Announcement: Hajj and Eid Al Adha dates announced

acedoc

Junior Member
Announcement concerning the beginning date of Dhul Hijjah
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It was announced tonight in Mekkah Mukarramah that the crescent moon of the month of Dhul Hijjah was officialy sighted, thus making Thursday , corresponding to 21 December 2006, the first day of the month of Dhul Hijjah for the Hijri year 1427


Thus, the Day of Arafat, 9 Dhul Hijjah, will be on Friday, corresponding to 29 December 2006.

We ask Allaah to help us in remembering Him, praising Him, and perfecting His worship.
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
:salam2:
JazakAllahu Khair for announcing this.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This means I can't fast on the Day of Arafat since it's on a Friday, of all days! I'm very frusterated right now.
 

Marwa17

Junior Member
you can still fast...are you talking about the fact that muslims have to fast another day with friday? if so, allah allows us to fast arafat by itself....or are you referring to something else i am not aware of?
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
you can still fast...are you talking about the fact that muslims have to fast another day with friday? if so, allah allows us to fast arafat by itself....or are you referring to something else i am not aware of?

:salam2:
No, personal issues with Friday...

Anyways, wouldn't Dhul-Hijjah start at different times for each continent since North America hasn't seen the Crescent Moon yet?
 

acedoc

Junior Member
""This means I can't fast on the Day of Arafat since it's on a Friday""

:salam2:
JazakAllahu Khair for announcing this.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This means I can't fast on the Day of Arafat since it's on a Friday, of all days! I'm very frusterated right now.


Brother, you may still fast on Friday (Day of Arafa) Insha Allah. The ruling that you are reffering to about fasting on Friday alone is absolutely TRUE...and yes we should either fast on the Thursday or Saturday if we want to do a suprobligatory fasting on a Friday. That would mean that we can fast on day before Yaum Al Arafa..but not on the day of Eid (since it is prohibited to fast on Eid day). I am not certain if you can fast ONLY on Friday if the Day of Araafa falls on it. May be someone else can bring us a ruling from an authentic source on this issue. It is acuttally a blessing from Allah that He gave us opportunity this year to fast TWO days this year.

May Allah accept from you.
 

acedoc

Junior Member
Virtues of day of Araafa

Virtues of the Day of Arafaah

Question:
What are the Virtues of the Day of Arafaah ?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

1. It is the day on which the religion was perfected and Allaah’s Favour was completed.

In Al-Saheehayn it was reported from ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a Jewish man said to him, “O Ameer al-Mu’mineen, there is an aayah in your Book which you recite; if it had come to us Jews, we would have taken that day as an ‘Eid (festival).” ‘Umar said, “Which aayah?” He said: “This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [al-Maa’idah 5:3 – interpretation of the meaning]. ‘Umar said, “We know on which day and in which place that was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It was when he was standing in ‘Arafaah on a Friday.”

2. It is a day of Eid for the people who are in that place.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Yawm ‘Arafaah (the day of ‘Arafaah), Yawm al-Nahr (the Day of Sacrifice) and Ayyaam al-Tashreeq (the 3 days following Yawm al-Nahr) are Eid (festival) for us, the people of Islam. These are days of eating and drinking.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan. It was reported that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: “It – i.e., the aayah ‘This day I have perfected…’ was revealed on a Friday, the Day of ‘Arafaah, both of which – praise be to Allaah – are Eids for us.”

3. It is a day by which Allaah swore an oath.

The Almighty cannot swear by anything except that which is mighty. Yawm ‘Arafaah is the “witnessed day” mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“By the witnessing day [Friday] and by the witnessed day [the Day of ‘Arafaah].” [al-Burooj 85:3].

It was reported from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The promised day is the Day of Resurrection, the witnessed day is the Day of ‘Arafaah, and the witnessing day is Friday.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.

It is the “odd” [i.e., odd-numbered, Witr] by which Allaah swore in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And by the even and the odd” [al-Fajr 89:3]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The even is the Day of al-Adhaa [i.e., 10th Dhoo’l-Hijjah] and the odd is the Day of ‘Arafaah [i.e., 9th Dhoo’l-Hijjah] This is also the view of ‘Ikrimah and al-Dahhaak.

4. Fasting on this day is an expiation for two years.

It was reported from Abu Qutaadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about fasting on the Day of ‘Arafaah. He said, “It expiates for the sins of the previous year and of the coming year.” Narrated by Muslim.

This (fasting) is mustahabb for those who are not on Hajj. In the case of the one who is on Hajj, it is not Sunnah for him to fast on the Day of ‘Arafaah, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not fast on this day in ‘Arafaah. It was narrated that he forbade fasting on the Day of ‘Arafaah in ‘Arafaah.

5. It is the day on which Allaah took the covenant from the progeny of Adam.

It was reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah took the covenant from the loins of Adam in Na’maan, i.e., ‘Arafaah. He brought forth from his loins all his offspring and spread them before Him, then He addressed them, and said: ‘Am I not your Lord? They said, ‘Yes, we testify,’ let you should say on the Day of Resurrection: ‘Verily, we have been unaware of this.’ Or lest you should say: ‘It was only our fathers aforetime who took others as partners in worship along with Allaah, and we were (merely their) descendents after them; will You then destroy us because of the deeds of men who practised Al-Baatil (i.e., ploytheism and committing crimes and sins, invoking and worshipping others besides Allaah)?’ [al-A’raaf 7:172-173 – interpretation of the meaning].” Narrated by Ahmad and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. And there is no greater day than this and no greater covenant than this.

6. It is the day of forgiveness of sins, freedom from the Fire and pride in the people who are there:

In Saheeh Muslim it was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no day on which Allaah frees more people from the Fire than the Day of ‘Arafaah. He comes close and expresses His pride to the angels, saying, ‘What do these people want?’”

It was reported from Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah expresses His pride to His angels at the time of ‘Ishaa’ on the Day of ‘Arafaah, about the people of ‘Arafaah. He says, ‘Look at My slaves who have come unkempt and dusty.’” Narrated by Ahmad and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.

And Allaah knows best.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

acedoc

Junior Member
Time Zone differences and Day OF Araafa

Day of Arafaah in different time zones

Question:
What will be the day of Arafat for countries that are in different time zones?


Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The day of ‘Arafaah and the fasting that goes with it should be observed in each country according to the local times of fajr and maghrib. Fasting on this day expiates the sins of two years, as the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "Fasting the day of ‘Arafaah, I hope, will expiate the sins of the year before it and the year to come, and fasting the day of ‘Aashooraa’ (the tenth day of Muharram), I hope, will expiate the sins of the year before it." (Reported by Muslim, 1976).

And Allaah knows best.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
:salam2:
JazakAllahu Khair for your posts, acedoc.
As I've heard, you have to see a Crescent Moon for Dhul-Hijjah to start. Does it have to be a Crescent Moon or a Waxing Crescent?

Looking at a Moon Phases Calendar for the Eastern Timezone, the Waxing Crescent will appear tomorrow (today is a New Moon) but the "full" Crescent will appear on Saturday (the day when the Islamic Society of North America predicts for the start of Dhul-Hijjah). Which Crescent will mark the beginning of the month?
 

Mrmuslim

Smile you are @ TTI
Staff member
:salam2:
JazakAllahu Khair for your posts, acedoc.
As I've heard, you have to see a Crescent Moon for Dhul-Hijjah to start. Does it have to be a Crescent Moon or a Waxing Crescent?

Looking at a Moon Phases Calendar for the Eastern Timezone, the Waxing Crescent will appear tomorrow (today is a New Moon) but the "full" Crescent will appear on Saturday (the day when the Islamic Society of North America predicts for the start of Dhul-Hijjah). Which Crescent will mark the beginning of the month?

salaam alikom the month Start according to moon sighting in Saudi Arabia. nither Islamic socity of North America or other continent can decide this.

Because we going to fast the Day of Arfah and the Day of Arfah is only in Makkah not in north america or other countries.

Wa salaam alikom
 

acedoc

Junior Member
salaam alikom the month Start according to moon sighting in Saudi Arabia. nither Islamic socity of North America or other continent can decide this.

Because we going to fast the Day of Arfah and the Day of Arfah is only in Makkah not in north america or other countries.

Wa salaam alikom

BrotherMr Muslim, I think what you said above is exactly opposite of Shk Munnajid's opinon. I am NOT disagreeing with you simply stating the fact. He is certainly one of the most reknowned scholars from Mecca.

and Allah Knows better..
 

sky_012

Junior Member
jazak Allah for these information , i hope Allah SWT will forgive our sins of the coming year and the past year Ameen

:wassalam:
 

SpangledStarz

Junior Member
:salam2:

AARRGGHH! So much to do in so little time!
I hope everyone achieves something new in the coming year and increases their faith.
Ameen, Inshallah.

:salam2:
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Follow Saudia?

Asslamo Allaikum,

Jazakullah Khairun brother for your time & effort.

But I thought that the stronger evidence allows for following local moon-sighting, as put forth by Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA) & others?

I understand that there is nothing wrong with following globally sighted moon but shouldn’t we wait to see if the moon is sighted where we live, which may or may not be the same as Saudia?

Please note that I am talking about “sighting” the moon and not “Calculating” and so on as the opinion of some scholars these days…They may be right but “Calculating” just doesn’t go with me!
 

Mrmuslim

Smile you are @ TTI
Staff member
BrotherMr Muslim, I think what you said above is exactly opposite of Shk Munnajid's opinon. I am NOT disagreeing with you simply stating the fact. He is certainly one of the most reknowned scholars from Mecca.

and Allah Knows better..

salaam alikom

I agree with you 100% he is the shiekh and he knows better than me , but brother did you understand what shiekh Said? :)

I didnt say anything against what shk Munnajid said,
I said we have to FAST the day of Arafah according to the moon sighting in Saudia Arabia, because if each country go by thier own moon sighting then the Arafah Day will be different for each country!! !!! are we going to have multiple Arafah day?

the prophet peace be up on him said the Hajj is Arafah.

shiek Munnajid said according what you posted:
The day of ‘Arafaah and the fasting that goes with it should be observed in each country according to the local times of fajr and maghrib fast according to fajr and Maghrib by your local time he didnt say fast according to the moon sighting in your own country. few years back ISNA wanted to have different day of Arafah other than the day when piligrims arrive to Arafah in Makkah... !

Wa salaam alikom
 

acedoc

Junior Member
Dhul Hijjah 1427 (2006) moon sightings



Br MrMuslim, ""he didnt say fast according to the moon sighting in your own country""

we do NOT have a disagreemnt here... There is ONLY one Yaum Araafah..so muslims must comply with the day fo Hajj in Mekkah. Of Course we will fast according to our own times for fajr and maghrib............... sorry for the confusion..I misunderstood what you said in your original post. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.. May Allah forgive me. ameen.


Dhul Hijjah Moon sighting witnesses else ehere in the world are here:

http://moonsighting.com/1427zhj.html


Break Through for Global Islamic Calendar

In November 2006, there was an International Conference in Morocco about adopting a Global Islamic Calendar. Astronomers from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Iran, Ginnea, Libya, Morocco, and USA participated. Overwhelming majority including Saudi, Egypt, and Irani astronomers agreed with the calendar (adopted by Fiqh Council of North America), that can be used as a Global Islamic Calendar. Morocco is willing to adopt it immediately. Further development on this issue will follow as time progresses.

Sighting Reports for Dhul-Hijjah 1427
Wednesday, Decemebr 20, 2006

Rashid Motala (MCW member) from Durban, South Africa: Not Seen
The Hilaal was not sighted this Wednesday evening, 20 December 2006, in South Africa. Friday, Dec 22 will be the 1st.

Dr Abdurrazak Ebrahim (MCW member) from Cape Town, S. Africa: Not Seen
The Hilaal was not sighted this Wednesday evening, 20 December 2006, and the end of the 29th day of Dhul Qada 1427 AH, anywhere in Southern Africa. The month of Dhul Qada will now be extended to 30 days and the 1st Dhul Hijjah will correspond to Friday, 22 December 2006.

Arshad Jamil from Oslo, Norway reported: Official Announcement
Islamic Council of Norway (which has members from all over Norway) decided on Wednesday, Dec 20 evening that the Eid-ul-Adha will be on Sunday 31th of December in Norway.

Yusuf M. Lambat (MCW member), Malawi: Not Seen
There was also no sighting in Malawi on Wednesday, Dec 20.

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Globalpeace

Banned
Arafah on the same day as Saudia?

Asslamo Allaikum Brothers/Sisters,

With the utmost respect & don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings (Saudi or otehrwise)...


I don’t believe that there is any evidence (from the Qur’aan & Sunnah) to state that the day of Arafah should be the same in the world as Saudi Arabia eventhough I understand that Arafah physically is ONLY in Saudi Arabia but that is evidence by inference (& logic) and not by text.

As a matter of fact I tend to agree with some of the brothers that the opinion of scholars (Saudi & elsewhere) is the exact opposite to the best of my knowledge i.e. Arafah should be on the local day; furthermore there is no precedence in the Islamic world to fix Arafah on the same day (actually the historical evidence is also the exact opposite).

Please see the article below; please note that I don’t agree with the harsh subject line or the calculations and so on…but the brother does have a point…

Source: http://www.73k.org/bid3ah/globalsighting.php


Global Moonsighting, a Modern Bid³ah

Ironically, one Muslim website (from a certain masjid that "calls to the sunnah") quite openly stated the following on its main page before this article became public. Now it can only be found on their Yahoo Groups message list:

"As you know, Masjid ______ follows the opinion of wahdatul matale' (unification of the horizon), so if the moon is visually sighted anywhere in the world (without relying on calculations), then we break fast as numerous hadeeth on the subject expressly indicate. Our position on this has been same from day one."
First of all, what they are essentially doing is calling people to bid³ah, because,

Nowhere will you find a single hadith that tells about one country (like Egypt) following the sighting of another country (like the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula). I challenge any shaykh to find such a hadith, because no one could travel great distances or use telephones and satellites to report such sightings until about 50 years ago, if even that early. On the contrary, we find that Muslims living much closer to one another with different sightings never bothering to follow one another:
A narration of Ibn ³Abbas in Sahīh Muslim indicates that local moonsighting alone was the prevailing method in the time of the Blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and was a part of the teachings of the Blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to the Sahābah. The narration goes like this:



Kurayb narrates that Umm al-Fadl sent him to Mu³āwiyah in Sham for something.
Kurayb says, "I went to Sham and finished the job. I was in Sham when the month
of Ramadān began and we saw the moon the night of Friday. When I reached
Madinah at the end of the blessed month, Ibn ³Abbas asked me about Sham.
(After answering him) He then asked me when we saw the moon.
I said, 'We saw the moon the night of Jumu³ah.'
He asked, 'Did you see it as well?'
I said, 'Yes, I saw it too and many others saw it and we all kept fasting and so did
Mu³āwiyah (that is according to that moonsighting).'
Ibn ³Abbas said, 'But we saw the moon on Saturday night, therefore, we will keep
fasting for thirty days according to that unless we sight the moon on the 29th.'
I asked, 'You don’t think the moonsighting of Mu³āwiyah and his fasting is enough
for you?'
Ibn ³Abbas replied, 'No, this is how the Blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) taught us.'"
(Muslim H.1819, Tirmiðī H.629, Nasa'i H.2084, Abū-Dāwūd H.1985, Musnad Ahmad H.2653 Dar-qutni H.2234)

This hadith is clear evidence. When Ibn ³Abbas was informed by the person who himself sighted the moon that the people of Sham had begun Ramadān one day before, he responded that it was not only his opinion, but also the teachings of the Blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) that the moonsighting of another locality was not compulsory upon them.


In the system of "global sighting" (wahdat-ul-matale') one is de facto not following any moon sighting at all, rather one is following calculations instead! You see, Saudi Arabia is always the first to announce the beginning of any new month because they follow their Umm-ul-Qura calendar (which is generated by mathematical calculations of the New Moon, a phase that precedes the actual hilāl!).
According to the Islamic Crescents' Observation Project (ICOP), "Most people think that Saudi Arabia always adopts the actual sighting of the crescent as the basis to start Islamic months. But during the previous years, it was very clear to the public as well as to astronomers that most of the Saudi months were wrong if the actual sighting is the basis for starting the Islamic month. Fortunately, the Jordanian Astronomical Society (JAS) received a telegram from The Highest Religious Council "Majlis al-Ifta' al-A³ala" in Saudi Arabia confirming that Saudi Arabia adopts the astronomical calculations and totally ignores the actual sighting. Below is a literal translation of this telegram." (see ICOP - The Actual Saudi Dating System)



One experienced moon sighter, Salman Zafar Shaikh, writes, "In the case of ³Īd-ul-Fitr 1420 AH, I myself went with the Makkah committee to a sighting point on a hilltop of Shamesi outside the city of Makkah Mukarramah on Thursday evening. Neither I, nor the other 5 committee members sighted the Hilāl. But we came back to the Harām Sharīf and were astounded to hear the announcement that ³Īd-ul-Fitr was next day (Friday). In fact moonset was before sunset in Makkah for Thursday evening. In this case the error was quite brazen" (see Hilāl Sighting in Saudi Arabia: A First Hand Report). Brother Salman goes on to explain, ". . . apparently it is the same few [Saudi] people at certain locations, reporting on those occasions when the claims are extraordinarily early in Saudi Arabia, year after year. WAllāhu A³alam!"

If you look at 15 years of the Umm-ul-Qura calendar one will be surprised to see that only 20.6% of the dates correspond with possible naked eye sightings of the hilāl under good weather conditions:

Color Code Visibility possibility
under good
weather conditions How many times
this condition is
met in 180 months Percentage of times
this condition is
met in 180 months
Green Visible with the naked eye 37/180 20.6%
Yellow Visible with optical aid 31/180 17.2%
Brown Not visible at all 110/180 61.1%
Pink Month begins before new moon 2/180 1.1%


Shaykh Qaradāwī has given a fatwa on what to do in case one has gotten caught up in this mess of Saudi using calculations instead of calling the new month by actual sighting, as was the case on January 07, 2000 which they claimed was ³Īd-ul-Fitr 1420 AH, but was actually only the 30th of Ramadān.

On December 31, 2005, the sun should set (drop completely below the Makkan horizon) at 17:49 local Saudi time with the moon already dipping below the horizon 5˚ to its left at 18:03, insha'Allāh. At 18:08 (only 19 minutes after sunset) the moon too will be compelely below the Makkan horizon, insha'Allāh, making it totally impossible to see any hilāl. All experienced moon sighting observers know that with only 0.5% phase and less than 8 degrees of separation between it and the sun, no hilāl can be sighted under such poor conditions. But just wait and see, Saudi Arabia will officially announce that they "sighted the hilāl" like they always claim, so that it matches their calendar, making January 1, 2006 the 1st of Ðūl Hijjah, and thus, ³Īd-ul-Adhā will fall on January 10, 2006, unless of course, the Saudi regime repents from following calculations and goes back to the sunnah of actually sighting the hilāl.

Update: Saudi Arabia came through again and delivered as expected, announcing that Ðūl Hijjah 1426 started on January 1, 2006, just as predicted by their pre-calculated calendar.

If Saudi Arabia really did see the hilāl on Oct. 03, 2005 around 18:08 local Saudi time, with only 2 minutes between sunset and moonset for sighting it, why could it not be seen with much better visibility chances further to the West? Consider how the moon moves around the earth in its orbit while looking at this sky charts in which the horizonal line just above the sun represents the horizon, i.e. everything below that horizontal line in the middle has already set (gone down below the horizon) and cannot be seen, even with a radio telescope from that location.

Sky Charts at sunset on Monday, October 3, 2005:

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (the moon actually set before the sun!)
Makkah, Saudi Arabia
Madinah, Saudi Arabia
Marrakech, Morocco
Los Angeles, California, USA
Honolulu, Hawaii, USA, USA

Allāh says in His book: الشَّمْسُ وَالْقَمَرُ بِحُسْبَانٍ which has been translated by Khan in the Noble Qur'ān (the English translation preferred by those who support "global" sighting) as: "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning, etc.)." (Sūrat-ur-Raĥmān 55:5)
Since the scientists have measured the synodic period of the moon to be 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 2.8 seconds, i.e. the length of time it takes for us to observe a complete orbit of the moon from earth, if the Saudis report having seen a crescent moon on Monday, October 3, 2005 around 18:08 local Saudi time, that means an observer like myself with excellent viewing conditions should see and even bigger crescent 30 days, 7 hours, and 32 minutes later, espcially given the quality Nikon 7x50 binoculars and a 35mm SLR camera equipped with 300mm telephoto lens using FujiFilm:

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Even in the case of ³Īd-ul-Adhā, there is no evidence from the Qur'an or sunnah that the Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وسلم) or any of the Sahābah ever tried to establish a so-called "Wahdatul Matale' (unification of the horizon)":
"If, as we are told by those postulating the 'Day after Arafat' position, that ³Īd-ul-Adhā is dependent on the Hajj date, then why did the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) make no effort to ascertain the Hajj dates in Makkah for his ³Īd celebration in Madinah? After the conquest of Makkah in the seventh year of the Hijra there would have been no problem in finding out when the Hajj was going to be since there would be ten days for a rider to travel to surrounding areas with the glorious news. The Messenger of Allāh (صلى الله عليه وسلم) made no attempt to know, or to inform the Muslims in the areas around Madinah about when the Hajj was in Makkah. Every Muslim community prayed according to its own sighting of the crescent of Ðūl Hijjah. Accordingly, all the scholars of Islām are unanimous that ³Īd-ul-Adhā is on the 10th of Ðūl Hijjah which is determined by the sighting in each locality, and NOT ON THE 10th OF ÐŪL HIJJAH IN MAKKAH. It is a bid³ah to try to impose a Vatican-like dogma on the Muslim ummah, although the propagators would tell you that they are simply following a 'universal horizon.' Don't be fooled. In Ramadān of 1999 it was claimed that the moon was seen in Yemen and Libya, and the Muslims of those countries began fasting on December 8, 1999. Those who claim to accept any sighting anywhere in the world conveniently ignored those Muslims, opting for the 'universal sighting' of their choice. The Companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) opposed every attempt to impose the moon sighting in one town over the others, even in close proximity, when it was not seen on a clear horizon, or when the horizon was cloudy on the 29 day of the Islamic month. " (The Community News, a newsletter published by TARIC, vol. 107, March 8, 2000.)
To call people to follow a "global sighting" is to defy the laws of Allāh. Just as He has ordained for us to pray five times a day at times according to the position of the sun relative to our own horizon where we happen to be at that time, so has He ordained for us to look for the hilāl and sight it where we happen to be living or staying during that time of the month. To say there is one universal horizon, or a "unity" of the horizon is absolutely absurd. It would be the same as arguing that we should follow the prayer timings of Masjid Al-Ĥarām for the sake of unity. To call people to pray in perfect global synchronization with Makkah would be a profound bid³ah, just as it is to call people to the falsehood of "one horizon," would be to ignore that the planet earth is round, and imitate the ignorant Christians of earlier centuries who fought science tooth and nail, maintaining that the earth was flat.
There are inifinite horizons since the earth is round and covered with many visible obstructions of a clear horizon. If you don't believe it, try to go outside and watch the sun set just before Maghrib. Chances are, you'll need to drive outside of the city to avoid having tall buildings obstruct your view, or you'll have to move a few meters to the left or right of that tree that's blocking your view.

You see, just moving a few meters has changed your view of the horizon, so let's examine the situation of the sun and the moon. At any given time, the sun is hidden to half of the planet earth, while the other half can see it, and thus has daylight. As the earth turns on its axis, Maghrib is constantly happening for a thin band along the surface of the earth where late afternoon is turning to night. Likewise, on the other side of the planet, the first light of dawn is rapidly moving along a narrow band of the earth's surface towards the West. So, Fajr is constantly happening somewhere in the world, 24 by 7, never stopping. Even though we may be eating our dinner, for someone, somewhere, it's their Fajr time.

The moon, just like the sun, is never visible to more than 50% of the earth's surface at any time, day or night. What the proponents of "wahdat-ul-matale" have never seemed to grasp is a simple truth, a decree of Almighty Allāh, that the moon moves ever so slowly apparently from West to East, i.e. it is slowing moving in the same direction that the earth is spinning! If these people who call to the bid³ah of global sighting would take the time to reflect on this simple fact, they might understand this all-important second fact:

"North America lags the rest of the world in time (they are 10 hours behind South Africa), quite often they will see the new moon before the rest of the world, and thus start the new month ahead of the rest of the world. This is a consequence of the fact that the sun sets last over the American continent, giving the new moon more time to age and become visible."
Jamiatul Ulama (KZN) - Hilaal Committee
So, this is why global sighting is wrong, why it was never implemented by anyone until less than 50 years ago: Allāh has made it impossible to implement!
Proof: If a new moon (not a hilāl, but an "invisible" moon) has been born and only develops into a mature visible hilāl by 20 minutes after sunset in Honolulu, Hawaii, which would mark the beginning of Ramadān for them, what are the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Bahrainis going to do about their fasting? It's 18:30 at night in Honolulu and by the time they got to a phone and called anyone in Saudia it was 19:00, that's 07:00 in the morning, the next day in Saudi Arabia. Too late to get on Saudi TV 1 to announce the beginning of Ramadān. Oops! They also missed out on the first night of praying tarawīĥ! For Manila in the Philippines and many places in Australia, their Muslims will have no chance whatsoever of starting Ramadān on time since it is already 12:30 in the afternoon (or later in some Australian time zones) the NEXT DAY! How can someone say that Allāh (سبحانه وتعالى) would prefer this type of unfairness to be imposed on His slaves just west of the International Dateline?

From this proof, we see their is no ĥikmah whatsoever in the so-called "global" moonsighting (wahdat-ul-matale'). Please note that this proof is completely devoid of "calculations" or the use of star charts. This is just plain common sense that shows how ridiculous "global" sighting really is. With local sighting, Muslims are not following any ethinic group, tribe, political affiliation, or regime/government. No one feels slighted. No nation/state is preferred over another. That's the Islamic way: the fair way, the just way, the way that Allāh (سبحانه وتعالى) commands us to follow, and the way His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) taught Ibn ³Abbas (remember the Kurayb Hadith?).


Any so-called fatwa from any of the four great Imāms supporting "global" moonsighting (wahdat-ul-matale') can never be applied to this current bid³ah simply because none of them lived during a time when travel across thousands of kilometers could be achieved in the same day, nor could they speak with someone sitting on the other side of the planet over a telephone to inquire about hilāl sightings.
Any fatwa from any of the four great Imāms would at best be considered a "local," "regional," or if one wished to stretch it very far, a "national" sighting. From an astronomical point of view, the differences between positions and phases of the moon for positions on the earth that could be reached by a fast horse in less than a day are for all practical purposes, exactly the same. Please review the following star charts for Makkah and Madinah:

Makkah, Saudi Arabia
Madinah, Saudi Arabia


In conclusion, there is no evidence from the Qur'ān or the sunnah, supporting a so-called "global" moonsighting (wahdat-ul-matale') that relies on sighting attempts from observation points spanning thousands of kilometers around the globe. Until 50 years ago, it was technologically, logistically, and financially impossible to implement. Regarding the fasting of Ramadān, a proof was given in point number 4 that is not even possible to implement this so-called "global" moonsighting (wahdat-ul-matale') according to the sharī³ah.

Appendix

Shaykh M. Ibrahim Memon quite eloquently states, "During the time of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم), moon sighting was always conducted locally and the people of Makkah and Madinah maintained their own [separate] Islamic calendars. One of the proofs for this can be found by carefully analyzing the sīrah.

"When Rasūlullāh (صلى الله عليه وسلم) performed his one and only Hajj, the 9th of Ðūl Hijjah was a Friday. He passed away three months later in Madinah on Monday, the 12th of Rabi al-Awwal. These historical facts are established through hadith. However, when one tries to reconstruct the Islamic calendar given those days, the 12th of Rabi al-Awwal does not fall on a Monday, any which way you try.

Based on the local Makkan moon sighting, if every month was 29 days, 12th of Rabi al-Awwal would fall on Thursday. Based on the local Makkan moon sighting, if every month was 30 days, 12th of Rabi al-Awwal would fall on Sunday.


Concerning local sighting Shaykh M. Ibrahim Memon states, "not only is this way easy, but it is actually a continuation of the tradition of the Blessed Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and of the people after him throughout the history of Islam."

Additional Resources

Report of Six Official Saudi Hilāl Sighting Committees
"Majlis Al Qadah Alala started Ramadān, Shawwal, and Ðūl Hijjah 1426 AH utilizing the calculated dates of the Umm-ul-Qura civil calendar which corresponds exactly to the first starting day for the months of the Calculated Rabbinical Calendar of Israel namely Tishrei (4th October/1st day of Ramadān in Saudi Arabia), Cheshvan (3rd November/1st day of Shawwal-³Īd-ul-Fitr in Saudi Arabia) and Tevet (1st January/1st day of Ðūl Hijjah in Saudi Arabia), respectively. Many of our Islamic Scholars who know the truth continue to be silent."
It seems the report forgot to mention that the calculated "Saudi" 1 Ðūl Qa³idah 1426 for December 2, 2005 is also exactly the same as the 1st of Kislev 5766. Looks like a good starting point for some Interfaith Dialogue between the Saudi Royal family and the Likud Party of Israel!

Saudi ³Alim Asks Muslims in North America not to pray ³Īd on Day after ³Arafah

U.S. Naval Observatory: Crescent Moon Visibility and the Islamic Calendar: "The record for an early sighting of a lunar crescent, with a telescope, is 12.1 hours after New Moon; for naked-eye sightings, the record is 15.5 hours from New Moon. These are exceptional observations and crescent sightings this early in the lunar month should not be expected as the norm. For Islamic calendar purposes, the sighting must be made with the unaided eye.

"If we ignore local conditions for the moment, and visualize the problem from outside the Earth's atmosphere, the size and brightness of the lunar crescent depend on only one astronomical quantity - the elongation of the Moon from the Sun, which is the apparent angular distance between their centers. For this reason the elongation has also been called the arc of light. If we know the value of the elongation at any instant, we can immediately compute the width of the crescent.

"This large range of possible elongations in the one-day-old Moon is critical, because at this time the width of the crescent is increasing with the square of the elongation, and the surface brightness of the crescent is also rapidly increasing. Some of the earliest reliable sightings of the crescent occur near elongations of around 10 degrees. Obviously, simply specifying the age of the Moon cannot tell the whole story. Of course, the elongation of the Moon does not tell the full story, either. But, of the two parameters, the elongation is a much more reliable parameter to use as a starting point in assessing the lunar crescent visibility at any given date and time.

Sacred Astronomy (³ilm at-tawqit)

Moon Sighting Fundamentals by Youssef Ismail

Moon Sighting - an audio lecture by Hamza Yusuf

Causes and implications of the Saudi confusion about the dates for Hajj and ³Īd
"The Saudi regime also manipulated the start and end of last Ramadān, as they had done many previous ones. While the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide celebrated ³Īd-ul-Fitr on Saturday, January 8, the Saudis had announced the sighting of a non-existent moon on Thursday January 6 to 'celebrate' ³Īd-ul-Fitr on Friday, January 7.

"One Saudi newspaper, Arab News at least had the decency to admit later (February 11) that the January 7 celebration was based on false information. The regime, however, kept mum. The Arab News story followed the discovery that there was a partial eclipse of the sun on February 5 which lasted until after sunset, thus making any sighting of the moon impossible even had the moon been there to be sighted. According to this analysis, the month of Shawwal, according to the Saudi calculation, ended up having 31 days, an impossibility from the Islamic point of view (lunar months can only be of 29 or 30 days).

"This regular confusion is despite changes made to the Saudis' calendar arrangements following criticism from around the world of their arbitrary practices. The Saudi regime has now set up Hilal (crescent) sighting committees in six cities: Makkah, Riyadh, Qassim, Hail, Tabuk and Asir. The committees comprise religious scholars, quddah (plural of qadi), astronomers, scientists and other qualified people, as well as volunteers. Yet the regime does not follow the information provided by these committees, instead apparently relying on sighting claims by laymen without applying any standard for verifying the information. Neither the Shawwal (³Īd-ul-Fitr) moon nor the Ðūl Hijjah moon was sighted by the experts in the committees on the dates on which they announced their sightings. These committees have been appointed but they are virtually powerless.

Moon Sighting Announcements in Saudi Arabia Valid?
"Further, if the argument of the [former ISNA] article is accepted and it is held that the real intention of Qur'ān and Sunnah was to link the celebration of ³Īd-ul-Adhā with the Saudi dates, as a mandatory provision for all Muslims in the world, it means that the sharī³ah has stressed a principle which was not acceptable for 1300 years. It is not against the Quranic declaration that Allah does not make a thing mandatory unless it is practical for the human beings.

"If the authors [of the former ISNA article] argue that the celebration of ³Īd-ul-Adhā was not linked with the dates in Makkah in the past but it has become a mandatory requirement of the sharī³ah now, then the question arises, who has abrogated the previous principle and on what basis? There is no provision in Qur'ān or the Sunnah which orders the Muslims to celebrate ³Īd-ul-Adhā according to their local dates up to a particular time and to link it with the dates in Makkah thereafter. Whoever considers this and similar questions arising out of this unprecedented theory advanced in the article can appreciate its fallacy.
(Source: Ask the Imam Online. Mufti Ebrahim Desai)

Moonsighting (Hilāl) in Saudi Arabia and its implications worldwide
"In view of the present discrepancies in moon sighting, the view that Ikhtilāf-e-Matālih is considered may be adopted and each country should make their own independent decisions. It is incorrect for the Muslims in North America (especially the Arab brethren) to follow Saudia Arabia's ruling on ³Īd-ul-Fitr and ³Īd-ul-Adhā due to the moonsighting being inconsistent with sharī³ah laws of sighting the moon."
(Source: Ask the Imam Online. Mufti Ebrahim Desai)

Which Hilāl (Islamic Crescent) to Follow?
"Synchronizing ³Īd-ul-Adhā worldwide with hilāl sighting in Saudi Arabia is not appropriate because it is neither ikhtilāf-ul-Matāle (multiple horizons/local sighting), nor wahdat-ul-matāle (single horizon - follow first report of hilāl - no matter from which country). . . . According to the Shaykh ibn ³Uthaymīn (r.a) fatwa, and other scholars, Ðūl Hijjah determination is no different from other 11 months and should be by local sighting (ikhtilāf-ul-matāle). . . . Using sighting in Saudi Arabia for here [in North America] can force us to ignore our earlier local hilāl sighting. (The world is round - for certain years, e.g. North America should see hilāl one date before the Middle-East)."

Dark Side of the Moon

Wikipedia article on the Islamic Calendar "Nevertheless, the religious authorities of Saudi Arabia also allow the testimony of less experienced observers and thus often announces the sighting of the lunar crescent on a date when none of the official committees could see the lunar crescent."

WebExhibits: The Islamic calendar
"Saudi Arabia doesn't rely on a visual sighting of the crescent moon to fix the start of a new month. Instead they base their calendar on a calculated astronomical moon."

A sample moon sighting

Friday evening, 02 December 2005: first hilāl of Ðūl Qa³idah 1426
Cloudless weather conditions
Sunset was at 17:15 EST.
Sighted with Nikon OceanPro 7x50 7.2° CF WP compass binoculars at 17:28 EST.
Sighted with a 300mm telephoto lens at 17:34 EST.
Sighted with naked eye at 17:39 EST. Can you see it? It's already 31 hours and 38 minutes after the new moon. Pretty old for a first day hilāl. Remember the record sighting listed above of 15.5 hours by the U.S. Naval Observatory? There is nothing record breaking about his sighting, yet without knowing exactly where to look, a novice probably would not have been able to spot it.

Keep in mind that this hilāl, barely visible with the naked eye, boasts a 2.7% phase (percentage of surface visible) and is 17° away from the sun.

The so-called "sighting" reported by Saudi officials on Oct. 03, 2005 marking the premature beginning of Ramadān 1426 had a phase of 0.00% and was only 1.63° away from the sun. The moon was already partially below the horizon after the sun completely set! This so-called "sighting" happened only 4 hours and 40 minutes after the new moon! Remember the all-time record of 15.5 hours by the U.S. Naval Observatory? A hilāl sighted only 4 hours and 40 minutes after the new moon? I don't think so !!!

In the photos above, the moon was stayed in the sky almost 48 minutes after the sun went down completely, yet one had to wait 13 minutes before the sky was dark enough for the hilāl to be visible, and 24 minutes after sunset for one to be able to spot it with the naked eye, although the exact position with binoculars had been established 11 minutes before! Now tell us how the Saudis could see any hilāl with only 2 minutes of viewing after sunset and a visible lunar surface area of 0.00%.

Forthcoming: Fatāwa from Shaykh ibn Taymīyah (Shaykh-ul-Islām) and Shaykh ibn ³Uthaymīn in the original Arabic with English translation showing their preference for local moon sighting.



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Last updated: Monday, January 9, 2006 8 Ðūl Ĥijjah 1426 ٨ ذو الحجة ١٤٢٦
 

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Marwa17

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i heard from a sister today that eid is the 31st is that right??? like is there a day between 9 arafat on eid and eid is on the 11th of arafat??? :confused:
 

Globalpeace

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Asslamo Allaikum,

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

1) Eid is always on the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah; i.e. the day after Arafah (9th of Dhul-Hijjah); whenever that is where-ever you are
2) All I am trying to imply that I have NOT come across any evidence in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah (or opinion of scholars) to imply that the day of Arafah in Saudi Arabia is binding for Muslims of all localities everywhere.
3) There is an opinion about Global Sighting (i.e. sighting anywhere on the globe applicable to all Muslims) but I am specifically discussing point 2 which is about Arafah & not Global sighting


Even amongst the scholars following your local moon sighting (wherever you are) has always been the stronger evidence

4) To the best of knowledge the moon was not sighted anywhere in Europe, Africa, North America or Asia (except Saudi Arabia). Please note that I am also not discussing the Saudi moon sighting and trying to justify it with science, calculations etc.


The only point being implied by me is 2.

Jazakullah Khairun

P.S: According to point 4 Eid will be on Sunday the 31st of December 2006.

P.P.S: Again not trying to hurt people's feelings or start an argument, simply requesting eveidence for point 2.
 

Marwa17

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jazakallahu khairan brother....
I have another question if no one minds...
I understand that what saudia arabia does is not binding to all muslims...but in today's world since we all live in cities and everything, we are too lazy to go to the middle of nowhere and look at the helal..., which is why I think so many countries take saudia arabia's sightings
Which is the day that you have to fast to erase all your sins for the previous year, that year, and the following year??? or do I have this mixed up with something else????:confused:
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