Israel's Booming Religious Schools

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Israel's Booming Religious Schools




Many Israelis see yeshivas as promoting "ignorance" in Israeli society. (LA Times photo)
CAIRO — Religious schools, which only teaches the Torah and the Talmud while abandoning basic subjects such as science and math, are booming in Israel.

"I don't feel I'm missing anything here," Yossi Ravitz told the Los Angeles Times on Monday, August 18, at the spacious campus of the Hebron Yeshiva, one of Israel's most prominent religious academies.

About 90,000 Israelis study to master the Torah and the Talmud at ultra-Orthodox schools that shield them from secular teachings that might shake their faith.

Ravitz, 22, has never had a class in math, science, civics or English since he was a boy.

"They want to turn us into what they see as 'enlightened people of the world,' who will integrate into Israeli society," he said, referring to mounting calls for yeshivas to teach basic subjects required at all Israeli secondary schools.

"But we do not want to integrate into that society, because of its many temptations."

Last month, the Knesset adopted a bill guaranteeing yeshivas 60 percent of funding secular schools get from the national treasury.

It classifies yeshivas as "culturally unique" schools, exempt from the obligation to add on a basic secular curriculum.

"Blessed is he who performed this miracle for us!" said Eli Yishai, the ultra-Orthodox deputy prime minister, after helping engineer the bill's passage.

Tens of thousands of Ultra-Orthodox, known as Haredi Jews, spend a lifetime of religious study on the public dole.

Haredis make up 7 percent of Israel's population.

Ignorance

But many accuse yeshivas of promoting ignorance in society.

"What was fitting for the 18th century does not fit in the 21st," said Avshalom Vilan, a Knesset member from the leftist Meretz party.

"It is unacceptable that a high school graduate will enter the work force with fourth-grade math."

The mass-circulation Haaretz has denounced the Knesset law as legalizing "publicly funded ignorance".

"I had no social studies, no history, and certainly no English at the yeshiva," said Yossi David, who abandoned his haredi community when he was 18.

He has failed to qualify for specialized training in the army.

"I'm still catching up," said David, who has finished his freshman year as a sociology and communications major at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

"Almost every day I come across things that are general knowledge but new and alien to me," he noted.

"Ultra-Orthodox education is driven by a fear that people empowered by knowledge will leave the community.

"The leaders keep the people incapable, disadvantaged, dependent and poor in spirit and knowledge."
Source --> http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...50313521&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout


To get a glimpse of teachings of talmud please see the below thread
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39400&highlight=talmud
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Haredis make up 7 percent of Israel's population

Salaam,

Once again as I said before, the Talmud is not viewed as sacred scripture to Jews and an extremely small majority treat it with importance. We're talking seven percent of a small population of Jews. This is akin to showing Shias mutilate the skin and whip themselves on public streets and saying all Muslims think this way.

I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value. I think it is serving to try and paint all Jews as deviants and not as humans. They are al-Kitaab and if we are to enter into dialog with them, it should be as Muslims interested in spreading dawa and not nit picking a book that is not even scripture to them.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

ahmad al magtani

Kulo Nuwun
Assalamualaikum

Haredis make up 7 percent of Israel's population

Salaam,

Once again as I said before, the Talmud is not viewed as sacred scripture to Jews and an extremely small majority treat it with importance. We're talking seven percent of a small population of Jews. This is akin to showing Shias mutilate the skin and whip themselves on public streets and saying all Muslims think this way.

I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value. I think it is serving to try and paint all Jews as deviants and not as humans. They are al-Kitaab and if we are to enter into dialog with them, it should be as Muslims interested in spreading dawa and not nit picking a book that is not even scripture to them.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

Assalamualaikum,

100 % Agree,we should be carefully with generalization "All",in fact quran said that there was Ahlul kitab(kristian and jews) who believe in Allah and prophet Muhammad,they worship Allah at night and pay zakat although they were only minority.

if islam or muslim ordered to "eliminate" all jews,we can do that long and long time ago,why dont?because our purpose is to spread the truth,light and straight path.Dialog is always be the first...if they still dont believe....its OK.. there is no force to accept islam, as long as they not try to fighting us(killing us,exile us from our land we live,inhibited us doing our religion,),dialog is still can be open.

Learn the Quran completely(dont be like "Gert Wilder"(the incomplete learner)),and learn journey of prophet Muhammad s.a.w(Sirah Nabawiyah).:SMILY139:
 

Yusuf1990

al-Inglezi
As-salaamu'alaikm,

It seems to me that these people are scared that their children will grow up, get some knowledge, and then leave Judaism.
I can't understand how basic things like maths and science can't be taught :S maths is very important and they could teach science in a Jewish kind of theme couldn't they??

Ahwell, pretty cool how maths and science were both pioneered by Muslims :p alhamdulillah!

Salaam.
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Haredis make up 7 percent of Israel's population

Salaam,

Once again as I said before, the Talmud is not viewed as sacred scripture to Jews and an extremely small majority treat it with importance. We're talking seven percent of a small population of Jews. This is akin to showing Shias mutilate the skin and whip themselves on public streets and saying all Muslims think this way.

I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value. I think it is serving to try and paint all Jews as deviants and not as humans. They are al-Kitaab and if we are to enter into dialog with them, it should be as Muslims interested in spreading dawa and not nit picking a book that is not even scripture to them.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

:salam2: Sister,

No where does the post says that all Jews do it...

So how is it "akin to showing what Shias do and say all Muslims do it" ?


Can you please point where in the post it says:
"all Jews as deviants and not as humans."


Brothers and sisters I request you to please be fair when you criticize something...

:wasalam:
 

Shahzad

Junior Member
sister shyhijabi: the jews WERE "ehl-e-Kitaab". They dio shirk by calling Uzair(AS), the son of ALLAH. So they are no more "ehl-e-Kitaab".

"I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value."

No . It has been very very informative for 99.99% of us at TTI.

Interestingly, ppl there are yet claiming religious schools to be conservatives and ignorants. All they want is money money and money. Since, the jews have torn apart chiristianity by dividing it into many sects, their own religion is in danger.

As u sow, so shall u reap
 

Waseem203

Young Muslim
sister shyhijabi: the jews WERE "ehl-e-Kitaab". They dio shirk by calling Uzair(AS), the son of ALLAH. So they are no more "ehl-e-Kitaab".

"I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value."

No . It has been very very informative for 99.99% of us at TTI.

Interestingly, ppl there are yet claiming religious schools to be conservatives and ignorants. All they want is money money and money. Since, the jews have torn apart chiristianity by dividing it into many sects, their own religion is in danger.

As u sow, so shall u reap

What do you mean their no longer Ahul ktab? If they lost their status as that, why would the Quran still adress them as such. I agree with many of the other posters here --- this thread isn't imformative, positetivly. I don't see why Israel has been on the critiszim spot light just as much as Islam is, while were shining in the light why don't we all advocate Islam instead of critisize Judaism! :p
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Salaam,

Oh sigh, here we are mere days away from ramadaan and this is how we spend it? What a waste. My point was this, the Talmud is not a sacred text so I don't understand why you would spend so much time criticizing it when it does not have anything to do with the fundamental beliefs of Judiasm? Abubaseer, you have posted passages from the Talmud (copied and pasted off websites from an anti semetic no less) and said "This is what the Jews believe." Meanwhile you don't actually go to a Jew and ask if any of it is true. This is taking information fro a questionable source and declaring it's true with no secondary validation.

Shazad, No one in my family even knows the name of the person you brought up. There was a sect of Jews mentioned in the Quran who did that, does that mean all Jews belive that? No. And you have no right to say that Jews are no longer al-Kitaab, bring daleel before declaring that so positively. :astag:The Quraish tribe were very cruel to Rasool and the angels wanted to crush them between the mountains but they were spared. Does that mean that the angels still desire to kill the ancestors of the Quarish? No. So be careful before making such broad strokes. If you think this has informed 99.9% of TTI you are wrong, it has served to MISinform and possibly offend.

I find it humorous that people who don't interact with Jews and don't understand anything about thier core beliefs have such strong opinions about them. Meanwhile a person who was raised an orthodox Jew is telling you your info is flawed and you don't want to hear it. You just have this picture in your head of what a Jew believes and refuse to let something like mere facts deter you from your prejudices. Obviously I do not believe in Judaism or I would still be a Jew. If you want to know the true weaknesses in the religion then don't you think you should listen to someone who left the religion? The Torah is chock full of contradictions and errors so please...use THAT when building an argument against the beliefs and practices of Jews.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Since you have not replied I'm posting it again...

Haredis make up 7 percent of Israel's population

Salaam,

Once again as I said before, the Talmud is not viewed as sacred scripture to Jews and an extremely small majority treat it with importance. We're talking seven percent of a small population of Jews. This is akin to showing Shias mutilate the skin and whip themselves on public streets and saying all Muslims think this way.

I do not feel this thread has any informative or educational value. I think it is serving to try and paint all Jews as deviants and not as humans. They are al-Kitaab and if we are to enter into dialog with them, it should be as Muslims interested in spreading dawa and not nit picking a book that is not even scripture to them.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

:salam2: Sister,

No where does the post says that all Jews do it...

So how is it "akin to showing what Shias do and say all Muslims do it" ?


Can you please point where in the post it says:
"all Jews as deviants and not as humans."


Brothers and sisters I request you to please be fair when you criticize something...

Abubaseer, you have posted passages from the Talmud (copied and pasted off websites from an anti semetic no less) and said "This is what the Jews believe."

Please point me where I have said it ?


And just FYI, there is a thread about ramadaan too. Here is the link --> http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40583

:wasalam:
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
These type of threads are very annoying and only lead to arguments.
*sighs*
Come on let us not bicker amongst ourselves concerning something that has nothing to do with Islam.
Thank you for sharing the article. However I don't see any benefit we can derive from seeing brothers/sister get into an argument over a trivial issue.

These type of articles is very similar to the type of articles Kuffars write about Islam, they will report (and blow it out of proportion)
something that happened for example in a remote corner in the Muslim world and paint a very biased image of the Muslims, thus leading the reader (who is not familiar with Islamic teachings) to assume that's how Muslims are.

Let us not do to them what they do to us.

:wasalam:

p.s. My apologies, if I had offended you.
 

Ghareebah

Bint Abdulkadir
salam

wow ok...i guese there has been some misunderstanding from both side.. come on everyone lets not bicker
 
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