Do not give your own fatwaa

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    assalamu alaikum wrwb

    i wanted to ask other members of this forum to please stop giving their own fatwaas.

    u can ofcourse share a fatwa of some learned scholar or mufti but do not pass on anything which u think is correct without any proper proof. so be sure and mindful that whatever u share on this site is backed by a scholarly opinion, i really like the articles of other members who post the rulings of scholars from islamqa or the fatwas of great sheikhs like ibn taymiyyah , ibn al qayyim, ibn baaz or ibn uthaymeen and so on.

    even the hadees which look straightforward have a great inner meaning and needs a lot of knowledge of the quran and the deen to be interpreted. that is the reason why many of our greatest scholars have dedicated their entire lives and only then have become good muhaddiseen.

    iam writing all this not to hurt anyone here but i have seen some ppl who have written some replies or answers and have made things haraam which are otherwise halaal and viceversa. and they have done this without any proof.

    there are a lot of members/guests on this site who are either new muslims or young muslims and also a few who have limited knowledge of the deen (like me) who tend to take everything which they read on this forum to be correct. so its our duty to share and educate others with the most correct and authentic knowledge of the deen.

    my dear members this is a very serious matter and i hope everyone understands what my point is in posting this.

    i think everyone is free to give their own opinions if someone asks for a advice but not on scholarly issues.

    And please refrain from posting any fatwas or rulings without authentic backing.

    Thankyou all for reading this.
    assalamu alaikum wrwb
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    Jazak Allahu khayran Brother for reminding us!!

    Issuing fatwas needs lengthy experience and practice, knowledge of the various branches of fiqh and where to look for information; knowledge of the opinions of the ‘ulamaa’ and fuqahaa’, and memorization or knowledge of the texts. Undoubtedly issuing fatwas without being qualified to do so is a grave sin, and means that one is speaking without knowledge. Allaah has warned us against that, when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: “This is lawful and this is forbidden,” so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper.” [al-Nahl 16:116].

    In a hadeeth:

    “Whoever was given a fatwaa with no proof, his sin will go back on the one who gave him the fatwaa.” (Saheeh; narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 2/321).

    The seeker of knowledge should not hasten to issue fatwas or to speak on an issue until he has found the source and daleel for what he is saying, and who has spoken about it previously. If he is not qualified to deal with the matter, he should pass it on to someone who is better able to deal with it, and he should limit himself to that which he knows, and continue learning and studying until he is qualified to make ijtihaad.

    And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.
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    JazakAllah Kheiran !! I am with you guys 100% on this.

    Look what Ibnul Mubaarak said, in saheeh Muslim's preface:

    < ISNAAD (CHAIN OF NARRATION, IN OTHER WORDS, THE SOURCES) IS DEEN; IF THERE WAS NO ISNAAD ANYONE WOULD HAVE SAID WHATEVER THEY WANTED.>

    Ibn Seereen said in saheeh Muslim's preface as well:

    <VERILY THIS KNOWLEDGE IS DEEN, THERE FORE LOOK (CAREFULLY) FROM WHOM YOU TAKE YOUR DEEN.>
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    Jazakallah,
    I guess there is nothing more for me to write except that I fully agree with the above comments from all my brothers.
    :wasalam:
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    yes brother i am also agree with you and as you say there are some brothers who used to their own fatwas they shouldn´t do it.
    and if they dont have any proof or against the quran and hadiths we should correct it with the proof.
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    Jazak Allahu khayran Brother tomstone for reminding us!

    Noted.


    ugesstion : hopefully Admin can include this in TTI Forum guideline as well as its very importants as we don't want any confusing or before it's turn to worst as TTI member and guest started to increase.

    wasalam.

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    Use Quran and Hadith wrong context

    :salam2:

    I have noticed too some members using Quran and Hadith to support their arguments. Let me warn everyone , non-scholars should refrain from doing so cause when the Quran or Hadith is taken out of context without the person having full understanding of the meanings, it is a sin . It leads to misguidance for the person who uses it as well as those who follows it.

    Just something to think about when differences in opinions happens.

    :wasalam:
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    thanks brother for your mail.

    but how many olama´s are there in this website?

    i dont think a lot of olama´s are there oR?
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    I think that Fatwa (pl. Fatawa) are rare in Islam [since fatawa from the four A'ima and great fuqaha and Ulama]; Fatwa is given under the consensus of U'lama, like the Fatwa about to forbid smoking : this is fatwa.
    For other normal things, it's usualy answer from quran and sunah BUT sure a A'lime who is knows and has great knowledge who should answer no one else even if he has a big knowledge.
    Usualy people think that an answer is Fatwa. And sometimes people take the meaning of answer as fatwa like on a lot of website. Fatwa has a deep meaning in arabic language and as i said Fatawa are rare because it need ijetihad and consensus by large great U'lama
    Because A'lim learn from U'lama and no one can learn knowldge by himself.
    Wa Allaho A'lam
    WaAlaikoum Assalam


    What is Fatwa?

    Fatwa an Arabic word, meaning a verdict or judicial pronouncement on debatable questions of personal or social interest given by a mufti (juries consult). Fatwa becomes a necessity when an individual or a judge fails to solve a problem on the basis of Shariah drawn on the Holy Quran and other authentic texts on religious canons and practices.

    From the earliest time of Islam, many Fatwas given by imams and muftis have been collected and these are now known as fiqah. When a mufti, in spite of his thorough knowledge of fiqah literature, fails to resolve the problem at issue, he will have recourse to historically developed methods in Islam such as qias or analogical deductions from Quranic teachings and Hadith, ijma, or the consensus of experts subject to the approval of the existing society, and ijtihad or personal judgement, when all existing laws fail. Decisions drawn on such basis are called fatwa, also known as mas'ala, although not all mas'alas are fatwa.

    During the early period of Islam, law courts issued fatwas until the period of the Umayads and the Abbasides, when renowned and wise theologians took the lead. In modern times, certain Muslim states have formed fatwa committees consisting of established Islamic jurists. The experiences of fatwa committees of Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates reveal some characteristics of the practice of fatwa. Firstly, fatwas were given not by whims or caprices of individuals. Secondly, they were given only when they were sought for. Thirdly, fatwas were not inconsistent with the existing laws of countries. Fatwas were given only by an expert in Islamic lore.


    الفتوي ھو الحکم الشرعي يعني ما افتي بہ العالم
    و معناہ في اللغة الاجابة عن سوال ما الخ ثم قد خصت الکلمة للاجابة عن سوال شرعي




    Fatwa

    Technical term for the legal judgment or learned interpretation that a qualified jurist (mufti) can give on issues pertaining to the shari?a (Islamic law).

    Originally only a mujtahid, that is, a jurist satisfying a number of qualifications and trained in the techniques of ijtihad ("personal reasoning," the fourth source of Islamic law after the Qur?an, the Prophet Muhammad's sunna, and ijma, or consensus), was allowed to issue a legal opinion or interpretation of an established law. Later, all trained jurists were allowed to be muftis. Fatwas are nonbinding, contrary to the laws deriving from the first three sources, and the Muslim may seek another legal opinion. The fatwas of famous jurists are usually collected in books and can be used as precedents in courts of law.

    Because most Muslim countries stopped following the shari?a during the twentieth century and adopted secular legal systems, fatwas are issued mostly on a personal basis or for political reasons. The practice of having a government-appointed mufti issue fatwas justifying government policy has been a major criticism by reformist contemporary Muslim movements. However, many of the latter often allow individuals without the requisite legal training to issue fatwas. Such edicts may be considered by their followers as binding but they are not recognized by the jurists or the rest of the Muslim community as legitimate juristic opinions.
    Encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East and North Africa,



    question 2071
    When can a young man make ijtihaad and issue fatwas?

    Question:
    When can a young man make ijtihaad and issue fatwas? Some of the young people, when they become religious, indulge in examining and discussing the evidence (daleel) and speak about the rulings on events and issues that happen, in terms of what is halaal and what is haraam. They give their opinions on the rulings of fiqh on some new matters that have arisen in modern times.

    Answer:

    Praise be to Allaah.

    There are conditions attached to making ijtihaad. Not every individual has the right to issue fatwas and make pronouncements on matters, unless he has knowledge and is qualified. He has to be able to know the daleel; the wording and apparent meaning of the texts; what is saheeh (sound) and what is da’eef (weak); al-naasikh wa’l-mansookh (what abrogates what); wording and interpretation of texts; what is specific in application and what is general; what is stated in brief and what is mentioned in detail. This needs lengthy experience and practice, knowledge of the various branches of fiqh and where to look for information; knowledge of the opinions of the ‘ulamaa’ and fuqahaa’, and memorization or knowledge of the texts. Undoubtedly issuing fatwas without being qualified to do so is a grave sin, and means that one is speaking without knowledge. Allaah has warned us against that, when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: “This is lawful and this is forbidden,” so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper.” [al-Nahl 16:116].

    In a hadeeth: “Whoever was given a fatwaa with no proof, his sin will go back on the one who gave him the fatwaa.” (Saheeh; narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 2/321). The seeker of knowledge should not hasten to issue fatwas or to speak on an issue until he has found the source and daleel for what he is saying, and who has spoken about it previously. If he is not qualified to deal with the matter, he should pass it on to someone who is better able to deal with it, and he should limit himself to that which he knows, and continue learning and studying until he is qualified to make ijtihaad. And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.


    islamqa
    Al-Lu’lu’ al-Makeen min Fataawaa al-Shaykh ibn Jibreen
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    JazakumALLAH Qhaire for this knowladge..
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    salam alaikum

    thank you so much for the mail.
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    Salam alai kum bros & sis,

    Yes most of you agree that we are not fit enough to be giving fatwa’s but then again most of the people using this site are quick to give fatwa’s. Ok fair enough most of you might have some sound knowledge on Islam but still that doesn't give us the right to give a fatwa.

    I think this website should take a leaf out of Islamonline.net site and have a section called "Ask The Scholar", where people’s questions are only answered by a genuine and qualified scholar.

    Salam alai kum
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    :salam2:

    I agree with all here and mashallah thanxs for the alert!

    for instance, if a brother has a question regarding an issue then we can help them with the fatwa's on other website and make him understand which will also make others too but we dont have to be silent and say we leave everything to the sheikhs and mufti's. it is our duty to seek for the knowledge and share it to others but we have to be careful and share the right things that were taught by our beloved Prophet (s.a.w). Its true a small Aya can have alot of meaning and needs alot of ilm to translate to others but we should try our best to learn alot in islam and not to leave everything to our sheikhs!
    We have to be careful with what we say we should not say sumthing on our mind but to seek proof from the holy Quran and the sunnah of the prophet(s.a.w)

    Jazakallahu kheir!

    P.s = please correct me if am wrong as am human and am not perfect!!:astag: :tti_sister:
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    yeh we had a lesson on this i have posted sumfing simliar bout hadith but its a bit different

    salaamz
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    something I said?

    :salam2: :hijabi:
    I wonder if this post was initially discussed after reading my post "Unhappy Day". If so, I'd like to clarify that the article DID NOT expressly contain a fatwa,only verifiable facts.

    I have found after many, many years of being a Muslim, that we all (myself included) tend to reject information about Islam if it doesn't suit our personnal agenda.

    One example of this that we see often is when sisters make a statement like: "If my husband EVER married another woman-I'd divorce him." Surely we can all see how wrong this statement is. Just because an Islamic legislation is difficult, or inconvenient, or we simply don't like it, there is no excuse to reject it!:SMILY286:
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    I agree, and I couldn't have said it better Andalusian.. I would like to comment on 'fatwa is given under the consensus of U'lama". Not necessarily, Why ?? because an answer to a question regarding an Islamic verdict is a Fatwa.. Like the Arabic text in the middle of your writing says..ثم قد خصت الكلمة للاجابة عن سؤال شرعي..(then the word "fatwa" specifically has been used for answering an Islamic question or sheriah orientated question.....
    And for the layman he is actually required to follow the verdict or fatwa given to him by a Mufti..And if he follows a school of thought, he is required to follow the verdicts or fatwas given to him in that school of thought unless otherwise proven to him through correct authentic proof..:)
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    Salam alaykoum

    I think the big problem in our days, is that muslim stoped following the first message of islam: sourat al alaq verse 1

    :bismillah:
    اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ

    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
    Read in the name of your lord who created

    This message wasnt for the prophete :saw2: directly, Or he should have learn reading, but to all muslims. A message that ask muslims to read, to learn.
    And we are also a oumma ( nation ) of knowledge and logic. How many times in the koran, do we read ( Don't you think ? )
    People are asked to search, to understand theire religion. Your faith cannot be strong if you believe in something just cause someone said it. Your faith is strong cause you have a conviction that it's the truth. And the conviction comes with the knowledge and the logic.

    But then, when someone wants to give an opinion, it has to be with a proof.
    If its his own opinion, he takes the responsability of sharing it, but also he has to explain the ( why ). And even if he takes that from some known scholars he has to understand that fully. Even scholars do not agree for many subjects.
    About the hallal and haram. The prophet :saw2: said they are very known.
    Al haramou bayine wa al halalou bayine. Witch means i don't need a scholar to tell me that smoking is not allowed in islam. Cause i already know that everything that harms the body is haram.
    Also how can anyone know if he has a true or a false information if he doesnt share it? then people can reply telling him if they agree or not.
    And we are not a nation that symbolises people. We have great scholars, but that doesnt mean that they are perfect. Ive seen many contraditions between some scholars so witch one of them shall i follow?
    “Whoever was given a fatwaa with no proof, his sin will go back on the one who gave him the fatwaa.” (Saheeh; narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 2/321).
    This mean you can give it but with a proof. The proof must be a hadith or a verse from the coran. So anyone who can give a proof of what he says can share his opinions. If he is wrong people can correct him, and he will learn.

    Wa salam alayikoum wa rahmatou allah.
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    Using Bismillah

    Salam

    Anyone who tries to give fatwas on anything say bismillah and realize it's their own opinion, so not only should you warn people to give their own fatwas without strict proof, but you should teach them that sayin bismillah basically means allah approves of it.

    On the 2nd hand, I disagree that people should rely soley on muftis and grand sheikhs because even the greatest, most dedicated imams can easily attempt to put their 2 cents in and thats why im glad that, what's interpretation, is strictly interpretation and not quran. If you want to give fatwa, i believe it's ok but you have to use quran soley because not all hadeeths are strong so you can't really depend on them as much as you can the quran.

    Lastly, this is just my opinion stating here in this post, but I want to say that, i really really enjoy hearing Abhul Rahman al sudais's voice during taraweeh but then what's self-defeating is that he's been known to disgard non-muslims. He's banned from USA because of calling christians and jews cowards and pigs. So this is what i mean by not really depending on the imams that much because they will tend to put words out of context. Sometimes my friends ask me about what's halal and haram, and why, and i give the fatwas because i research first and the first thing that comes out of my mouth is, 'well, according to quran'.. so on and so forth, this is how it should be. Think before you talk, if not keep your mouth shut. Rabbana has unveiled this message in quran too, that it's best to keep quiet unless your certain it's true.
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    I hope my post finds you all in the best of health and Islamic spirits. That is so true hey? Everyone just comes up with what the think is correct and us here having doubts are then not sure what to do. Its crazy how people just come up with ideas and then post them and evryone is epected to believe it because its on T2I.

    I hope people understand the weight of their words first and then post things.

    Wasalaam.
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    asalamualaykum,

    Brother u jaust gave a Fatwa by telling us not to give a Fatwa
    (that was a joke:) )


    But i would like to say that i rarely see people giving Fatwa on this site as most peopl send link to a website ie Islamqa.com referring to a shaykh and not giving the Fatwa themselves.


    Most peopl say this is not a fatwa and the beginning of the post or they usually say this is my suggestion this automatically tells me this is not a fatwa but sumones own opinion.

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