Fundamental beliefs of Christians

Raihan

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Fundamental beliefs of Christians


1. Original Sin

As we all know many Christians believe in the doctrine of original sin, that all humans are born with sin, and that we are basically stained from birth. Much like some other Christian beliefs, the doctrine of original sin has no real basis within the Bible, and is merely an invention by the Church and Christians, much like the Trinity and divinity of Jesus Christ. Anyway, original sin cannot be existed in reality. Because it goes against logic, rationality and common sense. It's also an unethical belief. Humans are not born with sin! It's simply ridiculous. Original sin doesn’t even spare the new born babies as it teaches that ALL humans are born with sins, naturally this includes babies and children! Now, the fact is that Jesus himself never preached the doctrine of original sin. Even Bible itself speaks against this doctrine [Ezekiel 18:20; Matthew 18:1-4]! That's why Quran has rejected the unethical as well as irrational doctrine of original sin [Quran 17:15, 6:164, etc.]

2. Jesus (God?) died for your sins!

According to Christians, you are a born sinner and as such destined to hell! Therefore, God died for your sins! He loves you! Although it might convince some emotional or gullible people but this is the stupidest belief ever! God died for your sins!!! It seems like Christians have no more God! Anyway, this is probably one of the greatest lies for all times! To justify the irrational doctrine of original sin, Christian Church have invented this lie. But the fact is that Jesus didn’t die for anyone’s sin (we never asked him to commit suicide for us either)! Rather he was brutally crucified by his enemies (i.e. Jews, according to Christians) for his own sin! In fact, according to Bible, Jesus didn’t want to die at all! He was crying on the cross like a helpless man and begging his life to Eloi (Allah in Arabic):

"Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)

Allah saved him (Jesus) from humiliation:

“That they (Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah" - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.” (Quran 4:157)

3. Holy Trinity

Christian belief about Holy Trinity:

*Father is a God, Son is a God, and Holy Ghost is a God; but there are not three Gods, only one God! (Christians do not seem to know simple math, although they are expert in science and technology!)

*Father is an Almighty, Son is an Almighty, and Holy Ghost is an Almighty; but there are not three Almighty, only one Almighty! (Christians seem to be weak in logic and rationality. Because three Almighty cannot co-exist together unless they talk about some kind of weak and limited almighty!)

*Father is a Person, Son is a Person, and Holy Ghost is a Person; but there are not three Persons, only one Person! (Once again Christians do not seem to know simple math! Or, maybe, they have three gods in their heart but they feel shy to admit it in public because of the vitality and logical superiority of pure Monotheism! They simply lie or deceive themselves when they say they believe in one God!)

Now, firstly and most importantly, Jesus himself never taught the so-called Holy Trinity. Neither did Abraham, Moses, David et al. preaches anything like that. The word 'trinity' doesn't even exist in the entire Bible! Secondly, the so-called Holy Trinity cannot be existed in reality from logical and rational viewpoints. Because it doesn't make any sense at all as it's a logical impossibility. That's the reason Quran has rejected the doctrine of Trinity [Quran 4:171 and 5:73]. Because it has nothing to do with the true teaching of Jesus on one hand and it's also an absurdity on the other.

Islamic solution of Holy Trinity:

Father = God the Creator;
Son (Jesus) = Prophet of God [Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19];
Holy Ghost = Arch Angel Gabriel.

Does the Islamic solution sound logical and rational? Each and everybody are supposed to agree with this solution unless someone is deaf, dumb and blind!

4. Divinity of Jesus (i.e. God became man)

Many Christians believe that Jesus was fully God and fully human at the same time! Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus himself never claimed to be God (the Creator of the Universe)! It is Christians who have put him in the pedestal of God! Secondly, even if he claimed so, it's an absurd claim that defies all sorts of logic, rationality and common sense. A human cannot be the Creator of the Universe and a human at the same time - it's absolutely unbelievable! Even Bible says that God is not a human [Numbers 23:19]! Nor can God beget son! It's utterly ridiculous! It sounds like God had sex with Mary! In fact, Bible also gives this kind of impression! That's why Quran has rejected this kind of perverted belief that has nothing to do with the true teaching of Jesus [Quran 2:116, 19:35, 112:1-4, 5:75, etc.].

Now, if there is God, can He send His Message to human through higher level communication? The answer is absolutely yes. Is it believable? Why not? For example, the General Secretary of UN can send his message to a person through different media. Therefore, it's not unbelievable at all if a person claims to receive some message from God, and as such believing in messenger of God is a logical and rational belief.

Anyway, Bible itself proves that Jesus is not God. Rather he was a man [Acts 2:22] and a prophet [Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19]. That's exactly what the Quran says. So, Muslims are the true follower of Jesus! There are so many Biblical verses that prove that Jesus cannot be God [John 14:28, 10:29, 5:30, 14:24, 8:42, 20:17; Matthew 7:21, 12:28, 26:39, 4:1; Mark 10:18, 13:32, 12:29; Numbers 23:19; etc.].

So, it is seen that the fundamental beliefs of Christianity have no logical, rational and authentic basis at all. If this is the case, then where did the doctrines like original sin, trinity and Jesus' divinity come from? Well, the answer is simple. They were invented by Paul to destroy the true teaching of Jesus from within! In fact, Bible warns of many false prophets like Paul, David Koresh, Jim Jones etc. On the other hand, Quran preserves the true image and the true teaching of Jesus. Prophet Muhammad is, in fact, a natural successor of Prophet Jesus [John 16:7-9, John 16:12-13].

Considering all these irrational and blind doctrines of Christianity, Muslims do not wonder at all when they see educated, intelligent and rational minded Christians leaving Christianity and at the same time Churches are being emptied day by day!

PS: Majority of reverts to Islam come from Christian background. Because Quran is the only non-Christian scripture in the world where Jesus and Mary have been honored with very high regard [3:42, 5:46, Chapter 3, and Chapter 19 on Mary], good Christians have been praised with respect [3:113-115, 5:65-66, 5:82], and they also find logical answers of their questions about Christianity (ex: trinity, original sin, crucifixion and resurrection, Jesus' divinity, etc.).
 

jimcate

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RAIHAN

Dear Brother-the Noble Qu'ran tells us Jesus did not die on the cross but another man was made to look like him. Jesus ascended up to God in heaven and he will come back one day to destroy the antichrist. He will marry and have children and then he will die a natural death later:astag:
 

muslimahsara

muslamah HAMDOULILAH
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Thx brother now I have some clue to talk with christian and show them the true

Well done may Allah rewards you with al firdaws

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muslimahsara

muslamah HAMDOULILAH
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just a few question ??? How can we recongnize Jesus when he will return I mean we don't have a pic of him how can be sure it's him ? Will he live like us ? will it be the last days or days like now...

waoooo that's so unrealistic !!!! Imean Ibelieve he will return one day but...

jazikallah kheir for your replies

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Abu Sarah

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Assalam Alaykum , Sister in isalam,

Will he live like us

1st of All : Our beliefs concerning the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are those indicated by the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of our Messenger Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).


We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);

And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise”

[al-Nisa’ 4:156-158]

will it be the last days or days like now...

No sister the last days not like these days

Muslim (148) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until there is no one left on earth who says, ‘Allaah, Allaah.’”

The Hour will only come upon the worst of people

The saheeh Sunnah indicates that the Hour will only come upon the worst of people, when the name of Allaah is not mentioned on earth. That will be at the end of the time of this world, after the Dajjaal appears and is killed by ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) and Islam and its followers prevail, and sharee’ah is applied on earth.

Al-Bukhaari (2222) and Muslim (155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, soon the Son of Maryam (S) will descend among you as a just judge, he will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah, and wealth will become so abundant that no one will accept it.”

According to a version narrated by Muslim: “By Allaah, the son of Maryam will certainly come down as a just judge. He will break the cross and kill the pigs, and he will abolish the jizyah; the young she-camels will be left alone and no one will show any interest in them. Spite, mutual hatred and mutual envy will disappear, and when they are called (to be given) wealth, no one will accept it.”

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: What this means is that there will be no interest in wealth and there will be no desire to keep a lot of wealth; there will be few wishes and no want, and there will be the knowledge that the Resurrection is at hand. Young she-camels are mentioned because they are the noblest of camels and the most precious of wealth to the Arabs. This is the like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And when the pregnant she‑camels are neglected” [al-Takweer 81:4]. What is meant by the words “and no one will show any interest in them” is that they will not be taken care of and their owners will neglect them and not look after them. End quote.

This will be a stage of goodness, faith and prevalence of the Muslims. Then there will come another stage in which the numbers of believers will decrease, until Allaah sends a wind that will take their souls, then there will be no one left but the most evil of people, upon whom the Hour will come.

Muslim (148) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until there is no one left on earth who says, ‘Allaah, Allaah.’”

Ahmad (3844) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Among the most evil of mankind will be those on whom the Hour comes when they are still alive, and those who take graves as places of worship.” Classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad.

These stages are mentioned in detail in the hadeeth narrated by Muslim (2940) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: The Messenger of Allaah :saw:(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Dajjaal will appear among my ummah and he will stay for forty. Then Allaah will send ‘Eesa ibn Maryam, who looks like ‘Urwah ibn Mas’ood, and he will pursue him and kill him. Then the people will remain for seven years with no enmity between any two people. Then Allaah will send a cool wind from the direction of Syria and there will be no one left on the face of the earth in whose heart there is an atom’s weight of goodness or faith but it will cause him to die. Even if one of you were to enter the heart of a mountain, it would enter upon him and cause him to die.” He said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “There will be left the most evil of people who will be as careless as birds and be as cruel as wild animals. They will not acknowledge any good or denounce any evil. Then the Shaytaan will appear to them and will say: Will you not listen to me? They will say: What do you command us to do? He will command them to worship idols, but despite that they will have ample provision and a good life. Then the Trumpet will be blown.”

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary: … With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “There will be left the most evil of people who will be as careless as birds and be as cruel as wild animals” the scholars said: what is meant is that in their haste to do evil and fulfil their desires, they will be like birds, and in their enmity and wrongdoing towards one another they will be like wild animals.

Muslim narrated (2937) that al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal one day … then he mentioned the descent of the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam, who will descend to the white minaret in the east of Damascus, wearing two garments lightly perfumed with saffron, placing his hands on the wings of two angels… He will pursue him (i.e., the Dajjaal) until he catches him at the gate of Ludd (Lod), and kills him… Then he mentioned the emergence of Ya’joojand Ma’jooj, then it will be said to the earth: Bring forth your fruits and restore your blessing. … . Then whilst they are like that, Allaah will send a pleasant wind which will seize them beneath their armpits and will take the soul of every believer and every Muslim. The most evil of people will be left and they will fornicate like donkeys and upon them the Hour will come”

“They will fornicates like donkeys” means that men will have intercourse with women in the presence of other people, as donkeys do.




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How can we recongnize Jesus when he will return I mean we don't have a pic of him how can be sure it's him

The Messiah (may the blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him and all the other Prophets) will inevitably descend to earth, to the white minaret in the east of Damascus; he will kill the Dajjaal (“Antichrist”), break the cross and kill the pigs, as is proven in the saheeh ahaadeeth.

then the one who will kill Dajjaal (“Antichrist”), break the cross and kill the pigs he will be The Messiah.

Also these images claimed by Christians to Jesus Christ peace be upon him and his mother are not real pictures, but are purely false imagination, stretching out to corrupt religion, which is based on lying to God and his messengers.

The Christians claim that they saw the image of God in Christ Son of Mary, peace be upon him - the Almighty God great above what they say .

Adapted from Majmoo’ al-Fataawa by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him), (3/392)
 

mezeren

Junior Member
another opinion about the coming of Isa(a.s.)

http://www.islamandquran.org/fatwas/the-rescending-of-jesus-to-eart.html


İt’s mentioned that Jesus- Hz. İsa will turn back again ın the world before the End of the World. Will Jesus descend from the sky, or wıll hıs spırıt appear ınto any man ın the world?

According to the Holy Quran, Jesus/Isa is not alive. Allah has taken his soul.

The Glorified Allah commands:

“Allah commanded: O Isa, I am going to make you die-to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.” (Al-i İmran, 3/55)

“İsa says: I did not say to them anything else, but only what You ordered to me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord- I said. I was a witness/inspector of them so long as I was among them. But when You wanted me to die, You were the watcher over them. You are the Witness and Watcher of all things.” (Maide, 5/117)

İn another verse Allah informes us how He rescued Jesus from Jewish’s hand, when they had decided to crucify him.

“ Because they said: Surely we have killed, Isa son of Mariam, the apostle of Allah… However they did not kill him nor did they crucify him. But it appeared to them like Isa (who they crucified). Surely those who differ therein are in indecision about it. They have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (Nisa, 4/157-158)

According to the meaning of this verse, the majority of İslam’s scholars maintain that Jesus has not died. They believe that Allah, with His power has taken him over the skies, up to Himself, so Allah will rescend Jesus again to the earth, before the Day of Resurrection. But, in the verses below, Allah informes us in a irrevocable mode that Jesus has died. Moreever, the expression: “… cause you to ascend unto Me…” passes in the verse after the expression “…. I am going to make you die…”
as it is clarified in this verse Allah caused Jesus’death, when the time appointed for him finished and ascended his soul to Himself.

There are some hadiths too, that inform us about the rescend of Jesus to this world. One of them reports thus:

“ İ swear over Allah, who holds my soul in His mighty hand, that Mariam’son, Jesus, will descend among you as a just judge, will break the cross, will kill the pig, will abolish the jizyah (tax collected from non-muslims), and will accept nothing else but İslam. The goods will be so abundant that nobody will turn his head. However, a single prostration will be more precious than the world and everything within it.” (Buhari, Enbiya, 50; Muslim, İman, 71; Tirmizi, Fiten, 54.)

The analysis of this hadith and others similar to this demonstrates that the context of these words is that Jesus and Mehdi will descend to earth and will save the Muslims from their crisis and difficulties. Moreever, in another hadith passes this expression: “The way the cup is filled with water, that way will the world fill with peace. There will, also, be the oneness of the religion and noone will adore someone else, but Allah.” (İbn Mace, Fiten, 33).

İn a more careful analysis, it will be noticed that none of Jesus’ actions after his believed rescend to eart, such as the killing of the pig, the breaking of the cross, the abolishment of Jizyah or the converting of everybody to İslam, are mentioned in the Quran. Furthermore, no prophet has been given the responsibility of converting people to İslam by force. Their responsibility is only with preaching.

The Glorified Allah commands:

“Nothing is on the Prophet, but to preach/deliver (the Message)” (Maide5/99)

“There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become clearly distincted from error. Therefore, whoever disbelieves in the fierce and believes in Allah ,he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle. İt is impossible to be broken. Allah is Hearing, Knowing.” (Bakara 2/256)

A lot of İslamic scholars have concidered sufficient the fact that these hadiths had been included in Kutub-i Sitte (The most famous six hadith books)The authority of the authors of these books (Buhari, Muslim, Ebu Davud, Nesai, Tirmizi, İbn Mace) has caused a natural obstacle to any possible critic of these reports/rivayets.

Even though this kind of hadiths has a sahih senet/ true testimony, their text’ meaning is not conform the Quran. Because Allah Teala informs us in Quran that the prophets are bearers of god news and warners.

“You are not, but a warner.Surely We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of good news and a warner. There is a warner amoung every people.” (Fatr 35/23-24)


“İf they turn aside, We have not sent you as a watcher over them. On you is only to proclaim (the Message)”.(Shura 42/48)

“And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed. So, will you force men to believe?”(Yunus 10/99)

The metter of jesus’rescend has been concidered as a belief condition. Whereas the scholars that supposes so, are the same scholars that accepts that the belief conditions can not be appointed with a ahad haber.- a single information. The hadiths that informs about Jesus’ rescend are single informations-ahad haber.
As a conclusion, the muslims should give an end to their expectation: “İn any case Jesus will rescend and will save the world” and should work much better for İslam. Because Allah Teala commands:

“Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change their own condition.” (Rad 13/11)

“Know that man shall have nothing but what he works for” (Nejm 53/59)
 
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