Serious False Accusations

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    Hello everyone, I am writing this message because I sent a message to one of the users on here warning about TV preachers who claim to know Islam or Christianity in both of these faiths, especially in America as they are very popular, lets be honest here, there a lot of people out there who do preach heresy that does not match the Qur'an or Bible, we all know that but people do not want to say anything. I got back a message with things I never even written and also I never even mentioned debating anyone. By the way, I am a Christian and not a Muslim and I have many muslim friends and it is sad when someone treats others this way.

    This is what I said first :

    Hope you are well and enjoy the conversations that are on here. I have read the entire Qur'an before and I study it regularly with the commentaries and scholarly material along with the bible and historical evidence. I don't rely on people such as Zakir Naik, Ahmad Deedat, Harun Yahya, Bilal Philips and many TV preachers because they are only there to be famous and think they represent what Islam is. They also have fooled many muslims and are full of deception. The same is on the Christian TV Channels who promote heresy and many pastors have spoken out against the dangers of mainstream preachers who collections in money and they write material for their own pleasure. When I speak to certain muslims and christians their views do not match the Bible or the Quran and they contradict what they say. I wouldn't mind your feedback on this Smile

    I got a reply back before I was blocked :

    Hey!
    Let me put in the simplest words so it easy for you to understand.
    You said you read holy qur,an but you dont know that christian are call nasrani? Lol man!
    Cat Steven now Brother Yusuf Islam read holy quran only once and he embrace islam! he get invitation to Jannah, Special isn't he?
    Let me put it this way, well, Even if you are struggling to find hidayah but if you are not the chosen one to received it from Allah swt you are still a kafir or non- believer , thats what Allah swt said in the qur'an.
    So one day, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w when he tried to reach the kafir with Islam and they throw stones at him ; And Allah swt send Surah Al kafiruun because of that incident.
    Translate :
    For you your religion,
    And Islam is minè .
    There is no god but Allah swt and prophet Muhammad is the messenger !
    So why we should border you with debate ,when Allah swt said hidayah is given to you from Allah , and to leave you as you are , thats what Allah said too.
    Why do debate and wasting our time on the non-believer when theres lots of thing to do in this world rather then try to convert you right?
    It kind of myob u know what u choose who cares. I rest my case cause i dont care too.
    Peace :


    Someone explain to me where did I say anything about debating, Cat Stevens etc..? people shouldn't add words that was not said.

    I read the Bible, Interpretation, Context, Manuscripts, Textual Criticism, Sharia, References, Footnotes, Catholicism, Trinity, Islam, Qur'an, Hadith, Tafsir, Fiqh, Biblical Creation, books from scholars, how the Bible and Qur'an was put together etc..

    The problem in Islamic and Christian communities is there are many who go against scripture towards unbelievers and I know who are false teachers and who isn't, thats why I warn people about them so they don't get sucked in to deception.

    I would like some feedback and would be nice so we can sort this out.
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    Dear Brother,

    Before I begin, let me first say I am also not an expert in Islam, Christianity or any other faith. I am still a student of knowledge. My opinions and assessment of the situation are my own and I do not claim to represent any particular strand of thought with specialist understanding.

    By that I mean although I am a Muslim, I am not a specialist scholar, a trainee religious jurist or someone with years of expertise under my belt, therefore when I express an opinion, state a belief or convey an idea they are my sentiments alone and not necessarily the official Islamic position.

    In relation to your question, it is possible the person in question was offended by one or more of your remarks. I suspect it may have been less about your analysis of famous debaters from different religions and more about your not being Muslim despite possessing a Qur'an and being familiar with it. His objection to your thread may relate to how it is possible you are still Non Muslim when you have read the Qur'an when so many others have read it and then become Muslim.

    Second, from what I can see of the quotation from the 'speaker' [if I can call him that] he is referring to are a range of things I hope I can break down for you sentence by sentence.

    You said you read holy qur,an but you dont know that christian are call nasrani? Lol man!

    He is saying you have read the Qur'an but in his opinion you have yet to understand that in Islam the term used to describe Christians is 'Nasrani'.

    Cat Steven now Brother Yusuf Islam read holy quran only once and he embrace islam! he get invitation to Jannah, Special isn't he?

    The singer now known as Yusuf Islam will be allowed entry to Paradise as a believer and that makes him special.

    Let me put it this way, well, Even if you are struggling to find hidayah but if you are not the chosen one to received it from Allah swt you are still a kafir or non- believer , thats what Allah swt said in the Qur'an.

    If you are sincere in searching for true guidance, God will show you the way. However, if it is not decreed for you to be guided you will remain astray and a Non Muslim.

    So one day, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w when he tried to reach the kafir with Islam and they throw stones at him ; And Allah swt send Surah Al kafiruun because of that incident.

    This refers to an incident where the Prophet Muhammad preached to some of the Non Muslims. When they rejected his message and then threw stones at him, a chapter of the Qur'an was revealed in relation to the event.

    Translate :
    For you your religion,
    And Islam is minè .
    There is no god but Allah swt and prophet Muhammad is the messenger !


    The above is not a word for word translation of that chapter, but a summary of its theme; meaning to us is our religion and to yours is your religion.

    So why we should border you with debate ,when Allah swt said hidayah is given to you from Allah , and to leave you as you are , thats what Allah said too.

    Why do debate and wasting our time on the non-believer when theres lots of thing to do in this world rather then try to convert you right?
    It kind of myob u know what u choose who cares. I rest my case cause i dont care too.
    Peace :

    I think what the speaker is saying is that debates are not from Islam. We are content with our religion and you can be content with yours. Allah (or God as you may call Him) gives guidance and it is for you to follow or to not follow. The choice is yours. We should not force you to accept our interpretation and understanding.
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    You said you read holy qur,an but you dont know that christian are call nasrani? Lol man!

    He is saying you have read the Qur'an but in his opinion you have yet to understand that in Islam the term used to describe Christians is 'Nasrani'.

    Cat Steven now Brother Yusuf Islam read holy quran only once and he embrace islam! he get invitation to Jannah, Special isn't he?

    The singer now known as Yusuf Islam will be allowed entry to Paradise as a believer and that makes him special.

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    I never mentioned any of these in my post and never said i didnt know who was Nasarini and I never even mentioned anything about Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), I don't care about famous singers.

    Words I never said was mentioned.

    So why we should border you with debate ,when Allah swt said hidayah is given to you from Allah , and to leave you as you are , thats what Allah said too.

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    I never said anything about a debate.



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    It seems the speaker was referring to his own interpretation of what he thought you inferred or meant. You do not have to mention any words for some people to think you are expressing one opinion or believe you are saying something. While you did not mention Nasrani either as a term or a designation, the speaker may be referring to the word itself or its connotations for something else. In relation to Cat Stevens, again the speaker may be referring to him because he believes you may know of him, not specifically because of anything he has done in particular. Last, while you did not mention debate perhaps the speaker wishes to raise the subject in some way as something you may want in future.
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    Hello again.

    If I may add you are correct in saying there are many Muslims and Christians who may claim to know Islam and Christianity and are full of deception. However, if I may also add it might be wise not to name them as there are likely to be many Muslims and Christians who admire some and have sensitive opinions about them. It is possible some of the speakers you mentioned struck a nerve chord as being among those people on the forum respect and like a lot. Being a Muslim forum you have to be careful in speaking about specific characters as well.

    If an individual you dislike is named by a Muslim in future, perhaps you can say something neutral or watered down that may not offend people who like them a lot.

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