Is ethnic pride allowed in Islam ?

[truthseeker63]

Is ethnic pride allowed in Islam ? I am of White or European ethnic background I am proud to be of English blood from England. I am not a White Supremacist I don't believe or promote the idea of 100% racial purity but races do exist right ? I meet Black People who are proud of their ethnic group the samething with Arabs Pakistanis and or Asians why can't Europeans have ethnic pride ? Im not saying that I want America or Europe to deport Non White People but I believe all skin colors and races are welcome to live in whatever nation they want I just want to right to be proud of my background. I did find this thread.

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[hayat84]

I think that the pride is something that belongs to us.sometimes the pride to belong to a certain ethnicity and not to another one,it may cause a sense of egoysm that can become desire of superiority over another ethnicicty.
why in the past the "white"people judged badly the "black-skinned"ones?because of their pride.
I may say that I am proud to be muslima,
I don't know if it exists some hadith about this matter,but I hope that my opinion is not offensive

 

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum:

When you are a Muslim the only thing of which you may be proud of is that you are a chosen servant of Allah (SWT).

How can physical appearance be a parameter of superiority among Muslims?.

It is ONLY the degree of submission to Allah (SWT) and purity of soul by which a Muslim can overweigh the other Muslim. And only Allah (SWT) knows what is concealed within a soul.

Regards.

 

[elqouds2020]

السلام عليكم اخي الكريم الم تقرا قوله تعالى و جعلكم شعوبا و قبائل لتعرفوا ان اكرمكم عند الله اتقاكم .
علينا ان نعلم اطفالنا بان هناك تربية إسلامية تقول ما قاله رسول الله في هذا الحديث :

(( لا فرق بين عربي أو أعجمي إلا بالتقوى ))

 

[elqouds2020]

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Hello my brother Karim you not read the verse and made ​​you into nations and tribes to know that the sight of God.
We must teach our children that there are Islamic Education says what the Messenger of Allah in this talk:

((No difference between an Arab or foreigner except by piety

 

[elqouds2020]

I think that the pride is something that belongs to us.sometimes the pride to belong to a certain ethnicity and not to another one,it may cause a sense of egoysm that can become desire of superiority over another ethnicicty.
why in the past the "white"people judged badly the "black-skinned"ones?because of their pride.
I may say that I am proud to be muslima,
I don't know if it exists some hadith about this matter,but I hope that my opinion is not offensive

السلام عليكم نعم نفتخر ان نكون منتسبين الى الاسلام و هذا هو فخرنا و الحمد لله و لكن لا ننسى ان لغة القران هي لغة العربية التي نفهم بها معاني ما نزل في كتابي الله و واجب علينا تعلمها ان شاء الله

 

[elqouds2020]

I think that the pride is something that belongs to us.sometimes the pride to belong to a certain ethnicity and not to another one,it may cause a sense of egoysm that can become desire of superiority over another ethnicicty.
why in the past the "white"people judged badly the "black-skinned"ones?because of their pride.
I may say that I am proud to be muslima,
I don't know if it exists some hadith about this matter,but I hope that my opinion is not offensive

Hello Yes, we are proud to be affiliated to Islam and this is our honor and praise to God, but do not forget that the language of the Koran is the Arabic language we understand the meaning of what was revealed in my book God and the duty we have learned that God

 

[IslamIsSimple]

Everyone should be proud of himself, regardless of ethnicity anyway. When proud of ethnicity, it shouldnt be "as opposed to other ethnicities. The problem with what you describe, is that its very delicate and ends up usuaually eventually opens doors for other negative types of pride to kick in, and arrogance etc.

For instance, how would that "pride" be displayed and shown? and would it be healthy?

As for others doing it.. it doesnt make it right. Real pride would be in Islam and it should override any other type of pride.

If all the above is taken into consideration I dont see any problem with it, as long as lines arent crossed.

In the end as the hadeeth says, theres no difference in Islam between a non Arab and an Arab, (or white black etc) except in piety. Every people have virtues, shortcomings and so on, in different things, and this is why we complete eachother.

Theres also a hadeeth which I dont have the exact wording, but it states that among the things of ignorance (Jaahiliyyah) that my Ummah will not leave, is pride in geneology etc (meaning tribe vs other tribe, or people of known tribal roots vs others with no known roots). I think ethnicity is similar, only its on a different level.

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

Assalamu alaikum Brother,

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Every child is born upon a natural disposition.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

All people share a certain amount of knowledge regarding their relationships and dealings with others. They relate to each other in a purely natural and spontaneous way. Islam came to govern and refine this web of relationships, not to bar people from them. Islam does not seek to cut people off from each other. Indeed, the Qur’ân declares that cutting off one’s ties to others is a characteristic of people who are astray. It never declares it a mistake or a crime to uphold one’s ties with others.

Allah says: “Those who break Allah's Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 27]

The love that one feel’s for a relative, a spouse, or a friend – or for one’s country or people – constitute part of the general, natural loyalties that a person has. This does not contradict the loyalty in faith that Muslims have regarding their religion. The first generation of Muslims used to interact with others according to what was natural and with complete liberality. Their behavior was a far cry form the strictness that some people adopted in later generations, people whose norms of behavior were an admixture of misconceptions, a blend of extremes in both harshness and negligence.

The meaning of Islamic loyalty is a faith-based loyalty by feeling affection for the believers and closeness to them. It constitutes a sense of fraternity between them, a mutual attachment, and a willingness to help each other. Without this, there would be no meaning to the concept of a Muslim community. The Muslim community exists by virtue of the ties that bind the Muslim’s hearts together with a sense of common loyalty.

Allah says: “The believers are but brethren.”

He says: “This community of yours is a single community.”

He also says: “As to those who turn in loyalty to Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the party of Allah that must certainly triumph.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 56]

We should consider the ideas of support, mutual attachment, and loyalty in the conveyed by the following words of the Prophet (peace be upon him): “The believers, in their love and compassion for each other, are like a single body. When one part of the body is in pain, the whole body feels feverish and restless.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

The same meanings are conveyed where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The believers are to each other like a building where each part of the structure supports the other parts.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

This is the loyalty between the Muslims that is an essential aspect of Islamic monotheism. This loyalty is a spiritual meaning that exists in the heart, comprising love, mutual affection, and mercy. It is also a practical, vital meaning comprising support, assistance, and awareness.

The support that our loyalty requires from us is to assist our fellows in doing what is right and to prevent them from doing wrong.

This is made clear to us in the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Help your brother whether he is doing wrong or he has been wronged.”

His Companions asked: “We understand to help him when he is wronged, but how do we help him when he is the one doing wrong?”

The Prophet (peace be upon him) answered: “By stopping him from doing wrong.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (2264)]

This shows us that the bond of Islamic loyalty is founded upon religious belief. It is not a bigoted loyalty. It binds people together on the basis of principles that transcend the people themselves. Whenever a person goes against these principles, the greatest way to express loyalty is to prevent that person from wrongdoing. It is never right to support that person in committing injustice.

The “disavowal” that acts as a counterbalance to this loyalty means to be sincere in one’s devotion and commitment to the tenets of Islamic belief. It does not mean to break off one’s relationships with non-Muslims or to divest one’s heart of the natural love and affection that one feels towards them. The basic ruling for dealing with others who are at peace with us is to be good and kind.

This is stated decisively in the Qur’ân: “With regard to those who do not fight you on account of your faith nor drive you out of your homes, Allah does not restrain you from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you from turning in friendship to those who, on account of your faith, fight you and drive you out of your homes or supported others in driving you out. And whoever thereafter turns to them in loyalty, they are the ones who do wrong." [Sûrah al-Mumtahanah: 9-10]

We are told by Allah in these to show both kindness and justice to non-Muslims. Muslims are to be just and never wrong anyone. A difference in religious belief is not grounds to treat someone unjustly. Moreover, we are supposed to be kind and magnanimous.

What is essential when it comes to “disavowal” is that we do not specifically love or admire the non-Muslims for their religious beliefs. Preventing this is what the concept of disavowal is all about, since such love means to prefer another religion over Islam. This is inconceivable for a Muslims who is convinced of his faith and devoted to it.

Allah says: “You not find people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for (believing people), He has written faith upon their hearts and has strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah’s party. Lo! Is it not Allah's party who are successful?” [Sûrah al-Mujâdilah: 22]

This verse is speaking about those who fight against the Muslims, who oppose Allah and His Messenger, and who attack those who are faithful. This is how various commentators on this verse explain it, including al-Tabarî and Ibn `Atiyyah.

Every verse in the Qur’ân that prohibits the Muslims from showing allegiance to non-Muslims refers to those non-Muslims who are at war with the Muslims.

For instance: “O you who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do you give them your love even though they reject the truth which has come to you and drive out the Messenger, as well as yourselves, simply because you believe in Allah, your Lord?” [Sûrah al-Mumtahanah: 1]

We should note that this verse appears in the same chapter of the Qur’ân as: “…Allah does not restrain you from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just.”

Therefore, the hatred a Muslim is supposed to have is only for the incorrect beliefs of the unbelievers, and for the injustice and enmity that some of them meet out. The disavowal is for those who lead wars and engage in violence and bloodshed against innocent Muslims. Indeed, Muslims must disavow every act of oppression against people, everything that increases the might of wrongdoers and further dispossesses those who are weak. Islam came to protect the weak and oppressed, and to restrain those who perpetrate injustice.

As for loyalty of a relative degree between Muslims and non-Muslims, like the love a Muslim feels for a non-Muslim on account of the type of person that he is, or due to kinship, or friendship, or due to his kindness, this is part of the natural loyalty that people have for each other. Islam permits this and does not in any way seek to obstruct or prevent it. Indeed, Islam commands us to attend to our parents in kindness, even if they are idolaters. Islam permits marriage with Jewish and Christian women, even though Allah describes marriage by saying: “He has placed between you love and compassion.”

Allah also tells us: “You will not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He pleases.” [Sûrah al-Qasas: 56]

This verse was revealed regarding the Prophet’s uncle, Abû Tâlib. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) loved Abû Tâlib very much. This love that he felt was in no way unlawful, nor was it at odds with the concept of Islamic loyalty that Islam came with and which was firmly established in the hearts and minds of the Muslims.

Ibn `Abbâs said: “If Pharaoh were to say to me: ‘May Allah bless you’ I would say ‘And you too.’ because Islam manners teaches us to respond to a salutation with one that is equal to it. And the reward of exhibiting goodness is none other than goodness.” [al-Bukhârî, al-Adab al-Mufrid – with an authentic line of transmission]

We must consider another verse of the Qur’ân: “Ah! You are those who love them, but they love you not” [Sûrah Al `Imrân: 119]

This verse affirms that the Muslims had love for those non-Muslims. It only rebukes the Muslims for showing that love to people who did not return that love to them, but instead sought to bring upon them misfortune and humiliation. Love that is mutually felt and mutually given is not prohibited by Islam. Natural human relations are based upon goodwill, acceptance, and brotherhood. Islam came to affirm these values, which are conducive to spreading the message of Islam and by way of which the Muslims present a good example to others – rather than driving people away and cutting off any chance of conveying the message.

Let us turn our attention to the story of Abraham (peace be upon him) mentioned in verse 4 of Sûrah al-Mumtahanah:

There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: “We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone” – But not when Abraham said to his father: “I will pray for forgiveness for you, though I have no power (to get) aught on your behalf from Allah.” (They prayed): “Our Lord! in You we trust, and to You we turn in repentance: to You is (our) final goal.”

This verse depicts a clear case of mutual enmity, where it says: “and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you”. When Abraham (peace be upon him) first came to his idolatrous people, he did not do so with that animosity. Rather, he came to call them to Islam, to sincerity in the worship of Allah alone. However, when they declared him their enemy and turned on him in hatred, it was but natural and necessary for him to respond with feelings of enmity, to protect the sanctity and fortitude of his own beliefs.

As for Abraham (peace be upon him) praying for his father to be forgiven, we must know that Abraham did not disavow his father until after many months of his father exhibiting, with great ferocity, enmity to both him and his religion. In his perseverance in praying for his father to be forgiven, Abraham (peace be upon him) acted contrary to the normal pattern of interpersonal relationships, on account of his compassion and mercy.

Conducting ourselves with others in a spirit of clemency and natural propriety is to conduct ourselves according to the teachings of Islam, which upholds our natural loyalties to our people, our individual selves, and our countries, as well as our other natural relationships – while at the same time affirming our loyalty to our beliefs and the message of Islam. This loyalty to our faith is, in truth, complementary to our natural loyalties. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I was only sent to perfect good moral conduct.”

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Assalamu alaikum

 

[IslamIsSimple]

Also, ethnic pride has led to many problems in societies with regard to marriage and so on. Some have so much of it its not about ethnicity, but even tribal roots.

Some families from a tribe whos daughter married a non tribal guy after making a mistake in determining his roots. They'd make her divorce him even if they already have kids. Even though they are all Arab.

I know this isnt what you mean, but the point is, when you open the door and say its ok within certain limits.. the door is almost never closed, and limits arent cared for at all, and it just ends up making things worse.

 

[hayat84]

a pratical example is my children:they are half italian and half maroccan,but I only hope that they'll be proud of us...the remaining things are vanity.

 

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum:

Who is better a Nigerian (Negroid) fulfilling more duties towards Allah (SWT) or a Albanian (Caucasoid) careless about his duties towards Allah (SWT)?.

Regards.

 

[lostlilly07]

wa alaikum salaam

Pride is what stopped Ibeelis from prostrating to Adam. He thought he was better than Adam (Alahis Salaam)

But I do understand, I live in America where there is a lot of hidden racism and because I am a minority (in race and religion), I plan to teach my child(ren) about the beauty of being minority in hopes that he finds himself to be handsome and worthy. I have met other ppl within my same race who wished to be white because they felt the ppl of my race were not beautiful and that we did not make any accomplishments as a race. However, I will NOT put down or ignore the achievements of other races while teaching my son.

 

[um muhammad al-mahdi]

:salam2:

"... Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa... " [Surah Al-Hujraat: 13]

who cares where I'm from..

 

[strive-may-i]

:salam2:

Differences exist in everything - Forest/Desert, Hills/Plains, Solid Land/ Vast Ocean, Night/Day, Light Darkness, And we know that the differences benefit us immensely, because we humans use both to our advantage ...

Now similarly Knowledge/Ignorance, Short person/ tall person, men/women, Intelligent/Dumb, Able Bodied/ Handicapped, Good Looking/Ugly, believer/non-believer there are more . It exists just for testing and seeing how co-operative, united we are or how arrogant we end up becoming...

Pride in each of these can simply ruin the persons and the groups perspective and vision of this world...
There is very subtle point here. Pride in a difference, It sinks in quicker, brings in aloofness, a bad taste in tongue and with time the mind starts to seek more differentiation, dis-integration begins and co-operation ceases, aloofness shows up, arrogance fills the person stealing away humility, contempt prevails and injustice results. It peaks quickly and such a pride is a bane...

Self respect, satisfaction and sense of belonging is fine, But unreasonable Self Esteem, inflated state of ethnic superiority .. group-pride, it would destroy and more importantly it negatively impacts those who are at receiving end of such a group-pride...

 

[truthseeker63]

The only reason as to why I posted this is because I found out about a sect called the Nation of Islam lead by Louis Farrakhan they believe that all White People are the Devil. I am not proud of being White since it was not my choice to be born White

The only reason as to why I posted this is because I found out about a sect called the Nation of Islam lead by Louis Farrakhan they believe that all White People are the Devil. I am not proud of being White since it was not my choice to be born White. I have prayed with Muslims who are Black or African Americans I'll never had them say I could not be a Muslim because im White. I just want to make it clear that Im not a racist or anything like that I believe that our identity as humans should be based on what we believe our religions and what we believe happens after death rather then our race skin colors or nationalism.

Farrakhan Says White Race is Devil! (Obama/Wright)

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Louis Farrakhan declares that the white race is a race of devils. This is a central part of the theology of Farrakhan's Nation of Islam sect. They believe that the black race is God and that their founder, Fard Muhammad, is Allah in the flesh.

Obama's church has a similar racist doctrine that is actually derived largely from the theology of the Nation of Isam. Farrakhan publically announced that Obama is the Black Messiah, who in their theology will judge and destroy the white race.

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