Allah's attributes as understood by the Four Imams

Bluegazer

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum,


There's a thread that was recently closed called "Two SERIOUS questions breaking my heart!!!".


There were two questions at the beginning of the thread. The first was the following:

1) Som Sunnis (especially Asharis [الأشاعرة]) accuse Salafis that they are Mushabbiha and Mujassima (مشبهة و مجسمة), i.e., Salafis, according to the accusers, take statements that "God walks" and "God's hand" and "God on the throne" literally, and accuse them also that, at the same time, they claim they are not Mushabbiha or Mujassima. Do Salafis really take the descriptions of God swt literally and physically or is this just a rumor to defame Salafis?


I have replied in post no. 2 on that thread showing the correct way to believe in the Attributes of Allah according to how the Comapnions [may Allah be pleased with them, a.k.a the Salaf] understood the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah. The following is a link to my post:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92967&postcount=2


A lot of discussion took place on that thread. Brother alkathiri posted the following on post no.9 on that thread:

What aqeedah were the 4 imams upon?

They follow the aqeedah of salaf. This is proven by Dr Muhammad bin Abdul Rahman alKhumais and is given for free to those coming for hajj in Saudi Arabia during every hajj season. This book is call 'I'tiqad Aimmatil Arba'ah (Akidah of the Imam Madzhab). Try asking those who came back from Hajj and it is given for free by the Saudi government

Source: http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93054&postcount=9


To begin with, I'd like to thank brother alkathiri for sharing this information.


This book [The Creed of the Four Imams by Muhammad ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Khumayyis] is available for free on the internet.


The following is a link to the PDF file that contains the book in its original Arabic language:

http://books.islamway.com/1/mohammadAlkamees/e3tekad_al2a2emma_al2arba3ah.pdf.pdf


And the following is a link to the PDF file that contains the English translation of the book:

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/creed_4_imaams.pdf


The term "Four Imams" refers to the famous four great scholars Abu Hanifa, Maalik ibn Anas, Ash-Shaafi'i and Ahmad ibn Hanbal [may Allah have mercy on them all].


From the English translation, I shall mention some of what the Four Imams had to say about the belief in Allah's attributes. By clicking on the link to the English translation [mentioned above], you shall read references in the footnotes that tell you the source of these statements:


1- Imam Abu Hanifa

Allaah is not to be described with the attributes of the creation. And His Anger and His Pleasure are two Attributes from His Attributes, without inquiry into their modality (bilaa kayf, and this is the statement of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. He becomes Angry, and He becomes pleased, and it is not to be said: His Anger is His Punishment and His Pleasure is His Reward. And we describe Him as He described Himself, One, Eternal, He does not beget, nor is He begotten, and there is none equal to Him, the Ever-Living, All-Capable, All-Hearing, EverWatchful, All-Knowing. The Hand of Allaah is above their hands. It is not like the hands of His creation, and His Face is not like the faces of His creation.


And He has a Hand and a Face and an Essence (dhaat), as Allaah the Exalted mentions in the Qur'aan. So whatever Allaah the Exalted mentioned in the Qur'aan in regards to the Face and the Hand and the Essence, then these are His Attributes without inquiry into their modality (bilaa kayf). And it is not to be said that His Hand is His Power, or His Bounty (ni'mah), because it is nullification of the Attribute, and it is the statement of the people of a l-Qadar and al-I'tizaal.


He descends, without inquiry into the modality of it.


The Hand of Allaah is above their hands, not like the hands of His creations.



2- Imam Maalik

And Aboo Nu'aym relates from Ja'far Ibn 'Abdullaah who said, `We were with Maalik Ibn Anas, so a man came, so he said, "O Abaa 'Abdullaah, "The Most Merciful has ascended above His Throne," [Soorah Taa Haa 20:5] How has He ascended?' So anger came over Maalik, such that no affair like this had ever caused to come over him. So he looked towards the earth and scratched with his cane in his hand, until he raised his hand and wiped the sweat from his forehead, tossed the cane aside, and said, 'The modality (kayf of it cannot be comprehended by the intellect, and al-istiwaa' (ascent) is not unknown, and having faith in it is obligatory, and the question concerning it is an innovation. And I think that you are a person of innovation,' and he commanded him to leave."


3- Imam As-Shaafi'i

The statement concerning the Sunnah, which I am upon and which I have seen our companions, the people of hadeeth, to be upon, those whom I have seen and taken from like Sufyaan and Maalik and other than these two is the affirmation of the testimony that there is no deity worthy of worship besides Allaah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah; and that Allaah the Exalted is above His Throne, above the sky (fis-sama)** He draws close to His creation how ever He wishes, and that Allaah the Exalted descends to the lowest heaven how ever He wishes.


** I think I should add here what footnote no. 109 found on page 23 of the English translation:

A present -day caller to innovation says in his article, Is it Permissible to Believe that Allah is in the Sky in a Literal Sense, "The literal sense of being "in the sky" would mean that Allah is actually in one of His creatures, for the sky is something created. It is not permissible to believe that Allah indwells or occupies (in Arabic, hulul) any of His creatures, as the Christians believe about Jesus, or the Hindus about their avatars." Here, in his attack of the phrase used by the Salaf, 'fissamaa" this kingpin of innovation shows his utter ignorance of the Arabic language. Since, the statement 'in the sky' means `above the sky' and this is known in the Arabic language. So the prepositions alternate with each other, and this is known from the Qur'aan, as is found in the statement of Allaah the Exalted, وَلأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ فِي جُذُوعِ النَّخْلِ "So I will crucify you in (fee) the trunks of palm trees." [Soorah Taa Haa 20:151] That is to say, 'alaa (upon) the trunks of palm trees. And there is His statement, فَامْشُوا فِي مَنَاكِبِهَا "And walk in (fee) its slopes..." [Qur'an 67:15]


What footnote 109 basically means is that the word fee في in Arabic has two meanings. The first is the very recognizable "in" and the other is the less recognizable "upon" or "above". So, when Imam As-Shaafi'i said that Allah fis-samaa, it does not mean that he meant that Allah dwells in the sky [exalted is Allah the Almighty above dwelling in or being part of His creation] but it means that Allah is above the sky.


4- Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal

And Ibn Abee Ya'laa relates from Abee Bakr al-Marwazee who said, 'I asked Ahmad Ibn Hanbal about the ahaadeeth which are rejected by the Jahmiyyah in regards to the Attributes and the ru'yah, and the isma' and the story of the Throne, so he declared them authentic and said, `The Ummah has received them with acceptance, so pass them on as they have come.'


Note: ru'yah means the ability of the believers to see God Almighty in the Hereafter, and isma' is a mistake which should have been written as isra' meaning the Prophet's [peace be upon him] Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then up through the heavens. I found out this mistake because the corresponding word in the Arabic original is الإسراء .



I hope I was able to clearly present how the Four Imams [may Allah have mercy on them] believed in Allah's attributes.


Regards,

Bluegazer

Wassalamu Alaikum
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
Imam Ghazali

Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters,

i got a present for all of you but you must be able to read arabic ( sorry :SMILY335: ). Check out my pdf.



Syeikh Ibn Taimiyah rh. menyatakan bahawa al-Ghazali pada akhir hayatnya telah kembali berpegang kepada Ahl Sunnah wa al-Jamaa'ah. Beliau telah mengkhususkan kepada al-Quram dan Sunnah, dan beliau mengkritik ilmu kalam dan cabang-cabangnya. al-Ghazali menasihatkan ummah untuk kembali kepada kitab Allah dan Sunna Rasulullah :saw, dan mengamalkan apa yang mereka amalkan, sebagaimana juga jalan para sahabat. (Majmu' Fataawa, 4/71)


Diantara intipati penting buku al-Ghazali yang berjudul iljam al-awwaam adalah:
- beliau mendakwa bahwa mazhab yang sebenar adalah Mazhab para Salaf kerana is merupakan Mazhab para Sahabat dan Tabien.
- mengkritik ahli-ahli kalam yang menta'wil sifat Allah swt didalam proses memurniakan ilmu kalam.



Translation( to my best ability)

Sheikh ibn Taimiyah rh said that al Ghazali during his last few moments of his life came back to Ahl Sunnah wa al-Jamaa'ah. He prioritise Al Quran and Sunna ,and he criticise kalam and its branches . al ghazali advice the ummah to come back to Alquran and sunna of Rasullah SAW and do what they( salaf) do , as shown by the sahaba (Majmu' Fataawa, 4/71)

In Al ghazali's book, iljam al-awwaam :
-he said the corect mazhab is the mazhab of salaf as this is the mazhab of sahaba and tabi'in

-he criticise the people of kalam who ta'wil Allah swt attributes who want to beautify the knowledge of kalam


Adaptation frm: www.saaid.net/feraq/el3aedoon/25.htm
Takbir Allahu akbar...
 

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Bluegazer

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum brother alkathiri,


Thank you for your kind words and for the information about Imam Al-Ghazaali [may Allah have mercy on him]. I hope you'll find the following religious opinion [fatwa] interesting and informative.


It the answer of Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid to question no. 1347 [Who was al-Ghazzaali?]. I hope you read it carefully, especially the last part I coloured red:



Question:

Could you shed some light on who Imam al Ghazzali was?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Al-Ghazzaali was Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Toosi, who was known as al-Ghazzaali. He was born in Toos in 450 AH. His father used to spin wool and sell it in his shop in Toos.

The life of al-Ghazzaali needs to be discussed at length because he went through a number of stages. He indulged in philosophy, then he recanted and rejected that. After that he indulged in what is known as ‘ilm al-kalaam (Islamic philosophy) and gained a sound grasp of its basic principles; then he rejected that after it became clear to him that it was corrupt and filled with contradictions. He was focusing on ‘ilm al-kalaam during the period when he refuted philosophy, and at that time he was given the title of Hujjat al-Islam, after he had refuted the arguments of the philosophers. Then he recanted ‘ilm al-kalaam and turned away from it. He followed the path of the Baatiniyyah (esotericists) and learned their knowledge, but then he rejected that and showed the beliefs of the Baatiniyyah to be false, and exposed the manner in which they tamper with the texts and rulings. Then he followed the path of Sufism. These are the four stages that al-Ghazzaali went through. Shaykh Abu ‘Umar ibn al-Salaah (may Allaah have mercy on him) spoke well of him when he said: “A lot has been said about Abu Haamid and a lot has been narrated from him. As for these books – meaning al-Ghazzaali’s books which contradict the truth – no attention should be paid to them. As for the man himself, we should keep quiet about him, and refer his case to Allaah.” See Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali wa’l-Tasawwuf by ‘Abd al-Rahmaan Dimashqiyyah.

No fair-minded person would deny the rare level of intelligence, ingenuity and cleverness that Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali attained. Al-Dhahabi said of him: “Al-Ghazzaali, the imaam and shaykh, the prominent scholar, Hujjat al-Islam, the wonder of his time, Zayn al-Deem Abu Haamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Toosi al-Shaafa’i al-Ghazzaali, the author of many books and one possessed of utter intelligence. He studied fiqh in his own town, then he moved to Nisapur in the company of a group of students. He stayed with the Imaam al-Haramayn and gained a deep knowledge of fiqh within a short period. He became well-versed in ‘ilm al-kalaam and debate, until he became the best of debaters…” (Siyar A’laam al-Nubala’, part 9, p. 323)

You will find that even though Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali had such a deep knowledge of fiqh, Sufism, ‘ilm al-kalaam, usool al-fiqh, etc., and even though he was such an ascetic and devoted worshipper, and had such a good intention and vast knowledge of Islamic sciences, he still had an inclination towards philosophy. But his philosophy emerged in the form of Sufism and was expressed through Islamic ideas. Hence the Muslim scholars, including his closest companion Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi, refuted his ideas. Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: Our shaykh Abu Haamid went deep into philosophy, then he wanted to come out of it but he was unable to. There were narrated from him opinions which sound like the Baatini way of speaking, and that may be verified by looking in al-Ghazzaali’s books. See Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 66.

Even though al-Ghazzaali was very advanced in knowledge, he had little knowledge of hadeeth and its sciences, and he could not distinguish between sound ahaadeeth and weak ones. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “If we assume that someone narrated the view of the salaf but what he narrated is far removed from what the view of the salaf actually is, then he has little knowledge of the view of the salaf, such as Abu’l-Ma’aali, Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, Ibn al-Khateeb and the like, who did not have enough knowledge of hadeeth to qualify them as ordinary scholars of hadeeth, let alone as prominent scholars in that field. For none of these people had any knowledge of al-Bukhaari and Muslim and their ahaadeeth, apart from what they heard, which is similar to the situation of the ordinary Muslim, who cannot distinguish between a hadeeth which is regarded as saheeh and mutawaatir according to the scholars of hadeeth, and a hadeeth which is fabricated and false. Their books bear witness to that, for they contain strange things and most of these scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam and Sufis who have drifted away from the path of the salaf admit that, either at the time of death or before death. There are many such well-known stories. This Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allaah, his knowledge of kalaam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 71).

He also said: Hence, even though Abu Haamid refuted the philosophers and classed them as kaafirs, and expressed veneration of Prophethood [as opposed to philosophy], etc., and even though some of what he says is true and good, and indeed of great benefit, nevertheless some of his writings contain philosophical material and matters where he followed the corrupt principles of philosophy that contradict Prophethood and even contradict sound common sense. Hence a group of scholars from Khurasaan, Iraq and the Maghreb criticized him, such as his friend Abu Ishaaq al-Margheenaani, Abu’l-Wafa’ ibn ‘Aqeel, al-Qushayri, al-Tartooshi, Ibn Rushd, al-Maaziri and a group of earlier scholars. This was even mentioned by Shaykh Abu ‘Amr ibn al-Salaah in his book Tabaqaat Ashaab al-Shaafa’i, and was confirmed by Shaykh Abu Zakariya al-Nawawi, who said in his book: “Chapter explaining some important things for which Imaam al-Ghazzaali was denounced in his books which were unacceptable to the scholars of his madhhab and others, namely his odd statements such as what he said in Muqaddimat al-Mantiq at the beginning of al-Mustasfa: ‘This is the introduction to all knowledge, and whoever does not learn this, his knowledge cannot be trusted at all.’”

Shaykh Abu ‘Amr said: “I heard Shaykh al-‘Imaad ibn Yoonus narrating from Yoosuf al-Dimashqi, the teacher of al-Nizaamiyyah in Baghdad, who was one of the famous deans of the school, that he used to denounce these words and say, “Abu Bakr and ‘Umar and So-and-so and So-and-so…” meaning that these great leaders had a great deal of certainty and faith even though they had no knowledge of this Muqaddimah and of any of the ideas contained in it.” (al-‘Aqeedah al-Isfahaaniyyah, part 1, p. 169).

Al-Dhahabi narrated in his book Siyar A’laam al-Nubala’ that Muhammad ibn al-Waleed al-Tartooshi said in a letter which he sent to Ibn Muzaffar: As for what you mentioned about Abu Haamid, I have seen him and spoken to him, and I think that he is a man of great knowledge, he is intelligent and capable, and has been studying all of his life, spending most of his time in study, but then he drifted away from the path of the scholars and entered the crowd of worshippers. Then he became a Sufi and forsook knowledge and its people, then he got involved with “inspiration”, those who claim to have spiritual knowledge, and the insinuating whispers of the Shaytaan. Then he mixed that with the views of the philosophers and the symbolic phrases of al-Hallaaj, and he started to criticize the fuqaha’ and the scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam. He almost went astray from the religion altogether. When he wrote al-Ihya’ [i.e., Ihya’ ‘Uloom al-Deen], he started to speak of the inspiration and symbolic words of the Sufis, although he was not qualified to do that and had no deep knowledge of such matters. Hence he failed, and filled his book with fabricated reports.

I (al-Dhahabi) say: as for al-Ihya’, it contains many false ahaadeeth, and it contains much that is good. I wish that it did not contain etiquette, rituals and asceticism that are in accordance with the ways of the philosophers and deviant Sufis. We ask Allaah for beneficial knowledge. Do you know what is beneficial knowledge? It is that which Allaah revealed in the Qur’aan, which was explained by the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in word and deed, and the type of knowledge which we are not forbidden to acquire. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever turns away from my Sunnah does not belong to me.” So, my brother, you must ponder the words of Allaah and persist in studying al-Saheehayn, Sunan al-Nasaa’i, Riyaadh al-Nawawi and al-Adhkaar by al-Nawawi, then you will succeed and prosper.

Beware of the opinions of the philosophers, the practice of spiritual exercises, the starvation of monks, and the nonsense talk of those who stay alone for long periods in their monasteries. All goodness is to be found in following the pure and tolerant way of the haneefs. And seek the help of Allaah. O Allaah, guide us to Your straight path.

Al-Maaziri praised Abu Haamid with regard to fiqh, and said that he had more knowledge of fiqh than of usool al-fiqh (the basic principles of fiqh). With regard to ‘ilm al-kalaam which is usool al-deen, he wrote books in this field, but he did not have deep knowledge of it. I realized that he was lacking in experience in this field, because he studied the branches of philosophy before he studied usool al-fiqh, so philosophy made him audacious in criticizing ideas and attacking facts, because philosophy goes along with one’s train of thought, without any shar’i guidelines.

A friend of his told me that he spent a lot of time studying Rasaa’il Ikhwaan al-Safa, which contains fifty-one essays. It was written by someone who has studied sharee’ah and philosophy, then had mixed the two. He was a man who was known as Ibn Seena, who filled the world with his books. He had a good knowledge of philosophy, which led him to try to refer all the basic principles of ‘aqeedah to philosophy. He strove hard and achieved what others had failed to do. I have seen some of his books and I noticed that Abu Haamid quotes him a great deal when he speaks of philosophy. With regard to Sufi views, I do not know where he got them from, but I have seen that some of his companions mention the books of Ibn Seena and their contents, and he also mentioned the books of Abu Hayyaan al-Tawheedi. As far as I am concerned, he picked up his Sufi ideas from him. I was told that Abu Hayyaan wrote a huge book about these Sufi ideas, and al-Ihya’ contains a lot of baseless ideas… then he said: In al-Ihya’ he mentioned ideas that have no basis, such as starting with the index finger when cutting the nails because it is superior to the other fingers, as it is the finger used in tasbeeh; then moving on to the middle finger because it is to the right of the index finger, and ending with the thumb of the right hand. He narrated a report concerning that.

I (al-Dhahabi) say: this is a fabricated report. Abu’l-Faraj al-Jawzi said: Abu Haamid wrote al-Ihya’ and filled it with fabricated ahaadeeth which he did not know were fabricated. He spoke of inspiration and deviated from the framework of fiqh. He said that what is meant by the stars, moon and sun that Ibraaheem saw was the barriers of light that keep a person from Allaah, not the things that are well known. This is like the words of the Baatiniyyah.

(Siyar A’laam al-Nubala’, part 19, p. 340).

Then at the end of his life, al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him) came back to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. He focused on the Qur’aan and Sunnah and condemned ‘ilm al-kalaam and its proponents. He advised the ummah to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and to act in accordance with them, as was the way of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them and those who follow them in truth until the Day of Judgement). Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: After that he came back to the path of the scholars of hadeeth, and wrote Iljaam al-‘Awwaam ‘an ‘Ilm al-Kalaam.

(Majmoo Fataawa, part 4, p. 72)

A glance at Iljaam al-‘Awwaam ‘an ‘Ilm al-Kalaam will prove to us that he had indeed changed in many ways:

1 – In this book he advocated the belief of the salaf, and pointed out that the way of the salaf was the truth, and that whoever went against them was an innovator or follower of bid’ah.

2 – He emphatically denounced ta’weel (interpretation of the attributes of Allaah in a manner that differs from their apparent meaning). He advocated affirming the attributes of Allaah and not misinterpreting them in a manner that would lead to denying the attributes of Allaah.

3 – He emphatically denounced the scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam and described all their principles and standards as “reprehensible innovations” which had harmed a great number of people and created trouble for the Muslims. He said: “The harm caused to a great number of people is something that has been seen, witnessed and experienced. The evil that has resulted since ‘ilm al-kalaam began has become widespread even though people at the time of the Sahaabah forbade that. This is also indicated by the fact that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah, by consensus, did not follow the way of the scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam when they produced arguments and evidence and analysis. That was not because they were incapable of doing so; if they had thought that was something good, they would have done it in the best manner, and they would have studied the matter hard, more than they did with regard to the division of the estate among the heirs (al-faraa’id).”

He also said: “The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) needed to prove the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the Jews and Christians, but they did not add anything to the evidence of the Qur’aan; they did not resort to arguments or lay down philosophical principles. That was because they knew that doing so would provoke trouble and cause confusion. Whoever is not convinced by the evidence of the Qur’aan will not be convinced by anything other than the sword, for there is no proof after the proof of Allaah.”


See Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali wa’l-Tasawwuf.

These are a few of the comments that trustworthy scholars have made about al-Ghazzaali (may Allaah have mercy on him). Perhaps this is enough for those who wish to be guided. And Allaah is the Guide to the straight path.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=13473&ln=eng


Best regards,

Bluegazer

Wassalamu Alaikum
 

Globalpeace

Banned
W-Salam,

Change my mind about what?

About HATING Ashar'ees & Maturedees? No Chance!

I am ON the Aqeedah of the Salaf but I will NOT slate, degrade, humiliate anyone who disagrees with me...I am ALSO not interested in labelling a vast majority of Muslim Scholars as misguided or deviants...

But then that's me & I am weird!

I will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for my actions & they will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for their actions.

JazakAllah khair akhi...

:hearts:

Plz brothers and sisters , if you dont understand, you ask.

Aqeedah is important

PS: i have read some of the comments from the previous locked thread , i find some of the comments funny( really !!!!)

I am going all out to help people in this inshAllah , i hope bro Blueglazer help me...inshAllah

Although my aqeedah is different from Ashari, i still love them as they are my brothers whatever it is.........

PS: i hope bro GP change his mind about his stand
 

hussain.mahammed

a lonely traveller
Jazakumullah khair brothers and sisters. I am gaining some views of these stuffs.
We need to stick to Quran and Sunnah. Thats the bottomline.
Agreed with bhaijan GP, we should not label anybody as misguided or deviants. We have to answer for our deeds to Allah Subhanahu wa Taala.
wa/salam
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
W-Salam,

Change my mind about what?

About HATING Ashar'ees & Maturedees? No Chance!

I am ON the Aqeedah of the Salaf but I will NOT slate, degrade, humiliate anyone who disagrees with me...I am ALSO not interested in labelling a vast majority of Muslim Scholars as misguided or deviants...

But then that's me & I am weird!

I will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for my actions & they will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for their actions.

Im sorry. My fault
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Asslamo Allaikum,

Dude! Chill...

I know precisely what you were saying and you know precisely what I am saying.

Its friendly banter, thats all.

I have sent you the link of my teacher in 1995 who uttered those words, so don't worry, we had detailed discussions about the history of Asha'rees

This issue (historically) is covered in 7 volumes of Saviours of Islamic Spirit by Shaykh Abul-Hasan Ali Nadwi (RA), if you are interested to know what happened and why Khalaf took that particular stance at that time & now no longer ascribe to it!

Im sorry. My fault
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
:salam2:

This is a general message:

Imam Abu Hasan alAsy'ari during near end of his life repent and return to salaf as written in his book 'alIbanah' .

I seriously wouldnt want to follow Shaykh Abul Hassan Al Nadwi. I was listening to a lecture from a mufti from Malaysia . He commented abt Shaykh Al Nadwi. He was saying abt tarekat. I dont dare to translate because im afraid i might make fitnah against him . Pls read arguments/ books against Al Nadwi .
 
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