migrating to kuffar countries

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shari

Brother
:salam2:

Well Mufti Shahib must be knowing better but i am not convinced because in many western countries one can freely practice Islam and their they will have advantage to giving Non-Muslims Dawa which is Fard in Islam.

But again this is my personal point of view. Mufti Shahib knows better.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
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assalamu alaykum,

Muslim should help their own communities and countries rather than put their time, effort and talent in helping other states.

It is one way to help with economic development of our countries some of which are at Third World level.

As for those already living in non-Muslim countries, it depends on how they are treated, what rights they have and their choice...... Some Ulema say they should make hijrah depending on circumstances, others say they can stay depending on how their life is there.

I will copy and paste the Fatwa from your link:

Question:
My question is about living and working in the west. I want to know is it permissible to work in the west where you will have to pay tax to the government, where the tax is spent on many things including their armies who are waging war with the Muslims. Dose this come under the ayat about helping the kuffar and being their awliya. Also can we live amongst the kuffar and if not where can we go as there is no Islamic state today?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible for a Muslim to settle in the kaafir lands for the sake of work, because work is not one of the Islamically-acceptable excuses which make it permissible to settle there.

The Islamically-acceptable excuses which make it permissible to stay in those lands are: medical treatment that is not available in a Muslim country, knowledge which the ummah needs and which is not available in their countries, permissible trade and calling people to Allaah. In all these cases it is permissible for a Muslim to stay in a kaafir land, on the condition that he be strong enough to resist specious arguments and whims and desires, and on the condition that he ends his stay when the reason for which he went to stay among them is no longer applicable.
The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:
Is it permissible to migrate to a kaafir land in order to work there?

They replied:
If you want to work and seek provision, then you should travel to a Muslim land for that purpose and not to a kaafir land, because of the danger to one’s ‘aqeedah, religious commitment and morals that is posed by travelling to a kaafir land. End quote.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal al-Shaykh, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd
Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/58).
The earth is spacious and the Muslim lands are vast, so the Muslim has no excuse for staying and settling among the kuffaar when he knows the saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which forbids that and everyone can clearly see the corruption of morals and religious commitment that is prevalent among them.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “O My slaves who believe! Certainly, spacious is My earth. Therefore worship Me” (Alone)” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:56]:
Here Allaah calls out to His believing slaves and confirms to them that His earth is spacious, and He enjoins them to worship Him alone to the exclusion of others.

What this means is that if they are in a land where they are not able to establish their religion, or where they are harmed by the kuffaar, then the earth of their Lord is spacious, so they should migrate to a part of it where they will be able to establish their religion and be safe from the harm of the kuffaar, as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Muslims did.

The meaning that is indicated by this verse also appears in other verses, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They reply: ‘We were weak and oppressed on the earth.’ They (angels) say: ‘Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?’”
[al-Nisa’ 4:97]
“and Allaah’s earth is spacious (so if you cannot worship Allaah at a place, then go to another)! Only those who are patient shall receive their reward in full, without reckoning”
[al-Zumar 39:10].
End quote. Adwa’ al-Bayaan (6/241).

The kuffaar are now putting pressure on the Muslims to make them give up the outward symbols of Islam, so that the Muslim is no longer be able to manifest those symbols openly, such as the adhaan or call to prayer and hijab of women, let alone showing loyalty and friendship to the Muslims and disavowal and enmity towards the kuffaar who are occupying and plundering their lands. Hence we do not think that the Muslim should live among them. The one who lives in those lands and pays taxes to them is playing a part in strengthening their economies and helping them to wage war against Islam and the Muslims, so he definitely comes under the heading of helping them in falsehood, sin, kufr and enmity, and these are among the most prominent ways of showing friendship and loyalty to the kaafirs.

But if a person is excused and has no choice but to stay there, then cases of necessity come under special rulings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity”
[al-An’aam 6:119].

Your comment that there is no Islamic state today is not correct.

Despite the evil and corruption that exists in many Muslim lands, there is undoubtedly less evil and corruption there than in kaafir lands.

And Allaah knows best.

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Salem9022

Junior Member
:salam2:

Well Mufti Shahib must be knowing better but i am not convinced because in many western countries one can freely practice Islam and their they will have advantage to giving Non-Muslims Dawa which is Fard in Islam.

But again this is my personal point of view. Mufti Shahib knows better.


Who is Mufti Sahib?? Also I know a Muslim is not allowed to migrate and make Hijrah to a Kaffir country, But Mabsoot what if they are refugees and from a war torn country and they need to get to a safe place from persecution and their lives because they are muslims is it permissible for them to Migrate to a Kaffir country? because I heard this was okay but I'm not sure if it's true
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
Assalamualikum

can anybody please name a country which follow Islam 100%

There isn't one im afraid, not 100%, nowhere, we haven't had that for looong time, but still, some places are better for muslims to live in than others, its easier to practice your deen in south asia or the Middle east for example, than it is in Europe or US.
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
As Salaam Alaykum,

I'm really frustated with this issue of Hijrah because there is no practical info available.

Islamic scholars are unanimous that Hijrah is atleast mustahab...

But, why there are is no practical guide/lecture/video/website/anything which
covers information on "Hijrah-able" Muslim countries like:

- Islamic benifits specific to that country.
- Wordly information like
Immigration rules of country etc.
Career opportunities available there so that we can choose to migrate to country where our current experience would be relevant. Or get education related to opporunties there.
- Cost of living, accomodation etc.

I'm really serious about it. Please Help!
 

Salem9022

Junior Member
As Salaam Alaykum,

I'm really frustated with this issue of Hijrah because there is no practical info available.

Islamic scholars are unanimous that Hijrah is atleast mustahab...

But, why there are is no practical guide/lecture/video/website/anything which
covers information on "Hijrah-able" Muslim countries like:

- Islamic benifits specific to that country.
- Wordly information like
Immigration rules of country etc.
Career opportunities available there so that we can choose to migrate to country where our current experience would be relevant. Or get education related to opporunties there.
- Cost of living, accomodation etc.

I'm really serious about it. Please Help!

All the scholars agree that Migrating to a Kaffir country unless you have a reason like Medical Reason, Refugees, or Aquiring Skills, is Haram. So I don't know why would you say that there is no Info about this. There are many "Hijrah-able" Muslim countries, One of course being the Country You came From abubasser. You are paying your taxes in a Kaffir country which in turn takes your tax money to kill and occupy muslim Lands, Now ask yourself, isn't it better for you to benifit a Muslim countries Economy then theirs who use the money to Kill muslims?
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
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All the scholars agree that Migrating to a Kaffir country unless you have a reason like Medical Reason, Refugees, or Aquiring Skills, is Haram. So I don't know why would you say that there is no Info about this. There are many "Hijrah-able" Muslim countries, One of course being the Country You came From abubasser. You are paying your taxes in a Kaffir country which in turn takes your tax money to kill and occupy muslim Lands, Now ask yourself, isn't it better for you to benifit a Muslim countries Economy then theirs who use the money to Kill muslims?

Akhi,

1. From which country I came from?

I never came from any country I'm still in the country where I was born, and my ancestors were born as far as we can remember (= several hundreds of years)

2. Why there is no info

I said there is no practical info about them, I have listed the points below.
It is not like one day you wake-up and decide to change the country just like you change your clothes. It needs some planning preparation and lot of thinking.
 

IslamIsLight

Islam is my life
Staff member
assalamu alaykum,

Muslim should help their own communities and countries rather than put their time, effort and talent in helping other states.

It is one way to help with economic development of our countries some of which are at Third World level.

As for those already living in non-Muslim countries, it depends on how they are treated, what rights they have and their choice...... Some Ulema say they should make hijrah depending on circumstances, others say they can stay depending on how their life is there.

I will copy and paste the Fatwa from your link:

Question:
My question is about living and working in the west. I want to know is it permissible to work in the west where you will have to pay tax to the government, where the tax is spent on many things including their armies who are waging war with the Muslims. Dose this come under the ayat about helping the kuffar and being their awliya. Also can we live amongst the kuffar and if not where can we go as there is no Islamic state today?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible for a Muslim to settle in the kaafir lands for the sake of work, because work is not one of the Islamically-acceptable excuses which make it permissible to settle there.

The Islamically-acceptable excuses which make it permissible to stay in those lands are: medical treatment that is not available in a Muslim country, knowledge which the ummah needs and which is not available in their countries, permissible trade and calling people to Allaah. In all these cases it is permissible for a Muslim to stay in a kaafir land, on the condition that he be strong enough to resist specious arguments and whims and desires, and on the condition that he ends his stay when the reason for which he went to stay among them is no longer applicable.
The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:
Is it permissible to migrate to a kaafir land in order to work there?

They replied:
If you want to work and seek provision, then you should travel to a Muslim land for that purpose and not to a kaafir land, because of the danger to one’s ‘aqeedah, religious commitment and morals that is posed by travelling to a kaafir land. End quote.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal al-Shaykh, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd
Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/58).
The earth is spacious and the Muslim lands are vast, so the Muslim has no excuse for staying and settling among the kuffaar when he knows the saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which forbids that and everyone can clearly see the corruption of morals and religious commitment that is prevalent among them.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “O My slaves who believe! Certainly, spacious is My earth. Therefore worship Me” (Alone)” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:56]:
Here Allaah calls out to His believing slaves and confirms to them that His earth is spacious, and He enjoins them to worship Him alone to the exclusion of others.

What this means is that if they are in a land where they are not able to establish their religion, or where they are harmed by the kuffaar, then the earth of their Lord is spacious, so they should migrate to a part of it where they will be able to establish their religion and be safe from the harm of the kuffaar, as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Muslims did.

The meaning that is indicated by this verse also appears in other verses, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They reply: ‘We were weak and oppressed on the earth.’ They (angels) say: ‘Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?’”
[al-Nisa’ 4:97]
“and Allaah’s earth is spacious (so if you cannot worship Allaah at a place, then go to another)! Only those who are patient shall receive their reward in full, without reckoning”
[al-Zumar 39:10].
End quote. Adwa’ al-Bayaan (6/241).

The kuffaar are now putting pressure on the Muslims to make them give up the outward symbols of Islam, so that the Muslim is no longer be able to manifest those symbols openly, such as the adhaan or call to prayer and hijab of women, let alone showing loyalty and friendship to the Muslims and disavowal and enmity towards the kuffaar who are occupying and plundering their lands. Hence we do not think that the Muslim should live among them. The one who lives in those lands and pays taxes to them is playing a part in strengthening their economies and helping them to wage war against Islam and the Muslims, so he definitely comes under the heading of helping them in falsehood, sin, kufr and enmity, and these are among the most prominent ways of showing friendship and loyalty to the kaafirs.

But if a person is excused and has no choice but to stay there, then cases of necessity come under special rulings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity”
[al-An’aam 6:119].

Your comment that there is no Islamic state today is not correct.

Despite the evil and corruption that exists in many Muslim lands, there is undoubtedly less evil and corruption there than in kaafir lands.

And Allaah knows best.

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salam aleikum
Jazakallah khair
I think it explains everything

waaleikum salam
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
Wa Alaykum As Salaam Sister,

This is why this issue always frustates me. I ask for some pratical info. and people keep on copy-pasting same fatawas which I already agree with.

I guess I'm not able to convey it properly.
Here I go again...
I want to make hijrah, can anyone kindly send some info. about where should I go?
 

massi

Junior Member
Akhi,

1. From which country I came from?

I never came from any country I'm still in the country where I was born, and my ancestors were born as far as we can remember (= several hundreds of years)

2. Why there is no info

I said there is no practical info about them, I have listed the points below.
It is not like one day you wake-up and decide to change the country just like you change your clothes. It needs some planning preparation and lot of thinking.
you are right my brother leave your residence to a better Muslim country it's not easily as to say the fatwa ....but we should every day think about leave
the no Muslim country to a muslim country untill we succed inch'Allaah
 

Islam!!yay

Junior Member
Basically there is no a muslim country out there .

Its nice being around muslims and practicing Islam in a muslim country . But being Under the influence of the corrupted muslim government ( Which every muslim country has ) is what muslims are trying to escape .

To my opinion the most corrupted muslim country is where Islam was born . That country is Saudia Arabia . And people are fleeing to leave that country bec of its gov . But also in the same time theyre sad to leave Makkah and medinah so far away behind .
 

MUHAMM7D

Muslim
Assalamualikum

can anybody please name a country which follow Islam 100%

:salam2:

I'm am quite sure that Somalia is 100% muslims, it always has been alhamdulillah. However there are some somali people out side somali that are not muslims even tho they were all born muslims.

:wasalam:
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Basically there is no a muslim country out there .

Its nice being around muslims and practicing Islam in a muslim country . But being Under the influence of the corrupted muslim government ( Which every muslim country has ) is what muslims are trying to escape .

To my opinion the most corrupted muslim country is where Islam was born . That country is Saudia Arabia . And people are fleeing to leave that country bec of its gov . But also in the same time theyre sad to leave Makkah and medinah so far away behind .

As-salaamu `alaykum

Akhi I don't see a thread of truth in what you claim. Just because of some so-called corruption exists, that does not make a place a non-islamic abode... If the adhaan is heard in a place, the ruler of the place being a Muslim, then that is (with other conditions) enough for something to be considered an islamic land. What your coming with is totally contrary to the shari`ah.

People flee countries due to its governments, this is known in many places... People flee Pakistan due to crazy politics and Somalia due to war etc. However the majority I have met who have "fled" from Saudi Arabia are party-ravers and heavy drinkers. In fact they have only rushed to the Shaytaan. Had they any sense they would have known that Saudi was far better for them, as oppose to the not-so-great, Great Britain.

As for your claim that Saudi Arabia is the most corrupt country, then it is the only Muslim land where the shahaadah is held high and the call to shirk is demolished. So yes, like every other country it has its problems, but all praise is to Allaah, at least the government fights shirk, the greatest sin that mankind has ever committed. The country is still producing many of todays great Islamic scholars.

We have countries like Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia yet others besides Allaah are worshipped freely in them. And I'm not talking about the Kuffaar present in such countries, such as the hindus and christians, I'm talking about people who claim to be from Ahl us-Sunnah!

Before talking about any matter, it is obligatory to have knowledge of it, and not express our opinions at the absence of such knowledge. Hence I advise people to refer to what the scholars have said about the subject of hijrah, tawheed and what determines an abode of Islaam and an Abode of Kufr...

To give you a start I refer you to these threads,

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5346

And lastly, I hope that reading this book will also help understand the matter of abodes i.e. Muslim and non-Muslim abodes.
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Wa Alaykum As Salaam Sister,

This is why this issue always frustates me. I ask for some pratical info. and people keep on copy-pasting same fatawas which I already agree with.

I guess I'm not able to convey it properly.
Here I go again...
I want to make hijrah, can anyone kindly send some info. about where should I go?

As-salaamu `alaykum.

Don't get frustrated... I don't think many people here (on these forums) have made hijrah. Go to hijra.net, the forum is dedicated to helping and assisting in making hijrah, studying abroad, working abroad etc...
 
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