Come again! now you've confused me.
So if Umar ra ordered the search for the wall, and it was discovered,...I dont get it, are the Yajuj and Majuj people buried in under the wall or are they simply behind the wall? So once those people who did find the wall in asia, what did they do? This is seriously scary stuff, is there a pic of the wall?
Also, the reason why I go with the view that they are in some cold area under the ground is based upon a hadith where it states that Gog and Magog will every day dig the wall in order to escape, just when they see sun light peeking through, they get tired and leave the job till the following day, the next day they come back and find the wall transformed back to its former state and Im sure you know the rest of the hadith. So what I am saying is that they must be buried under the wall...mmmm I dont know, I just hope they dont come around while Im still around coz already there is a major draught in Australia, we dont want some scavengers drinking the remaining water.
Also, this Yajuj and Majuj people, are they like a huge nation or something? And are they the same people mentioned in Surah Kahf where Dhul-Qurnain visited and found them to be unintelligent, primitive people or are they something totally different?
And when you say Turkic do you mean Turkish? Coz Im a Turk myself and I hope Gog and Magog aren't related to me.
As-salaamu `alaykum sister,
According to the tafseer of the aayaat in Soorah Al-Kahf, Dhul-Qarnayn travelled west, till he reached the point where the sun sets (i.e. the extremely Eastern lands). Then after he went to the the place where the sin rises, meaning the extreme East. From here he went another way and found the tribes of Ya'juj and Ma'juj, inbetween two mountains and a valley. This is the point where he built a barrier between them and the people. The scholars have differed over the height and width of this barrier/wall and Allaah knows best. However, Ya'juj and Ma'juj are nations/tribes, not two individuals (although the tribes are the sons of Ya'juj and Ma'juj respectively). Refer to
www.tafsir.com for a translation of Tafseer Ibn Katheer, and search the relevant part of the soorah.
As for Turkic/Turkish, then consider the following... The original and early Turks lived in the Central Asian steppes, a land reffered to at one point, Turkestan. Modern-day Turkestan would correspond to, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Krghyzstan, Uzbekistan, and just East of the Pamir Mountains, a region now occupied by China called XinJiang. It is claimed that from here the Turkic tribes first settled/originated. It is said that the Turkic tribes are from Japeth or Yaafith Ibn Nuh, i.e. the son of Prophet Nuh, `alayhi salaam. Others have extended the claim to say that Ya'juj and Ma'juj where the sons of Yaafith, from whom the Turks originate from. Remember these are claims disputable claims, not facts. And Allaah knows best.
The Turkic people are very closely related to the Huns of China and Central Asia, as well as the Mongals. In fact they actually look very much like them. They lived in Central Asia as already mentioned, and it wasn't much later till they occupied modern day Turkey (especially places like Istanbul)!!! Even then, the Turks of Turkey look somewhat different compared to their ancestors and brothers who live further east to them... There is a Central Asian Turkish brother in my Uni who everyone thinks is a Japanese revert lol. Likewise I met a brother from Bukhara, the land of Imaam Al-Bukhaaree (present day Uzbekistan) in Makkah who sells Thobes near the Haram. Unless one has knowledge of the Turkish tribes, you would think he was Chinese. He was talking a more pure dialect of Turkish (there are too many different Turkic languages, all similar) then a brother from North Cyprus who was with me at the time. I was actually surprised that the two were communicating so well, I mean one was speaking a modern Turkic language from an extremely western land with a large population of Turks (Kuzey Kibris), whilst the other was speaking a Turkic dialect from pretty much the most eastern of lands (maybe he just new modern Turkish lol).
Anyway, I think that is enough information from me, all of which is arguable, but nevertheless somewhat correct. However before I do finish, take a look at this map I got from wikipedia, it shows the places where Turkic languages and people are present... Time to pop the bubble that Turks are from only Turkey and all that sick nationalism that comes with it (not referring to you)!
Also, check these links to see some Uyghr people, a Turkic tribe who reside in Xinjiang, China (unjustly, Xinjiang was never apart of China to begin with).
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2710799850064162889JpFYsl
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1496153113080721100nDwgOo
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1518837944080721100awsVqU
Hope it helps,
Was-salaam
