Bird flu: we're all going to die

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Bird flu: we're all going to die
Well, most of us


The First World War killed seven million people. But the strain of flu that followed it - incubated, experts reckon, in pigs that were kept near the front lines to help feed the troops - killed up to 100 million, helped by the movement of troops returning home from the war.

Pandemics come around, on average, about every 70 years or so. There were small ones in 1957 and 1968/9, when "Hong Kong flu" - strain H1N1 - spread around the world, and one million died. That was tiny by pandemic standards. The scientists reckon we're overdue for an infectious, fatal strain of flu, one which can pass from human to human by the usual methods - sneezing or contact.

There's already a deadly strain of flu around - "chicken flu", better known to the scientists by the strain of flu virus that causes it: H5N1. But it only passes from chickens to humans, not from from person to person. If it could do that, it would have the potential to turn pandemic.

But maybe it already can. There have already been a couple of cases of deaths from H5N1 where the only logical pathway is human-to-human. The UK government announced in February that it will buy in thousands of doses of Tamiflu as part of the UK Influenza Pandemic Contingency Plan (PDF, 160kB).

Too bad - the latest results (reported by New Scientist; limited-time free access) suggest that Tamiflu isn't effective against H5N1. And anyway, New Scientist reports, the UK's order for 14.6 million five-day courses of Tamiflu treatment will take its patent owners Roche two years to fulfil. The company is still trying to develop ways to synthesise it from scratch.

The consequences of a really big, fatal flu epidemic on modern society are hard to imagine, partly because they're so enormous. Air passengers would be the first vector of infection, followed by the people who travelled with them in the train or Underground train or coach from the airport, followed by the family and friends of those people. Give it a few days and people would be falling ill, then over the next weeks dying.

If the strain is new and unexpected, there wouldn't be time to produce enough vaccine to treat it. According to a New England Journal of Medicine article by Dr Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis - who is also director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy - titled "Preparing for the Next Pandemic", the 1950s-era methods of producing vaccines means we would need (ironically enough) one chicken egg per person to produce the vaccine, plus six months to culture it.

"The global economy would come to a halt, and since we could not expect appropriate vaccines to be available for many months and we have very limited stockpiles of antiviral drugs, we would be facing a 1918-like scenario," notes Dr Osterholm, who calculates that given current technology, we could vaccinate about 500 million people, tops - about 14 per cent of the world population.

Of course, most of those will be in the developed world. But are you sure you'd be one? Are you in the Armed Forces? Do you or your business count as an essential service? If you're not involved with the electricity, water, fuel distribution, phone or gas industries, then probably not. "And owing to our global 'just-in-time delivery' economy, we would have no surge capacity for health care, food supplies, and many other products and services," Dr Osterholm adds.

Let's have some more numbers from Dr Osterholm, just to encourage you. He writes: "It is sobering to realize that in 1968, when the most recent influenza pandemic occurred, the virus emerged in a China that had a human population of 790 million, a pig population of 5.2 million, and a poultry population of 12.3 million; today, these populations number 1.3 billion, 508 million, and 13 billion, respectively. Similar changes have occurred in the human and animal populations of other Asian countries, creating an incredible mixing vessel for viruses. Given this reality, as well as the exponential growth in foreign travel during the past 50 years, we must accept that a pandemic is coming - although whether it will be caused by H5N1 or by another novel strain remains to be seen."

All this has been noted by virologists and disease experts around the world. But what can we do? For one thing, listen to what they're saying, and put some pressure on the politicians who are ignoring this threat, in the hope it will go away. Climate change may be a greater threat than terrorism, but a flu pandemic is a more immediate threat than either.

Or, as Dr Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota put it: "Frankly the crisis could for all we know have started last night in some village in Southeast Asia. We don't have any time to waste and even if we did have some time, the kinds of things we need to do will take years. Right now, the best we can do is try to survive it. We need a Manhattan Project yesterday."
 

Abdul-Raheem

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Apparently, the breakout occured 4 days before they firm reported it to the authorities. They wrongly diagnosed the virus as a something else. Any, it's not too far away from London. It happened in Hertfordshire I think.

wasalam
 

visionusman

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The reason why I started this thread was because people do not realise that it is an imminent thread. Not in it's present form but a threat none the less. That is because the flu virus is known to mutate routinely. If there was a large enough pool of infected humans the risk would be imminent that the virus would mutate. Once that happens; there's no stopping it. It is projected to kill about two thirds of the world's population.

Do you think this would be the end of Gog/Magog (after they appear)? Well it could be. Allah SWT knows best. There is also a hadith that nearing the end there would be various epidemics. I think.
 

NaXuS

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cook food in Afghan n in Indian way n forget about bird flu.The virus can not survive in that kind of temperature.

I did use chicken in the time when it become a big hoax in south asia.I did avoid food containing chicken which was cooked on low temperature n most of dishes in Indian n Afghan ways r always cooked on high temperature.

I just follow the precautions written in the newspaper prescribe by health ministry in which they highly emphasis over food which is cooked on high temperature.
 

visionusman

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cook food in Afghan n in Indian way n forget about bird flu.The virus can not survive in that kind of temperature.

I did use chicken in the time when it become a big hoax in south asia.I did avoid food containing chicken which was cooked on low temperature n most of dishes in Indian n Afghan ways r always cooked on high temperature.

I just follow the precautions written in the newspaper prescribe by health ministry in which they highly emphasis over food which is cooked on high temperature.
My dear Naxus cooking has nothing to do with the threat. No one can get it by eating chicken. Only if you handle raw poultry or live birds. So if at all the risk in the kitchen is limited to the time before cooking.

The actual risk is that the virus will mutate to a kind which could be transmitted from humans to humans. That is a real possibility; not a far fetched idea. I believe the question is really not if, but when. And when it does happen, as I said earlier two thirds of the worlds population is projected to die. No kiddin.
 

Abdul-Raheem

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:salam2:

Judging by what you say, were going to have a repeat of an epidemic on the scale of the black plague or worse! That is if they mutate into a form which can spread from human to human.

Allahu 3lam

wasalam
 

visionusman

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Without a doubt! If it mutates. Till then we wait. Yet for Allah everything is easy and only He can foretell what lies in store.
 

shaz_1999

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We shud all chill a bit @da end of da day im 4rm da West Midlnads in England were all da chickens were killed.

Im worid but im no way gona fink bat it 2much ive got enough 2stress bat (coz ever1 tells me2 chill out coz I stress bat nefing & everyfing). So I will keep n eye n it but nt like let it tk ova my life, if u get me?
 
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