A QUESTION haunting me about animals

sky_012

Junior Member
:salam2:
i hope you are all in best of health and faith

there is something bothering me for quite some time now and i don't manage to find the answer of it
please can someone have the kindness to read my full question and reply to it

we all know Allah SWT made the process of nature in a certain way, he gave "powers" to each of us, that's why the one which has the strength eats others
like lions have to eat meat
some animals have to eat fish to survive

sometimes when you watch a scene of 3 lions attacking poor animal which is alone drinking water, you feel it's kind of cruel
sometimes they hurt its legs and don't eat it,
and after much much pain and suffer the animal finally dies

but at the end , you can't really blame those eating animals, because they also have to survive, it's not really their fault

but when you are fishing, the poor fish suffers, even some minutes before dying
the poor animals we eat , non only finish in our stomach, but before that, they have pain

so why is it so? if God created all this process, why for instance He didn't do it in such a way that the things we eat don't have to suffer?

i 'm not saying the process is bad Astagfirullah, i'm just trying to understand with my little mind, and i know behind every thing there is a reason

please don't speak about pain humans have, i'm not trying to defend animals against humans or starting this type of debate, it' just a general question because it also concerns animals eating other animals but also humans eating animals

if the question isn't clear, i will try to formulate in another way
and if it's bad to ask such types of questions pkease do tell me

Jazak Allah
 

massi

Junior Member
:salam2:
i just want you share with me this Fatwa :SMILY259:
Why do children suffer in this world?

Question:
I tried to call a cooleague of mine to belief in God, and to Islam. He said that his main barrier to belief in existence of God was the puzzle that totally innocent children go through pain and suffering on Earth, and that he could not understand why, if a God existed, this could be allowed to happen.
I gave it some thought, and came up with an answer, but would like your comments too before communicating to him the answer. I wouldn't like to tell you about my answer since it might affect your original thinking.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

All people should know that Allaah is All Wise, and that there is great wisdom behind His commands and decrees. He may let His slaves or some of them know the wisdom behind them, or it may be concealed from them as a test and a trial.

What He decrees in general matters happens for a general reason, such as sending the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah has told us that He sent him as a Mercy to the worlds. And similarly He created the jinn and mankind so that they might believe in Him and worship Him alone.

Ibn Taymiyah said:

Based on this, everything that He does, we know that there is wisdom behind it. This is sufficient for us in general terms, even if we do not know the details. Our lack of knowledge about the details of His wisdom is like our lack of knowledge about the details of His Essence. Just as it is proven that His attributes are perfect but we cannot know how His Essence is, so we do not reject what we know and are sure of (that He is perfect) because of what we do know (the details of His perfection). Similarly we know that He is All-Wise in all that He does and commands. The fact that we may not know the wisdom behind some minor decrees and issues should not undermine the basic principle of what we know of His wisdom. So we should not deny what we know of His wisdom because we do not know all the details of His wisdom. We know that whoever realizes the brilliance of mathematicians, doctors and grammarians but does not share their attributes by virtue of which they deserve prominence, cannot criticize what they say because he does not comprehend what they are saying. People are less likely to understand the wisdom of Allaah in His creation than the common man is to understand mathematics, medicine and grammar. So objecting to Allaah’s wisdom is more ignorant and the one who does that is worse off than an ignorant man who criticizes mathematics, medicine and grammar without having any knowledge of these disciplines.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 6/128

Undoubtedly in Allaah’s allowing children to suffer there is great wisdom which may be hidden from some people, thus they object to the Divine decree and the Shaytaan takes advantage of this issue to turn him away from the truth and right guidance.

Among the reasons why Allaah allows children to suffer are the following:

1- It is a means to show that the child is sick or in pain; if it were not for that suffering it would not be known what sickness he is suffering from.

2- The crying that is caused by the pain brings great benefits to the child’s body.

3- Learning lessons: the family of this child may be committing haraam actions or neglecting obligatory duties, but when they see the suffering of their child, that prompts them to give up those haraam actions such as consuming riba, committing zina, not praying or smoking, especially if the child’s suffering is due to an illness that they caused, as happens in the case of some of the haraam things mentioned above.

4- Thinking about the Hereafter, for there is no true happiness and peace except in Paradise; there is no suffering and pain there, only good health, well-being and happiness. And thinking about Hell, for that is the abode of eternal and never-ending pain and suffering. So one will do that which will bring him nearer to Paradise and take him further away from Hell.

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah said:

Then think about the wisdom of Allaah in causing children to cry a lot, and the benefits that that brings to them. The doctors and naturalists have attested to the benefits of that and the wisdom behind it. They said: There is moisture in children’s brains which, if it were to remain in their brains, would cause a great deal of harm. So crying draws that moisture out and drains it from their brains, which makes them stronger and healthier.

Moreover, crying and yelling widens the breathing passages and veins, and strengthens them, and it strengthens the nerves.

How greatly do children benefit from the crying and yelling that we hear from them. If this is the wisdom with regard to crying that is caused by pain and the wisdom behind this never crossed your mind, the same applies to the suffering of children and its causes and good consequences. There is a great deal of wisdom that may be hidden from most of the people and they are greatly confused about it.

Miftaah Daar al-Sa’aadah, 2/228.

He also said:

These pains are one of the inherent features of man’s development from which no man or animal can be free. If man were free of pain he would not be a man, rather he would be an angel or some other creature.

Children’s pain is not more difficult than the pain experienced by grownups, but grownups have become accustomed to pain so it is no longer a big issue for them. What a great difference there is between what a child suffers and what a rational adult suffers.

All of that is one of the main aspects of the human condition. If man were not created like that he would be a different creature. What do you think if a child gets hungry or thirsty or cold or tired – is it something that he was singled out for and tested with that the grownups are not tested with? Man – and indeed animals – have been created on this basis.

They said: If someone were to ask: Why has man been created thus? Why was he not created without this vulnerability to pain and suffering?

This is a flawed question, because Allaah has created him in a world of trials from a weak substance. So he is vulnerable to diseases and suffering, and Allaah has created him in such a way that he is vulnerable to all kinds of pain…

The fact that these pains and pleasures coexist is one of the signs of the Hereafter, for divine wisdom has decreed that there should be two abodes: an abode that is devoted fully to pleasure, in which there is no pain at all, and an abode that is devoted fully to pain in which there is no pleasure at all. The former abode is Paradise and the latter abode is Hell.

Miftaah Daar al-Sa’aadah, 2/230, 231.

And Allaah knows best.

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sky_012

Junior Member
i read very carefully your reply and i agree with it
but as i was suspecting in the beginning , you didn't understand my question
in fact, i would say yes there is a reason behind
if there are poor people around the world and poor kids, it's because of us humans, it's not natural catastrophies that destroy houses more than humans selfishness that destroy other lives, because we are selfish and dis-honest
if huumans were good people, there wouldn't be pain in this world

now coming to illness, of course we aren't perfect and we don't have all knowledge and wisdom even of our own body and how is made, and yes Allah SWT make some people ill to test them, and they suffer, but in reality Allah SWT only test people He love or to punish us if we do a mistake sothat we realize our mistake and realize pain in hell etc...

all you said i agree

i also understand if when a woman gives birht to a baby, it is painful, but there is also a wisdom behind it

all i want to know is that what is the wisdom behind the fact that when we eat an animal, or an animal eats an animal (a natural process), when is there pain involved in it?
because animals don't go to hell or jannah
so why the poor fish has to suffer before beeing eaten by us or by a bigger fish?
why do animals suffer in this specific process of eating each other?

i'm not asking about the scientific experiments done on them etc....

again if children suffer in this world, it is due to you and me, not that Allah SWT let them like that
 
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