LoveForDeen wrote:
septithol,i ask out of curiosity,are you a muslim or somebody who's keen or learning islam...you seem to be hardworking...
Well, I like to think I am fairly hardworking compared to some people, who seem to have endless excuses for not coming into work, or who go to work, but then do little or no work when they get there. I probably COULD work harder, but when I put out 20 tons of newspapers in a night and my 'coworker' does nothing but sit and color, then I think I am working hard enough as it is.
But I do not make excuses for not coming in to work as many people do. I make SURE my alarm clock is working before I go to bed. Possibly there could be a blackout, but that is beyond my control. Other people constantly 'forget' to set their alarm clock.
As for music and other things I do, I take the philosophy of David Gerrold regarding that. In one of his books, the leader of an army unit gave a speech to the soldiers in the unit and told them that they were to:
"Have your fun AFTER your daily work is done. Not BEFORE. Not DURING. Not INSTEAD OF. Be responsible for your own behavior, and others will not have to be responsible for you."
At any rate, this business about other people having to suffer because some people cannot (or more likely, WILL not) be responsible for their own behavior, strikes me as both silly, and dangerous.
Silly, because if you extend that principal to everything, then you would have to require all people to wear diapers, since some severely retarded unfortunates are not potty trained, even as adults, and to lock everyone in jail as well, since some criminals cannot stop killing people, unless they are locked up.
Dangerous, because if you order your society on the basis of catering to either the innate or deliberate lack of responsibility and self control of some individuals, your society is now going to be run by and for those human beings who are mentally feeble, or criminals. Everything in your society will now be restricted to the limits of the worst people, rather than improving to the aspirations of the best people. And as these criminals decide to display more and more lack of responsibility and self control over more and more things, if one is going to cater to them, you are going to have to impose more and more restrictions on a society. And the criminals and irresponsible WILL display more and more lack of self control, until you stop tolerating it, just as a child will continue to throw tantrums, so long as it gets them what they want, rather than getting spanked, as they deserve.
Furthermore, the people in such a society will tend to degrade genetically, over time. An ability in a species, which is not exercised, or has no purpose, is eventually lost. This is why fish that dwell in caves eventually lose their eyes and birds that live on islands with no predators eventually lose the ability to fly (after a sufficient number of generations). This is basic evolution, learned in first year biology. Those who can't or won't learn or accept it, cannot become biologists, or any profession that requires a mastery of biology, such as medicine.
In this case, the sort of society you have organized is one in which self control and virtue have no real purpose. They have been replaced by a variety of restrictive crutches, to cater to those who are unable (or more likely, unwilling) to exercise any self-control or self responsibility. Under such a system, it is impossible to tell who actually has any intelligence or virtue, and who does not. And having intelligence and virtue would have no point, any more than having the ability to walk would have a point, if everyone were required to go about in motorized wheelchairs.
It's doubtful whether very many people would even develope any actual intelligence, responsibility, or virtue under such a system. One does not develope a muscle by taking away all opportunities to exercise it, or the benefits of developing it.
And in the long term, after enough generations, since women would be unable to distinguish between (indeed there would be no reason to distinguish between) the crippled and the sound, the feeble-minded and the intelligent, the criminal and the virtuous, the tendency would be for more and more people in such a society to be born crippled, feeble-minded, or innately criminal in nature. I do not regard this as a desirable outcome.
but I remained quite for some reason.
