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sarah88

New Member
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I need some advise backed up with evidence from the Quran and hadeeth please:

A sister i know is pregnent, the guy she commited zinna with says he wants to marry her but in 3 years time when he has established himself,he wants the sister to abort the baby.

Is this right?

she said she will do it but vows to leave him,but he had asked for a chance to prove himself and siad he will make repentence i do marry the sister in an halal way.

i do not no what to advise my friend?

is it right for her to abort the baby?

is it better they marry and put things right?

please please PLEASE PLEASE someone advise me

jazakallah khair.
 
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faithzilla

Had Left TTI
Dear SIster

I am not a scholar but as far as I know 2 wrongs can not make it right


"O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 60:12)"


that person has committed major sin why adding one more major sin by killing the baby.
 
dianek

dianek

Junior Member
Salaam sister! Islamically there are people say that abortion is permissible within first 3 months....then there are those who say it is haraam. From one sister to another and as a past professional sinner.....I can tell you that aborting a child will haunt her if she is not wishing to have one and is forced into it due to circumstances. It is a decision, though it was the best for me in the long run at the time, was the hardest to make. Each time I look at the 4 children I have now, I wonder what that one would have looked liked, etc. She should not allow him to make her do this. In addition, if he loves her, then he should marry her and make this right as soon as possible......I believe I have read that we should not throw children away because of our fear of not sustaining them. God will provide for them. And if the brother is not sincere in his affections for her, then she should force him out of her life raise the child herself with the help of her family....where is she from before I say that? It might not be wise to do in some countries with the whole Honour killing crap.....Maybe she should look into a safe harbor where she can receive prenatal care until the child is born away from her family and then place the child up for adoption???
 
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amjaddamen

brother
be wise

dianek said:
Salaam sister! Islamically there are people say that abortion is permissible within first 3 months....then there are those who say it is haraam. From one sister to another and as a past professional sinner.....I can tell you that aborting a child will haunt her if she is not wishing to have one and is forced into it due to circumstances. It is a decision, though it was the best for me in the long run at the time, was the hardest to make. Each time I look at the 4 children I have now, I wonder what that one would have looked liked, etc. She should not allow him to make her do this. In addition, if he loves her, then he should marry her and make this right as soon as possible......I believe I have read that we should not throw children away because of our fear of not sustaining them. God will provide for them. And if the brother is not sincere in his affections for her, then she should force him out of her life raise the child herself with the help of her family....where is she from before I say that? It might not be wise to do in some countries with the whole Honour killing crap.....Maybe she should look into a safe harbor where she can receive prenatal care until the child is born away from her family and then place the child up for adoption???
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what sister said is almost true , but who aprroved abortion they only consider two situations before the baby been life inside mother womb
1- if there is sure danger on mother health
2- if the baby is died inside mother.
but after the life of baby inside mother womb no abortion .
this opinion is taken by sqular fatwa.
according sister dianek ,i realy apreciate your been frank( past professional sinner) saying this and asure we have our share of sins and i wish allah bless you and the kids
 
gazkour

gazkour

Junior Member
Assalamo alikom wa rahmato Allah wa barakato

I really don't understand: I know that we were told that the 'spirit' comes to the fetus after some time(3 months or so), but does that give us the right to have an abortion?? Honestly I don't think so. Is there any evidence for us to believe this? I know there are 'opinions' , but opinions that's all what they are.

Anyway, talking about the guy who left this sister pregnant, I think is disgraceful to say that he wants to marry her in 3 years! If he really 'loves' her he would have no inconvenient to take her as his wife right now.

May Allah guide us all.

Assalamo alikom wa rahmato Allah wa barakato
 
Almeftah

Almeftah

Junior Member
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Scholars agreed that abortion is allowed ONLY when strongly suggested by some responsible specialist/physician, for the sake of the mother's health.

As for when a "spirit" comes to a fetus, There are 3 stages of fetus creation, each stage takes 40 days, so after a total of 120days, a fetus is to have a spirit.

A hadith related to the prophet peace and prayer be upon him says:

"The creation of each of you in his mother's abdomen assumes a 'nutfa' for forty days, then he becomes 'alaqa' for the same (duration), then a 'mudgha' (like chewn food) for the same, then God sends an angel to it with four instructions. The angel is ordered to write the Sustenance, life-span, deeds and Whether eventually his lot is happiness or misery, then to blow the Spirit into him. "(The two shiekhs after Ibn-Massoud)
 
Happy 2BA Muslim

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
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Abortion of a foetus resulting from a zina relationship​

Question:
Is it permissible for a woman who has committed immoral actions to abort the foetus?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The efforts and ijtihaad of the fuqaha’ have focused on abortion in general terms, and the rulings on that and the consequences that may follow. They have not gone into details concerning cases where the pregnancy results from immorality. This may be because they consider that to come under the same ruling as abortion of a pregnancy resulting from a proper marriage. If abortion of a pregnancy resulting from a proper marriage is haraam under normal circumstances, then it is even more so in cases where the pregnancy results from immorality, because permitting abortion of pregnancy which results from immorality would encourage evil actions and the spread of immorality. One of the basic principles of Islam is that it forbids immorality and all the ways that lead to it, e.g., it forbids tabarruj (wanton display of one’s charms) and free mixing (of men and women).

In addition, an innocent foetus which has committed no sin should not be sacrificed because of a sin committed by someone else. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“No one laden with burdens can bear another’s burden”

[al-Israa’ 17:15]

It is known that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent the Ghaamidi woman who was pregnant as a result of zinaa away until she gave birth, then after the birth he sent her away until she had breastfed the child and weaned him. She came back with the child who had a piece of bread. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave the child to one of the Muslims, then he gave orders that she should be placed in a hole up to her chest, and commanded the people to stone her. Imaam al-Nawawi said concerning this hadeeth:

“A pregnant woman should not be stoned until she gives birth, whether her pregnancy is the result of zina or otherwise. This is agreed upon, lest her foetus be killed. The same applies if her hadd punishment is flogging; a pregnant woman should not be flogged, according to consensus, until she has given birth.”

(Saheeh Muslim bi Sharh al-Nawawi, 11/202)

This incident shows us the extent to which Islam is concerned with the foetus, even if it is the result of zina: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed the carrying out of the hadd punishment on the mother in order to save the life of the foetus.

Can it be imagined that the Lawgiver would permit killing the foetuses by abortion in order to fulfil the wishes of those who follow their whims and desires?

Furthermore, those who say that abortion is permitted within the first forty days of a legitimate pregnancy based their ijtihaad on a concession, like not fasting in Ramadaan for those who have valid excuses, or shortening the four-rak’ah prayers whilst travelling, but it is stated in sharee’ah that concessions cannot be connected to sins.

Imaam al-Quraafi said: “With regard to sins, they cannot be taken as reasons for concessions. Hence one who is travelling for the purpose of sin cannot shorten his prayers or break his fast, because the reason for doing these is travelling, but in this case the reason for travelling is to commit sin, so the concession does not apply, because granting a concession on the basis of sin will encourage people to sin further.” (al-Furooq, 2/33)

Similarly, the basic principles of Islamic sharee’ah do not give the same concessions to a woman who is pregnant as a result of zinaa as are given to a woman who is pregnant as a result of proper marriage, lest that help her in her sin, and it does not make it easy for her to get rid of the results of her evil actions.

In addition, the foetus in the case of zinaa has no guardian, because according to sharee’ah the title of father can only be given to the one who has a child from a woman in a proper marriage. This is part of the meaning of the hadeeth:

“The child goes to the owner of the bed and the adulterer gets nothing but the stones (despair, i.e. to be stoned to death).”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim)

The guardian of the foetus in such cases is the sultan or ruler – the one who is in charge of the Muslims’ affairs – for he is the guardian of those who have no guardian. The way in which the ruler disposes of people’s affairs is based on the interests of the people, and there is no interest to be served in destroying the soul of the foetus in order to preserve the mother’s interests, because that would involve encouraging her and others to persist in this evil action.

It is permissible to resort to aborting the foetus of a woman who has committed this evil action but now wants to repent sincerely, and is very afraid. This is a major principle of sharee’ah, and is subject to the condition that this be done as early in the pregnancy as possible, and that this fatwa be given only in individual cases and not be treated as a general fatwa, lest this concession becomes a means of encouraging evil in the Muslim society. And Allaah knows best.

From Ahkaam al-Janeen fi’l-Fiqh al-Islami by ‘Umar ibn Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem Ghaanim

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