authenticity of this!

[podolski11]

salam alaykum

when a baby dies during his childbirth i heard that he will not go straight to heaven as we all think he would but he will infact have a trial before that which will b that Allah swt will show them fire and tell them to jump into it....the ones that will jump into it will b granted heaven but the ones that will think "no,its too hot or i could get hurt", will the ones that will b sent too hell cause if they had been alive on earth then they would have done the same thing with Islam.....is this true?

 

[island muslim]

Salaam Alaiykum akhi,

I never heard of such a thing. Where did you her this? If you heard it from someone did he bring you like proof? is it a hadhith.

As far as I know as long as the child is a child (has not reached puberty) he goes directly to heaven no questions asked nor any tests, does not even matter if he was from muslim parents or non muslim.

 

[podolski11]

Salaam Alaiykum akhi,

I never heard of such a thing. Where did you her this? If you heard it from someone did he bring you like proof? is it a hadhith.

As far as I know as long as the child is a child (has not reached puberty) he goes directly to heaven no questions asked nor any tests, does not even matter if he was from muslim parents or non muslim.

do u have proof of what ur saying??

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

Abu Dawud

Book 38, Number 4387:

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

Ibn Abbas said: A lunatic woman passed by Ali ibn AbuTalib. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect as Uthman mentioned. This version has: Do you not remember that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has said: There are three whose actions are not recorded: a lunatic whose mind is deranged till he is restored to consciousness, a sleeper till he awakes, and a boy till he reaches puberty?

 

[island muslim]

do u have proof of what ur saying??

Yes; its in Islam QA and I got it from my mosques classes. I might take some time to bring it here for you cause i will have to search for it in IslamQA or other reliable site, which you can try too.

Now did the person who told you this give proof? thats all i asked.. yet you did not asnwer that.

 

[island muslim]

Abu Dawud

Book 38, Number 4387:

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

Ibn Abbas said: A lunatic woman passed by Ali ibn AbuTalib. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect as Uthman mentioned. This version has: Do you not remember that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has said: There are three whose actions are not recorded: a lunatic whose mind is deranged till he is restored to consciousness, a sleeper till he awakes, and a boy till he reaches puberty?

Jazakumallah khairan brother

now i dont have to search for it.

Now I must wait to hear from brother podoslki otherwise its just hearsay and spreading hearsay is not good.

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

Jazak Allahu Khair to you also, brother. I am a sister I am trying to learn hadith myself and have so much to learn as I am a revert who concentrated just on Qur'an for so long. I find that, Alhamdulillah, Islam is a religion of logic and it did not make sense to me that a sinless child would be punished and I found several hadith like the one above. Unlike Christians, Alhamdulillah, we Muslims do not believe that babies are born with original sin

see
www.answering-christianity.com

 

[island muslim]

Salaam Alaiykum ,

Mashalallah sister thats great you are learning so much Ilm. You have so much enthusiasm mashallah especially since you are new muslim its going to be more difficult. May allah reward you the best of rewards for your efforts ameen.

also here further info on chidlren not being tested:

That they will not be tested or questioned in their graves. This is the view of the Shaafa’is and some of the Maalikis and Hanbalis.

Ibn Muflih said in al-Furoo’ (2/216):

This is the view of al-Qaadi and of Ibn ‘Aqeel. End quote.

The evidence for this view was explained by Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him), and it seems that he was inclined towards this view, when he said in al-Rooh (87-88):

The others said:

The questioning is only for the one who is mature enough to understand the message sent by Allaah to His Messenger; he will be asked whether he believed in the Messenger and obeyed him or not? It will be said to him: “What did you say about this man who was sent among you?” With regard to the child who has no understanding of these issues, how could he be asked what do you say about this man who was sent among you? If his reasoning is restored to him in the grave, he would not be asked about something he could not understand or have knowledge of, and there would be no point in this questioning.

With regard to the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah, the torment in the grave does not mean that the child is being punished for not obeying or committing sin, for Allaah does not punish anyone for a sin he did not do.

Rather the torment of the grave refers to the pain that is felt by the deceased for other reasons, and it is not a punishment for something that he did. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The deceased is tormented because of his family’s crying for him,” i.e., he feels pain and suffers because of that; he is not being punished because of the sin of the living.

Undoubtedly there is pain and misery in the grave which may affect the child and cause him pain. So it is prescribed for the one who is offering the funeral prayer for him to ask Allaah to protect him from that torment. And Allaah knows best. End quote.

Thirdly:

With regard to where the children who have died are – are they in the seventh heaven with Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) or in their graves?

What has been narrated concerning that is the hadeeth of Samurah ibn Jundub (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) often used to say to his companions: “Has anyone among you seen a dream?” and whoever Allaah willed would tell him what he had seen. One day he said: “Last night two people came to me and made me get up, and they said to me: ‘Let’s go.’ So I set off with them…” He mentioned things that he had seen, then he said:

“We set off, and we came to a verdant garden, in which were all the colours of spring, where there was a man who was so tall that I could hardly see his head in the sky. Around the man was the largest number of children I had ever seen…” Then among things that the two angels explained to him was: “As for the tall man who was in the garden, that was Ibraaheem. As for the children who were around him, these are all the children who died in a state of fitrah.” One of the Muslims said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what about the children of the mushrikeen?” He said: “And the children of the mushrikeen.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7047).

This hadeeth indicates that whoever dies before reaching the age of puberty is in Paradise under the care of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), not that he is in the seventh heaven.

See: Sharh Muslim by al-Nawawi, hadeeth no. 2657.

Fourthly:

There are many ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which speak of children interceding for their parents on the Day of Resurrection, such as the following:

It was narrated that Abu Hassaan said: I said to Abu Hurayrah: Two sons of mine have died. Will you not narrate to us a hadeeth from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that will comfort us in our loss?

He said: Yes, their children are the little ones of Paradise, and one of them will meet his father – or his parents – and take hold of his garment – or his hand – as I am taking hold of the edge of this garment of yours, and he will not let go until Allaah admits him and his father to Paradise. Narrated by Muslim (2635).

And Allaah knows best.

 

[AAminAA]

:salam2:

There is lot of explanation about death of children and were they go

In Book of Hadith from Bukhari says:

(4) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Some women requested the Prophet to fix a day for them as the men were taking all his time. On that he promised them one day for religious lessons and commandments. Once during such a lesson the Prophet said, "A woman whose three children die will be shielded by them from the Hell fire." On that a woman asked, "If only two die?" He replied, "Even two (will shield her from the Hell-fire)." (Book #3, Hadith #101)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: as above (the sub narrators are different). Abu Huraira qualified the three children referred to in the above mentioned Hadith as not having reached the age of committing sins (i.e. age of puberty) . (Book #3, Hadith #102)

Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "A Muslim whose three children die before the age of puberty will be granted Paradise by Allah due to his mercy for them." (Book #23, Hadith #340)

Narrated Abu Sa'id: The women requested the Prophet, "Please fix a day for us." So the Prophet preached to them and said, "A woman whose three children died would be screened from the Hell Fire by them," Hearing that, a woman asked, "If two died?" The Prophet replied, "Even two (would screen her from the (Hell) Fire. " And Abu Huraira added, "Those children should be below the age of puberty. " (Book #23, Hadith #341)

 

[island muslim]

Wa alaiykumu salaam warahmatallah,

indeed you are right sister. This hadeeth further confirms it.

“We set off, and we came to a verdant garden, in which were all the colours of spring, where there was a man who was so tall that I could hardly see his head in the sky. Around the man was the largest number of children I had ever seen…” Then among things that the two angels explained to him was: “As for the tall man who was in the garden, that was Ibraaheem. As for the children who were around him, these are all the children who died in a state of fitrah.” One of the Muslims said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what about the children of the mushrikeen?” He said: “And the children of the mushrikeen.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7047).

 

[massi]

:salam2:
Masha Allaah without any suffering he get his place in paradise [/CENTER]​