Dua: be specific?

[Abd_Al_Hadi]

People in Syria are being killed, raped, tortured and humiliated. Yet they still ask Allah for Help every day for almost two years. They're not asking for materialistic things. They're not even asking for BREAD, even though they're starving. They're just asking Allah to save them, but Allah has not yet saved them. What makes our request any more important?

 

[sultanb]

People in Syria are being killed, raped, tortured and humiliated. Yet they still ask Allah for Help every day for almost two years. They're not asking for materialistic things. They're not even asking for BREAD, even though they're starving. They're just asking Allah to save them, but Allah has not yet saved them. What makes our request any more important?

What should Muslims do about it brother? And how should it affect Muslims outside of Syria and their du'a since it is of no importance anymore, or less than those who are not in positions of peace or privileged?

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

I won't respond to your posts anymore. Sad, it says a lot about you. Here is a Muslim forum and you ignore the words of a sister who is simply suggesting that you jump into the pool and not stand at the side and mull about everything that could happen. Some people live life others don't. Why not be polite and just put me on the ignore list.

As for the support system..make it. Yes, you can look for a husband. Ask your friends to help you. Ask your friends husbands to marry you. After all that is sunna. The possibilities are very halaal and out there.

As for Syria...well that is the topic of another thread. What is in the hearts of the Syrian people as they killed in the month of Ramadan?


Back to dua. when we supplicate to Allah to send blessings upon the Prophet, swas, we know He does. So what gives with your lack of faith? I do not understand.

 

[Precious Star]

People in Syria are being killed, raped, tortured and humiliated. Yet they still ask Allah for Help every day for almost two years. They're not asking for materialistic things. They're not even asking for BREAD, even though they're starving. They're just asking Allah to save them, but Allah has not yet saved them. What makes our request any more important?

I don't think there is such a thing as a "hierarchy" of requests. Everyone's dua is meaningful to them in their particular context.

As for Syria...Allah has given us the means to help. I'm just as guilty as everyone else. There are strong, powerful muslim nations amongst us, Al-Hamdolillah. They can charge in and stop the violence. If the US can charge into Iraq, why can't we charge into Syria (I'm not suggesting that the invasion of Iraq was justified). Look at the wealth within the Saudi royal family? the gulf countries? Many of these countries have powerful armies. What is stopping them/us? We know that western nations will sit back and do nothing. The muslim countries have adopted the same attitude.

I'm saying that there is power in humanity and the answers to Syria's prayers are all around us. There is a fight between good and evil being played, and we (the ummah) have the power to allow good to prevail. If we make that choice, then Allah will help us.

Its like this. There were 2-yr old twin girls here in Canada that were severely beaten and starved by their parents. One was brain dead and put on life support untl the court ordered she be removed. The other is slowly recovering, although I don't know the extent of long-term damage. I heard through another muslim website that the family is muslim. Surely, people prayed for these little 2-year old girls, but they were in the hands of parents who chose to be vicious. Allah SWT allows the fight between evil and goodness to play out in this life. He gives us free will....and the parents chose to exercise that free will in a manner that harmed their daughters and ultimately killed one of them, and the extended family and community chose to exercise their free will by not intervening fast enough.

 

[uniqueskates]

Assalaamualaikum,

I have a doubt.. Are we fighting or discussing over here?
And why are we way off the topic? I hoped seeing the post that i would learn a dua or something..
If not in arabic, atleast in english.. But here its all messed..

And precious star sis - I have limited knowledge as compared to many out here.. Regarding, the question you posed..
Yes, we have to be specific in what we want, we have to keep asking again and again, we need to have patience..
I shall put it in simple equation for u..

Work[i.e ur efforts] + prayer and dua = u get what you desire for[ provided Allah(SWT) wishes and thinks its the best for you ]

You have to work towards what you want and make dua too.. And InshaAllah, if HE(SWT) has written it for you, thinks its best for you, indeed you will get it.. Else accept that it wasn't meant for you and Allah(SWT) would always want to give you the best..

And just a suggestion -Can you and Aapa get back to normal and talk properly? I really don't like fights in my family esp over petty issues..
Please Please Please!!!
Hoping a positive reply InshaAllah..

Peace

 

[Ahsen]

I would like this discussion to continue.

Even I struggle with this matter. That's why I want to understand this whole concept.I am not saying everything's good. Sometimes a desire is so desperate in a human that either he wants to get what he wants or somehow get rid of the desire. There's a story in urdu. In short "One fox was hungry.It wanted to eat some grapes hanging from a tree.So it troed to jump and jump but the grapes were too high for the fox to reach.So finally the fox gave up.The other foxes were watching this situation and asked her"What's wrong? Don't you want the grapes". So the fox replied "no.The grapes are sour".

I believe that's what happens to many people in this world. They are having a struggle between their desires and the results. They need directions. Something which can get them out of this struggle. The sheikhs and imams these days don't give enough directions. Maybe because they are following only one way. Most of them are limited to their masjids or "social circles" and don't even know what the rest of the people are going through.

 

[Abd_Al_Hadi]

Aaah you're a Canadian! That explains why you're so likeable

 

[kalamazoo]

People in Syria are being killed, raped, tortured and humiliated. Yet they still ask Allah for Help every day for almost two years. They're not asking for materialistic things. They're not even asking for BREAD, even though they're starving. They're just asking Allah to save them, but Allah has not yet saved them. What makes our request any more important?

(2:186) And if My servants ask you, O Prophet. concerning Me, tell them that I am quite near to them. I hear and answer the prayer of the suppliant, when he calls to Me. So let them respond to My call and believe in Me. Convey this to them, O Prophet; perhaps they may be guided aright.

 

[kalamazoo]

(8:53) This happened because Allah is not one to change the favour which He has bestowed upon a people until they have changed their attitude, Surely Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

 

[kalamazoo]

(9:115) It is not the way of Allah to let people go astray after He has given them guidance, until He makes plain to them all that they should avoid : surely Allah has the knowledge of everything.

 

[a_stranger]

اشد الناس بلاء:

*!فعن سعد بن أبي وقاص ـ رضي الله عنه ـ قال: قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، أَيُّ النَّاسِ أَشَدُّ بَلَاءً؟ قَالَ: "الْأَنْبِيَاءُ ثُمَّ الْأَمْثَلُ فَالْأَمْثَلُ، فَيُبْتَلَى الرَّجُلُ عَلَى حَسَبِ دِينِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَ دِينُهُ صُلْبًا اشْتَدَّ بَلَاؤُهُ، وَإِنْ كَانَ فِي دِينِهِ رِقَّةٌ ابْتُلِيَ عَلَى حَسَبِ دِينِهِ، فَمَا يَبْرَحُ الْبَلَاءُ بِالْعَبْدِ حَتَّى يَتْرُكَهُ يَمْشِي عَلَى الْأَرْضِ مَا عَلَيْهِ خَطِيئَةٌ" (رواه النسائي في الكبرى: 7481،*!


Translation
It was narrated that Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, may Allah be pleased with him:that he said: O Messenger of Allah, which people are most sorely tested? He said: "Prophets then optimal then optimized. Man is tested in accordance with his religion .if he was solid in his religion then intensified is his test. If there was weakness in his religion his test is in accordance with his religion . The*!plague continue till it makes man walks on earth with no sin.*!

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

We forget how the prophets and messengers were tested. They had the choice of having every rich of this world and they said no. They repeated that the only reward they wanted was to please Allah subhana wa taala. They had power. And they walked away.

We simple believers are tested. Some days it makes you think real deep. But, we are also given the last two ayats of Sura Baqarah to remind us that we have hope. Do not test me beyond my mere limits.

 

[a_stranger]

Wa alaikim alsalam wa rahmatu Allah wa barakatuh

(( But, we are also given the last two ayats of Sura Baqarah to remind us that we have hope. Do not test me beyond my mere limits.))

AAmen

 

[strive-may-i]

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Thank you for that beautiful reply, brother.

Am just repeating what I have heard from. That's what fellow humans are for, right!

I think it is a very fine line, asking for something where God has already shown you the signs that He will not provide. Because if you ignore those signs, then you are living in la-la land, expecting a miracle. But, then there is hadith that says, those who stop praying for something they previously prayed for because of the delay, means they lack patience.

Sometimes, it is better to just forget about it all and simply pray for "the best in this life and in the hereafter." But what is "the best in this life", really? If I am sick and I'm not getting better, is "the best in this life" = getting better, or, a quick death? (I'm not saying that that is my current problem, lol - it was just an example).

To give up all hope is worst thing. I have enough and more examples of people loosing sense, direction and purpose when they loose hope. Am sure even you are aware of it. So often it can happen to each of us.

A fine line? yes, but some parts of this line are not yet etched in stone! Right?
There are hard limits to the lines, the past influences these lines. For example often in childhood, one would hear classmates wish stuff. And, some would just say, I wish 'I was born in your house'! Thats absurd. If such a desire is strong in the persons mind, then it means not accepting the reality and working on it. Yes more the difference between 'Expectation and Reality', much more is the suffering/bad-emotion/bad-decision/unhappiness etc. It leads to a downward spiral.

And about whats best in life, accepting the reality and working to better it is best in life. As an example, few weeks before, met some childless couples, few willing, many unwilling to adopt a child and suffering the pains of false expectations.

I know a guy, a mate, though mid-20's who had a 'Mid-Life Crisis' phobia. And more often than not he would always return to what he feared most 'Mid-Life Crisis'.

After all these years, it makes it a lot easier to stop having specific expectations. At mid-life, death is closer than youth!

From your posts, I found you are doing better. As a women, you are entitled, and from it your expectations are drawn. For reasons, those expectations are not met in the way you would want it to. Sometimes you might vent it out. And your rants might invite others vents. But to win, we have to move beyond the fumes and blurring smoke of these vents and rants. A downward spiral does not do any good to the body or soul and impacts our Imaan.

May Allah give us enough strength and will to stay clear from the downward spiral... Ameen

 

[strive-may-i]

Brother Ahsen,

One word reply - 'Forgetting'

I would like this discussion to continue.

Even I struggle with this matter. That's why I want to understand this whole concept.I am not saying everything's good. Sometimes a desire is so desperate in a human that either he wants to get what he wants or somehow get rid of the desire. There's a story in urdu. In short "One fox was hungry.It wanted to eat some grapes hanging from a tree.So it troed to jump and jump but the grapes were too high for the fox to reach.So finally the fox gave up.The other foxes were watching this situation and asked her"What's wrong? Don't you want the grapes". So the fox replied "no.The grapes are sour".

I believe that's what happens to many people in this world. They are having a struggle between their desires and the results. They need directions. Something which can get them out of this struggle. The sheikhs and imams these days don't give enough directions. Maybe because they are following only one way. Most of them are limited to their masjids or "social circles" and don't even know what the rest of the people are going through.