Ehh quick question

Shamim56

Muslim Brother
Salamualakum brother's and sisters

My physics teacher was for some reason getting into the topic of God for some reason Idk im pretty sure hes agnostic or athiest or something and he told us to go find the anwser for this

(which is why i came here i have no clue lol)

So heres the notes he gave us

* God is capable of thought and reason.

* God is timeless

* God is not within space nor time, he is therefore timeless.
* It is also claimed that god is eternal (without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing). Eternity is not a property of time, therefore God is timeless (He cannot be a property of or within our universe, since it is finite)

* What is time? Time is basically a measurement of sequential relations. If we are to think of time as a movie, then the sequential relations are the relations that each frame of the movie has with each other. If there was no time, the whole movie would be one single frame, with no change whatsoever (immutable).
* What is consciousness? It's a state that requires one to be able to mentally adapt, to change and interact: All of these require time, as something completely immutable cannot change, adapt nor interact.

The implications of either conclusion is stark.
The latter conclusion is obvious, but let us imagine that god is not conscious:

* Imagine that you are looking at timelessness, what is "outside" our universe - God's territory.
* God cannot be seen because he is not physical (he is a nonphysical being, spirit or consciousness) and he can't be heard, touched, felt etc because of that reason.
* The only thing that makes God what he is, is his consciousness. Now imagine that his consciousness is completely immutable. If we are to use the analogy of the movie again, his consciousness would be a still frame picture, except that you can't see the photo because he isn't physical.
* Notice how God is synonymous with nothing?

So err, not really understand this im pretty sure he's challenging us to disprove this or something but he told us go find an anwser to this and we'l discuss next day i dont even think this is part of the class lol

Jazakallah khairan
 

Shamim56

Muslim Brother
Ok never mind called a friend he said hes pretty sure the challenge was like something to try to disprove god so i think you have to refute this im pretty sure

Jazakallah khairan
 

Shamim56

Muslim Brother
Assalamualakum

Thank you ayman for that great anwser. I told my teacher what you said and he said theres only one thing wrong with it and it's law of identity or something

Notes
*Law of identity states only A=A
*God will always remain God
*If God remains God it is going by the law of identity
*God is abide by our laws he created
*If you do not apply this law you cannot say God doesnt = God
 

Imad

Junior Member
Assalamoelaikoem warahatullahi wbarakatuh,

*Law of identity states only A=A

Human brains=Human brains= brains of Physics Teacher= incapable of understanding God

God=God=None is like Him

Wassalamoealaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh
 

mufakkir

Junior Member
Salaam 'Alaikum,

This should be right up my alley, as they say (I studied Phlisosophy!), but i really do not have the energy to engae with this properly. Suffice to say, your teacher's understanding of time as simply a measurement of sequential events is false. I would advise you to do some reading on time and its nature. Time simply as meausrement implies a human consruct, i.e. something we created for ease, but that is not the case. Most scientist agree that time is a 'real' phenomenon, but our understanding of it is based on sequential analysis of change and motion. Thus it brings time within the real of Allah's creation - in fact a well known hadith speaks of Allah has being the owner (creator) of time. If such is the case, Allah is naturally outside its limitations and therefore, 'timeless'.
Private message me for a more detailed explanantion, inshaAllah.

was salaam
 

~Naz~

Allahu Akbar
As i read this topic... it reminded me of an article i have which i would like to share. It's not exactly the same as your questions but its worth the read...perhaps you too can outsmart your Professor just like this student did!


An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and .....

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.

Prof:
Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?
Student does not answer.

Prof:
Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.

Prof:
So, who created them?
Student has no answer.

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof:
Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.



Student:
Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of
events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat,mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong ag ain, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?


(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where
the argument is going.)


Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
 
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