. ANYONE WHO CURSES A MUSLIM IS HIMSELF ACCURSED. RASUL-ALLAH (SAW) SAID: "A MUSLIM IS NOT GIVEN TO CURSING." BESIDES THE ISLAMIC SHARIAH HAS PROHIBITED US FROM EVEN CURSING THE ANIMALS. HOW THEN IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE TO CURSE ANY MUSLIM WHEN THE HONOUR OF A MUSLIM IS MORE SACRED THAN THE HOLY KABA AS MENTIONED IN A HADITH (IBN MAJAH).

"THE ISLAMIC FAITH OF YAZID IS PROVED WITHOUT ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT. AS REGARDS THE MURDER OF HUSSAIN, THERE IS NO DEFINITE EVIDENCE THAT YAZID EITHER KILLED HIM OR ISSUED ORDERS FOR HIS KILLING OR APPROVED ANY SUCH PLANS. WHEN NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED IN THIS REGARD, HOW WOULD IT BE LAWFUL TO CAST DOUBTS AND ASPERSIONS ON YAZID WHEN ENTERTAINING SUSPICION ABOUT A MUSLIM IS UNLAWFUL IN ISLAM."

ALMIGHTLY ALLAH SAYS IN THE QUR'AN "O YE WHO BELIEVE! SHUN MUCH SUSPICION; FOR LO! SOME SUSPICION IS CRIME. AND SPY NOT, NEITHER BACKBITE ONE ANOTHER. WOULD ONE OF YOU LOVE TO EAT THE FLESH OF HIS DEAD BROTHER? YE ABHOR THAT (SO ABHOR THE OTHER). AND KEEP YOUR DUTY (TO ALLAH)." (49 : 12).

HAZRAT ABU HURAIRAH REPORTED ALLAH'S MESSENGER AS SAYING "DESPISING HIS BROTHER MUSLIM IS ENOUGH EVIL FOR ANY ONE TO DO. EVERY MUSLIM'S BLOOD, PROPERTY AND HONOUR ARE SACRED TO A MUSLIM." (MUSLIM).

IMAM GHAZZALI REITERATES:

"ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT YAZID ORDERED THE KILLING OF HUSSAIN OR LIKED THE KILLING OF HUSSAIN SUCH A PERSON IS ABSOLUTELY FOOL. . . . . . . . ."

"AS REGARDS SAYING (RADIALLAHU ANHA) AFTER THE NAME OF YAZID, THIS IS NOT ONLY PERMISSIBLE BUT COMMENDABLE. IT IS RATHER INCLUDED IN OUR DUA WHEN WE PRAY FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF ALL MUSLIMS AND YAZID WAS CERTAINLY A MOMIN (BELIEVER)." ( ,BERIRUT, P. 288).

THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) HAVE DONE A LOT OF MUD-SLINGING ON THE CONDUCT AND CHARACTER OF YAZID TRYING OUT OF MALICE AND PREJUDICE TO FALSELY PROJECT HIM AS ADDICITED TO WINE AND PASSION ON ACCOUNT OF SHEER ILL-WILL AND ENEMITY. THIS HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MUHAMMAD BIN-AL-HANIFA, THE EIDER BROTHER OF HAZRAT HUSSAIN WHO REMARKED:

"WHATEVER ILL YOU SAY ABOUT HIM (YAZID), I HAVE WITNESSED NONE OF THE SAME. I HAVE STAYED WITH HIM AND FOUND HIM A REGULAR WORSHIPPER (I.E. FAST OBSERVER OF SALAT), WELL WISHER OF OTHERS, FONDER OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF SHARI'AH AND ABIDING BY THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET (SAW)." (VOL. VIII P. 233 ).

NOTES

1. THE SO-CALLED IMAMS OF THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) AND THEIR NEAR RELATIONS NAMED SEVERAL OF THEIR CHILDREN AFTER THE NAMES OF HADHRAT'S ABU BAKR, UMAR USMAN, MUWAIYAH AND YAZID ETC. OUT OF LOVE AND AFFECTION FOR THESE PERSONALITIES. THIS SHOWS THAT THERE WAS NO RANCOUR IN THEIR HEARTS AGAINST THEM AND THEY CONSIDERED THEM LEGITIMATE CALIPHS AND MONARCHS. THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) SHOULD FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF THEIR "IMAMS" IN THIS REGARD. SIMILARLY THE MARRIAGE OF HADHRAT FATIMAH TOOK PLACE ON 21ST MUHARRAM. THE SHIAS (RAFIDIS) INSTEAD OF PROHIBITING NIKAH DURING THE MONTH OF MUHARRAM SHOULD TRY TO REVIVE THIS DEAD SUNNAH AMONG THEIR MIDST.

2.SOMETIME BACK A SHIA MUJTAHID WHILE DELIEVERING A SPEECH ON T.V. ON THE OCCASION OF ASHURA REMARKED: "WHY DO YOU PEOPLE GIVE SO MUCH IMPORTANCE TO THE TRUNK (OF A TREE) ALTHOUGH ITS BRANCES DESERVE MORE CARE AND ATTENTION SINCE THOSE PROVIDE SHADE AND FRUIT."

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE SHIA (RAFIDIS) MUJTAHID MEANT RASUL-ALLAH WHEN HE REFERRED TO TRUNK (OF THE TREE) AND ALI AND HIS CHILDREN IN REGARD TO ITS BRANCHES. SUCH IS THE STRATEGY AND APPROACH OF SHIAS (RAFIDIS) TO DE-THROWN RASUL-ALLAH (SAW) FROM THE PEDESTAL OF HONOUR AND GLORY!!!

STILL THE RAFIDIS DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS THAN SET OF QUESTIONS WHICH THEY'LL NEVER REFUTE:

1) HAZRAT HUSSAIN R.A WENT FROM MAKKAH, HE FIRST REACHED KUFA OR KARBALA?

2) IF HE WENT TO KUFA THEN WHY HE WAS MARTYRED AT KARBALA WHICH IS 100 KMS FAR FROM KUFA???

3) IF YOU CONTINUE THE WAY FROM KARBALA, COMES DAMISHK WHERE HAZRAT YAZID'S KINGDOME WAS THERE... BUT SO HAZRAT HUSSAIN R.A WHERE WAS GOING TO THAT HE GOT MARTYRED AT KARBALA??

4) IF HAZRAT HUSSAIN R.A WAS MARTYRED AT KARBALA THEN WHY RIVER FURAAT (THE EUPHRATES RIVER) WATER WAS CLOSED WHICH IS 20KMS AWAY FROM KARBALA???

5) IF HAZRAT HUSSAIN R.A WENT DIRECT TO KARBALA FROM MAKKAH THEN TELL ME KUFA COMES 1ST THEN HOW COME HE REACHED KARBALA WHILE THE LETTERS WERE SENT BY KUFA PEOPLE????
 

abjad

AlHamd Li'Laah
:wasalam:


to whatever had happen had happened;
the most i can summarize to the present Muslims leaders;
with no questions some problems existed....
and to us is as 'Fitnah'(our test) are we going to hold the Book with its' teachings and sunat Rasul
 

Hammy

Banned
:wasalam:


to whatever had happen had happened;
the most i can summarize to the present Muslims leaders;
with no questions some problems existed....
and to us is as 'Fitnah'(our test) are we going to hold the Book with its' teachings and sunat Rasul

That's right brother... but this is only for our knowledge...
 

Aziboy

Banned
What Do Scholars of Ahl us-Sunnah in the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah)? :

1) Imam Ash-Shafi'i: On one occasion Imam Shafi'i said concerning the Shia,
"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia." and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahadith and adopt them as part of their religion." (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah) *

(Some shia at the time of the Alid Imam Zayd ibn 'Ali demanded that he make a declaration of innocence (tabarra) from whoever disagreed with 'Ali's right to be Imam. When Zayd refused, they rejected him, and became known as the "raafida" or rejectors. Those who followed Imam Zayd became known as Zaydis, and have very little difference from mainstream Islam. The Raafidi evolved into the the various Imami shia sects, the largest of which is the Ithna 'Ashari.)

2) Imam Abu Hanifah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the raafidi Shia; "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."

3) Imam Malik: Once when asked about the raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the sahaba are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)

4) Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the sahaba, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the ProphetSAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the ProphetSAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the sahaba. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation."

5) Imam Al-Alusi: He declared the raafidi Shia disbelievers because of their defamation of the sahaba. His position was based on the rulings of Imam Malik and other scholars. In response to their claim to be followers of the Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet'sSAWS family) Al-Alusi said, "No, they are really followers of the devils and the Ahl al-Bayt are innocent of them."


Among the other contemporary scholars who have expressed similar views are: Sheikh Abdul 'Aziz ibn Baz, Sheikh Nassiraddin Al-Albani, Allama Ash-Shanqiti, Sheikh An-Nashashibi, Imam Ahmad Ameen, and Dr. Rashaad Salim.

Taqiyyah or Calculated Deception

One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq):

"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)

"He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it."

"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)

"Mix with them (i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)

Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing(atqaakum)" , the shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah(dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)

It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah's statement in the Holy Qur'an: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book(Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159)

And the statement of the Prophet SAWS who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)

I should stress that not all who are called shia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of 'Ali.

I am not writing this to insult anyone, nor do I wish to create fitnah. However, when the issue arises, I am compelled to state what I know. Anything I have stated correctly is from Allah, and any mistakes are from myself or shaytan
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
What Do Scholars of Ahl us-Sunnah in the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah)? :

1) Imam Ash-Shafi'i: On one occasion Imam Shafi'i said concerning the Shia,
[COLOR=#333333[COLOR=Blue]]"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood[/COLOR] than the Raafidi* Shia." and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahadith and adopt them as part of their religion." (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah) *[/color]

(Some shia at the time of the Alid Imam Zayd ibn 'Ali demanded that he make a declaration of innocence (tabarra) from whoever disagreed with 'Ali's right to be Imam. When Zayd refused, they rejected him, and became known as the "raafida" or rejectors. Those who followed Imam Zayd became known as Zaydis, and have very little difference from mainstream Islam. The Raafidi evolved into the the various Imami shia sects, the largest of which is the Ithna 'Ashari.)

2) Imam Abu Hanifah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the raafidi Shia; "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."

3) Imam Malik: Once when asked about the raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the sahaba are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)

4) Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the sahaba, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the ProphetSAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the ProphetSAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the sahaba. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation."

5) Imam Al-Alusi: He declared the raafidi Shia disbelievers because of their defamation of the sahaba. His position was based on the rulings of Imam Malik and other scholars. In response to their claim to be followers of the Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet'sSAWS family) Al-Alusi said, "No, they are really followers of the devils and the Ahl al-Bayt are innocent of them."


Among the other contemporary scholars who have expressed similar views are: Sheikh Abdul 'Aziz ibn Baz, Sheikh Nassiraddin Al-Albani, Allama Ash-Shanqiti, Sheikh An-Nashashibi, Imam Ahmad Ameen, and Dr. Rashaad Salim.

Taqiyyah or Calculated Deception

One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq):

"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)

"He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it."

"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)

"Mix with them (i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)

Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing(atqaakum)" , the shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah(dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)

It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah's statement in the Holy Qur'an: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book(Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159)

And the statement of the Prophet SAWS who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)

I should stress that not all who are called shia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of 'Ali.

I am not writing this to insult anyone, nor do I wish to create fitnah. However, when the issue arises, I am compelled to state what I know. Anything I have stated correctly is from Allah, and any mistakes are from myself or shaytan


:wasalam:

"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood

Yes brother you stated as above a sect but here i quote by means of adding something which i have in my heart and will Inshaa Allah yowm L hisaab Allah subhana wa taala..will remove this from my heart.(amin)
...when i was at the age of say 7 or 8, we usually attend at the celebration of 'shia ithnaasheer...(ashura)and they provide 'sweet water with rose' yaani Maa Ward, as children we drink happy, there was no difference between shia and etc, Just here in Arabia i see a lot of just something which will send us no where, just our enemies will reap the harvest.
So, Sunis from saudi arabia they told us
'children don't drink shia they split in a pool of water and they mix with this maa ward' you are drinking'

i want you all who read this imagine how you will feel at (a) that age?
(b)at this age?....is pure lies causing mischief and hatrage i now am doing 70ts i have seen a lot and a lot, I read many books of many religions but have never come across to such as that 'vipers' poison. I was brought up and taught by christiian missioinaries ...but have not been christain I respect those fathers, sisters and uncles of the church.
i studied 'manu' of hindus...but have never been hindu.....i started to learn Shiasect for 8 years let us minus 2 now put to 6 full years but have never been shia, IAM MILAT NABIINA IBRAHIM HANNIFAN WA MAKAANA MINA L KUSHRIKIIN.same our beloved Prohet Muhammad(s.a.w)

i wont repeat your words but resembling.

I am not writing this to insult anyone,
nor do I wish to create fitnah.
However, when the issue arises, I am compelled to state what I have gone through.

and AL Haq Wal Haq Akuul'


however you are my brother in Deen Islam and Allah is the Knower and best of all Judges

asalaam aleykum.

Mr. admin do not delete this post... please leave- it; be read and understood that we here on TTI as a Standard bearesr of Deen ISLAM not sects.

wa aleykum salaam
 

Aziboy

Banned
Respecting others in humanity is a part of Deen, but respecting those you are innovators and all those who commit Shirk is sort of encouraging them in what they are doing.

I personally do not respect anyone for that matter when it comes to Deen and Islam and Tawhid.

Aisha رضي الله عنها reported: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “Whoever performs a deed that is not in accordance with our matter will have it rejected.”
[Sahih Muslim, Book 18, Number 4266]
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
:wasalam:

neither I nor you are 2 Judge, Ours is to hold Kuran Kareem and sunat and sunat rasul.
Do you think that i havent realize the (mishcief of shaitan) concerning other sctst
the only evidence i have is my and your Kitab Kuran Kareem, then i dont see any reason to raise a topic critisizing if you think of the fault of others Correct yours.
brother let us strive hard for Din al Islam-

Allah(subahana LLah wa taala) clearly stated:-

لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَدْ تَبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ﴿
2:256﴾

(2:256) There is no compulsion and coercion in regard to religion.
*285
The right thing has been made distinct from the wrong thing:
now whoever rejects taghut *286
and believes in Allah has taken a firm support that never gives way.

Sadaqa Lllah.

so brothers and sisters

Let us be among the




now whoever rejects taghut * and believes in Allah has taken a firm support that never gives way.

...who
dosen't want that firm support from Allah ?

:salam2:


 

Aziboy

Banned
Jazak Allah brother,

Yes we have to follow only the Qur'an and Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wassallam...

And once we strive in following them, the results are amazing, you could easily differentiate the deviants from the true faith :)

Ma'Salam
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
:salam2:

we need you and you need us.

the case of Prophet Jacob and his sons
the first to be out-of his site how-much he suffered not to mentioned of the 2nd;
Had Prophet Yusuf (aleyhi salaam) punished his only brothers What do you think of Jaacob (a.s)
but by Allahs' Rahmat we learn that not an outsider but within ourselves we can built that Bait of Taqwa
United we fly to the destination of bringing Muslims united that should be our goal to all members and families
bi Idhan Lllah

say 'aamin'

:tti_sister:
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
an invitaion letter to

brother A
after greetings,

SAlu ala Muhammad (Alahuma Sali Wa salim wa baarik Aleyh)
Salaa Llah aleyhi !!!

abtadiu imlaa bi Ismi dhaati L aaliya....salaa Llah Aleyhi

........
.......

do not think it is bad thing to the topic we were but is good thing;
had you not come up with that how would i be able to exercise
that which am striving for? or we are.

keep on and i or we shall be together gathering members to better understand by word deeds or Deen Islam.(Bi Idhn Llah)..amin.
yrs

abuali.
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Brother Hammy,

Syukran for sharing this, very beneficial and it is a slap on the shias face.

The rest of the brothers and sisters, this thread is very good and pls don't do "sign-posting" which lead into unnecessary debate.
 

Hammy

Banned
:wasalam:


Allah(subahana LLah wa taala) clearly stated:-

لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَدْ تَبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ﴿
2:256﴾

(2:256) There is no compulsion and coercion in regard to religion.
*285
The right thing has been made distinct from the wrong thing:
now whoever rejects taghut *286
and believes in Allah has taken a firm support that never gives way.

Sadaqa Lllah.

1st of all brother, dont want to debate with you... tell me what do you understand by this verse? there is no complulsion... you cannot force one to follow the religion what you are following... that person has his own will... who are we to force that person to accept what we want... Neverthless, if that person follows his/her vain desires and you helping them thinking of getting rewards than that deed will be like ashes on which wind will blow and its all over...

If you tell me the killers of Hazrat Ali (ra), Hazrat Uthman (ra), Hassan and Hussain (ra) are good in their way and to help them or whatsover may the reason, their beief is something else... (like Awliyaas and Dargaah worship and even Horses).... how we will unite if AQEEDA is not in place??? we were ignorant at that age of 7 or 8 but now when truth has reached us and you still wanna follow the christians who says Allah has begotten a son.. Nauzubillah... Shia (Rafidas) who curses Sahaba (ra) Hindu's who are totally indluged in ido worship which part you of them would like to follow???​
 

Hammy

Banned
Brother Hammy,

Syukran for sharing this, very beneficial and it is a slap on the shias face.

The rest of the brothers and sisters, this thread is very good and pls don't do "sign-posting" which lead into unnecessary debate.

Wa Hiyyakum Brother Hard Rock Moslem... really, no rafida till now had answered this except for FAIRYTALES... :D
 

Hammy

Banned
:wasalam:
if you are referrring to me pont s then the reply is there on thread no.7

you did not read my whole post... let me ask you once again...
how we will unite if AQEEDA is not in place??? we were ignorant at that age of 7 or 8 but now when truth has reached us and you still wanna follow the christians who says Allah has begotten a son.. Nauzubillah... Shia (Rafidas) who curses Sahaba (ra) Hindu's who are totally indluged in ido worship which part you of them would like to follow???

Now tell which part of it would you like to do with them???
 

kalamazoo

'Millat "IBRAHIM" {AleyhiSalaam}
:wasalam:

"I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood

Yes brother you stated as above a sect but here i quote by means of adding something which i have in my heart and will Inshaa Allah yowm L hisaab Allah subhana wa taala..will remove this from my heart.(amin)
...when i was at the age of say 7 or 8, we usually attend at the celebration of 'shia ithnaasheer...(ashura)and they provide 'sweet water with rose' yaani Maa Ward, as children we drink happy, there was no difference between shia and etc, Just here in Arabia i see a lot of just something which will send us no where, just our enemies will reap the harvest.
So, Sunis from saudi arabia they told us
'children don't drink shia they split in a pool of water and they mix with this maa ward' you are drinking'

i want you all who read this imagine how you will feel at (a) that age?
(b)at this age?....is pure lies causing mischief and hatrage i now am doing 70ts i have seen a lot and a lot, I read many books of many religions but have never come across to such as that 'vipers' poison. I was brought up and taught by christiian missioinaries ...but have not been christain I respect those fathers, sisters and uncles of the church.
i studied 'manu' of hindus...but have never been hindu.....i started to learn Shiasect for 8 years let us minus 2 now put to 6 full years but have never been shia[COLORRed"]"], IAM MILAT NABIINA IBRAHIM HANNIFAN WA MAKAANA MINA LMUSHRIKIIN.same our beloved Prohet Muhammad[/COLOR](s.a.w)[/COLOR]i wont repeat your words but resembling.

I am not writing this to insult anyone,
nor do I wish to create fitnah.
However, when the issue arises, I am compelled to state what I have gone through.

and AL Haq Wal Haq Akuul'


however you are my brother in Deen Islam and Allah is the Knower and best of all Judges

asalaam aleykum.

Mr. admin do not delete this post... please leave- it; be read and understood that we here on TTI as a Standard bearesr of Deen ISLAM not sects.

wa aleykum salaam

:wasalam:

i think you too did not read me clearly as see the bolded BLACK
 
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