Allahu_Hassbi
Junior Member
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah.
I don't wanna force anything on anyone, as Muslims our duty is to convey the message, not enforce it on the people. However one clarification that must be made, is that Logic is not used as a proof, rather the texts of the Qur'aan and Sunnah take precedence. How truthful Imam Ibn Al-`Izz, the student of Ibn Kathir, rahimahumallaah, was when he said that one of the reasons that people stray is due to their using their intellects before Qur'aan and Sunnah. Rather the correct way to understand matters is via the Qur'aan and Sunnah, using one's rationale after that to comprehend the matter.
Yaa akhee Faisal, this is not an attack on you I'm not into argumentation at all, but rather this is (inshaa' Allaah) sincere advise from a brother to a brother (and I hope it benefits us all). If one were to study the the history of fiqh and see what the different schools of thought used to derive proofs and rulings (ahkaam) from, logic is never mentioned as an independant source (a good book is The Evolution of Fiqh by A. A. Bilal Philips, published by IIPH). Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah wrote on the issue of logic to such an extent that W. B. Hallaq translated his work and described it as I believe, the biggest blow/attack on logic ever. It is titled 'Ibn Taymiyya against the Greek Logicians' and is published by Oxford University Press. Mind you I believe his focus was on the hardcore logic and not the more common points that are clearly acceptable.
To close I look to the advice of `Alee Ibn Abee Taalib, radiy-Allaahu `anhu you use to say, "If the deen was based on our intellects, then surely it would be more deserving to wipe the bottom of the khuffayn (pair of leather socks) than the tops." [See Shaykh Muqbil Al-Waadi`ee's treatise on praying in shoes published by www.troid.org, let me add that this is a widespread and authentic statement].
The intended meaning is pretty clear, that the Qur'aan and Sunnah favour logic. So even though it is more logical to wipe the bottom of the khuffayn, which are the sides that do gather dirt, the sunnah instructs us to wipe the top so we follow the sunnah and act upon the proof as oppose to what rationale dictates. This reiterates the point earlier that we undestand matters according to the Qur'aan and Sunnah and then use our rational to comprehend matters (if we are able to).
There is no need to, for example quote me in full and respond and defend on each point, since I'm not saying you deny these points at all. I just think it is befitting that you and all the others including me can benefit from this reminder. Also I'm not saying to totally regard rationale, logical thinking etc. I'm just saying that the Qur'aan, Sunnah and consensus of the `Ullema takes precedence.
Jazaak Allaahu khayran. I hope you understand why I'm writing this, may Allaah accept it as a deed frome me.
Allaah knows best.
Was-salaamu `alaykum
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Allahumma Ameen to your Dua'
I agree with you 100%