Cancellation of Quranic Verse

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    Salam aleikum rahmatullah wa barrakatuh

    I am familiar with the abrogation of verses in the holy Quran. But I came across this hadith resently:

    "There was revealed about those who were killed at Bi’r-Ma’una a Qur’anic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The verse was: ‘Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased.’" Bukhari vol.4 book 52 ch.19 no.69 p.53."

    Can someone explain it. Is it really true that the Quran has had a cancelled verse and are it more cancelled verses? Can someone with knowledge give me an answer? And explain more of this hadith, is it really trusthworthy despite it is from Bukhari?
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    i wish that i could give you the exact specifics, but it's kind of like how the new testament of the bible negates some of the old testament. believe it or not, at one time alcohol wasn't haram in islam, however the Prophet SAAWS had felt that ALLAH SWT was hinting something to him, regarding alcohol and a short time later it became haram. but it's important to note that the Prophet SAAWS told the believers that if they can get any benefit from alcohol to do it then because ALLAH SWT still hadn't made it haram but once ALLAH SWT made it haram, no one was allowed to benefit after that.
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    your question is funny to me. You say you understand abrogation but don't know "cancelled." Abrogation is synonymous to cancellation so why is it a shock to you. If you are in that depth of studying the Quran then you are so advanced.

    There is a study of science with regards to this, it is referred to as Uloom Al-Quran.

    This shouldn't trouble at all, it fascinated me and mesmerized me to know some of this science which increased in my Iman 10 folds. SubhanAllah, the prophet, PBUH, was of the best creation of man and a mercy to mankind.

    Now to your issue. Rest assured before the prophet, PBUH, died. Angel Gabriel went over the whole Quran with him twice that year. Anas ibn Malaak, ra was the scribe of the prophet, and the prophet would tell him to write then after a while repeat what was written. Not to mention the fact that many of the sahaba, raa, memorized the Quran. When the first distributed copy of the Quran was sent all over, it was after all the scholars of that time confirmed and validated the copies. The Quran was in the hearts of men. The sahaba/scholars that confirmed the Quran copies can be found in the last pages of the madini Arabic Quran.

    Now Allah, swt, does what he wants and doesn't need to answer anybody. So if Allah ordered his messenger to cancel or remove something then that is the decree and be assured the prophet, PBUH, would of complied.

    The preservation of what we need to know is preserved by Allah. And it will remain that way till Allah, swt, lifts it up from mankind.

    wa Allah ya'lam

    ps. definition of Abrogation:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abrogation try to stay away from islamophobes surely they will steer you wrong just like their buddy devils do to them.
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    Islamirama you are correct, my misstake I think I gave the wrong reference.

    Abdul-aziz my brother. I am turning to muslims to get knowledge about my religion, I don't want to be ignorant so thats why I ask.

    As I have understand the concept of abrogation, is that it is new verdicts which has come with time. For example making consumation of alcohol haram. But this is the first time that I have ever heard that a verse of the Quran has been REMOVED. Do you know another example of a verse being REMOVED from the Quran?

    1. Correct me if I am wrong but is not the Quran unchanged, how can then a verse have been removed?

    2. Is this hadith true?

    3. Are there more removed verses?

    Jazak Allah khair
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    I don't recall ever reading any where or hearing from anyone about any verses being removed. I think you should first provide the hadith you read so it can be checked for it's authenticity before we can move further.
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    :salam2:

    Brother, no verse from Quran was cancelled. Quran is preserved and is perfect.

    Unfortunataly, you could find such hadith saying that a goat ate a verse of the Quran and it was later omitted.

    instead of doubting Sahih Bukhari or other books some could claim such things.

    We respect our scholars but that does not mean they were infallable, did no wrong or what is in their books are all correct or unquestionable.

    Such beleif are like those shias' or sufies' beleieves that their imam or sheiks are perfect.

    So, instead of doubting the word of Allah we should think that mortals make mistakes.
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    Brother Mezeren I agree with you but I would like to have more knowledge about this hadith. I found it in "Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari by Dr. Muhammed Muhsin Khan". In the part "The book of Jihad", hadith number 1211. I would give you the link but it is not possible to link on this forum before you have had 15 posts so you can find the exact reference by searching on Google following search words, the top result will inshallah be a link to that book:

    inform our people that we have met our lord 1211

    So my questions remain:

    1. Correct me if I am wrong but is not the Quran unchanged, how can then a verse have been removed?

    2. Is this hadith true?

    3. Are there more removed verses?

    Jazak Allah khair
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    Here is a comprehensive lecture at our local masjid on 'Concept of Abrogation'. InshaAllah all your doubts will be clarified.

    Please have a listen on the link here.
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    The verse which were abrogated ,they were replaced by something better.As it says in the Qur'an(translation)::

    We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent? Surat Al-Baqarah(2:106)

    Some scholars say this was a means for learning stages of sahaba,as a child is taught step by step gradually until,it reaches it's final form.The Qur'an is complete in itself.The verses abrogated are a means to learn as well.

    I will quote the following I got from the website http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=17fdc82a853e8ab1430e3d64bce78c98 ::
    About the hadith,only a scholar or a muhaddith can tell if it's authentic or not.
    Also BrotherinIslam7 gave a nice link go through it inshaAllah.


    :wasalam:
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    Similar kind of question,

    But In Urdu.

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    “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?”
    Islamic Quotes

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